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Post by Siskoid on Jan 30, 2013 0:23:18 GMT
Being a master list of extracanonical material featuring the 4th Doctor in need of RPG conversion for the WhoRPG Extracanonical Sourcebook Projectdwaitas.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=xtrauni&action=display&thread=2073Book draft at drive.google.com/file/d/0B4RRnRNaDS5wSXphcUZ3OWFVN28/view?usp=sharing[Sk - Siskoid, MH - MisterHarry, das - dastari, PB -Polar Bear, kol - koloth, tw - taikowolf, ol - olegrand], CM - Catsmate MISSING ADVENTURES (NOVELS)Evolution - Rudyard Kipling, Arthur Conan Doyle, Rutan Healing Salve [all MH], Dr. Percival Ross [CM] The Romance of Crime - Location/Rock of Judgement [MH], Menlove Stokes [MH], The Nisbett Brothers [MH], Xais [MH] System Shock - Voracians [MH] Managra - Managra, Dangerous Byron, Europa [all MH] The English Way of Death - Zodaal [MH], Gadget/Sonic Stimulator [MH], Percy Closed [MH] The Shadow of Weng-Chiang - Hsien-Ko Chang, Location/Shanghai 1937 [all MH] A Device of Death - MICA, Deepcity, The Adelphine Cluster, Max, The Jand [all MH] The Well-Mannered War - The Darkness [MH], Location/Barclow [MH], General Jafrid [MH], Location/Metralubit [MH] Harry Sullivan's War - The Van Gogh Society [MH] PAST DOCTOR ADVENTURES (NOVELS)Eye of Heaven - Location/Easter Island [MH] Last Man Running - Location: Lentic Training Planets [MH] Millennium Shock - Gadget/Melsham's Gas [MH], Gadget/Voractyll [MH] Corpse Marker - Kaldor [MH], Carnell [MH], Kiy Uvanov [MH], SASV1 [MH] Tomb of Valdemar - Location/Ashkellia, future Romana [all MH] Heart of TARDIS - Collectors [MH] Festival of Death - The Repulsion, Arboretans, Location/The G-Lock, Gadget/The Beautiful Death [all MH] Asylum - Roger Bacon [MH], Location/Oxford 1278 [MH], future Nyssa [kol] Psi-ence Fiction - Josh Randall, The Kellerfield Research Foundation (probably for the Villains section, rather than a Location) [all MH] Drift - Living Ice, Melody Quartararo and Parker Theroux, Gadget: The Stormcore [all MH] Wolfsbane - Emmeline Neuberger (with a sidebar on werewolves in Doctor Who), Lady Hester Stanton, Gadget/The Holy Grail [all MH] Match of the Day - Lady Hakai, Location: Sumana [MH] TELOS NOVELLASGhost Ship - Location/RMS Queen Mary [MH], Gadget/Time Visualiser prototype [MH] EBOOKS[Puffin] The Roots of Evil - Location/The Heligan Structure [MH] [Time Trip] The Death Pit - Sandmasters [MH] [Time Trip] The Drosten's Curse - Bryony Mailer, Putta Pattershaun 5, The Bah-Sokhar, Psy Fluid [all MH] FOURTH DOCTOR "AUDIOBOOKS"Hornets' Nest I-V - Fenella Wibbsey [MH], Hornets [MH], Mike Yates and Captain [MH] Demon Quest I-V - The Demon, Sepulchre [MH], Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec [MH] Serpent Crest I-V/Survivors in Space - Second Doctor clone [MH], Skishtari [MH], gadget/Skishtari Egg [MH], Robotovs [MH] NEW FOURTH DOCTOR ADVENTURES (AUDIOS)Destination: Nerva - Lord Jack Corrigan, Location: Nerva Space Dock, the DrelleranThe Renaissance Man - Harcourt and Jephson, Location/Morovanian Museum [all MH] The Wrath of the Iceni - Boudica [Sk] Energy of the Daleks - GlobeSphere Corporation [MH] Trail of the White Worm - Col. Hugh Spindleton, White Worm [MH] The Oseidon Adventure - Location/Oseidon [MH] Night of the Stormcrow - Stormcrow[MH] The Auntie Matter - Reginald Bassett, Zenobia Brabazon, Etheric Field Disturbance Detector [all MH] The Sands of Life - The Conglomerate (W/Cuthbert) [MH] War Against the Laan - The Laan MH] The Justice of Jalxar - Jago & Litefoot [Sk/ol], The Pugilist and The Justician [PB] Phantoms of the Deep - Location/The Mariana Trench [MH] The Dalek Contract - Location/Proxima Major [MH] The Final Phase - Gadget/Quantum Gateway (as part of Proxima Major) [MH] The King of Sontar - General Strang, Location/Dowca [MH] The White Ghosts - White Ghosts, Vampire Mutations [MH] The Crooked Man - The Crooked Man [MH] The Evil One - The Salonu [MH] Last of the Colophon - Nurse Torvik, Colophos, Astaroth Morax [MH] Destroy the Infinite - Delafoss [MH] The Abandoned - Lady Marianna and Location: The Point of Stillness [both MH] Zygon Hunt - Solar Knights, Location: Garros [both MH] The Exxilons - Location/Planet E9874 [MH] The Darkness of Glass - Shadow Demons [MH] Requiem for the Rocket Men - Location: The Asteroid (with stats for Shandar, King of the Rocket Men!) [MH] Death Match - Location: Quarry Station [MH] Suburban Hell - Monocerans (with a Sidebar on Temporal Ruckage) [MH] The Cloisters of Terror - St Matilda’s College, Oxford; Three Sisters of SMC [MH] The Fate of Krelos - Location/Krelos [MH] Return to Telos - Geralk [MH] [AudioGo] Babblesphere - Hephastos [Sk] [Short Trips audio] The Ghost Trap - The Hihmakk [MH] COMPANION CHRONICLES (AUDIOS)The Beautiful People - Dame Karna, Location: Vita Novus Health Spa (including the Burnoids) [both MH] The Catalyst - The Z'Nai, Lord Joshua Douglas, Leela (the older, post-Time War Leela from the framing stories of Nigel Fairs' trilogy) [all MH] Empathy Games - Location/ Synchronis (Sidebar: Empathy Games) [MH] The Stealers from Saiph - The Saiph [MH] The Pyralis Effect - The Pyralis, CAIN [MH] The Time Vampire - Time Vampires (inc Gadget stats for Temporal Suspension Cage) [MH] The Invasion of E-Space - Farrian, Location/Ballustra [MH] Ferril's Folly - Lady Millicent Ferril, The Cronquist [both MH] Tales from the Vault - Gadget/The painting [Sk] The Child - Location/The Map of Life (and Glass Woman), Emily [MH] Luna Romana - Landau Romana [MH], Quadrigger Stoyn [MH] THE LOST STORIES (AUDIOS)The Foe from the Future - Charlotte from the Village, The Pantophagen/Lord Jalnik, Location/The Pantophagen Alternative [Sk] The Valley of Death - Lurons, Location: The Valley of Death [both MH] PHILIP HINCHCLIFFE PRESENTS (AUDIOS)The Ghosts of Gralstead - House Gralstead and all concepts [PB] The Devil's Armada - The Vituperon [PB] OPTIONAL: COMICS, SHORT STORIES, MISC.Comic strips: Strip companion Sharon Davies [MH] should be included (a great site that discusses the Doctor Who comics: www.alteredvistas.co.uk/html/fourth_doctor_part_one.html ) - Dr Ivan Asimoff [MH], Beep the Meep [MH], The Wrarth Warriors [MH], Shazar [MH], The Iron Legion [MH], The Malevilus [MH], Werelox [MH] Decalog (The Duke of Dominoes, Scarab of Death) - DoD/Gadget/The Godhead [MH], SoD/Location/Beta Osiris [MH] Decalog 2 (Crimson Dawn, People of the Trees) Decalog 3 (UNITed We Fall, Timevault) Short Trips (Old Flames, Glass, Rights) - OF/Weretigers, Captain Edwin Turner [MH] More Short Trips (One Bad Apple, Return of the Spiders) Short Trips and Side Steps (Special Occasions: 1. The Not-So-Sinister Sponge, The Android Maker of Calderon IV, Special Occasions: 2. Do You Love Anyone Enough?, Special Occasions: 3. Better Watch Out, Better Take Care, Special Occasions: 4. Playing with Toys) Big Finish's Short Trips stories - 21/ Oliver Day [MH], 17/The Jalaphron [MH], 21/The Puppeteer [MH], The Hihmakk (The Ghost Trap) [MH] Material from the Doctor Who Annuals - 1980/Black Knight & White Knight [MH], 1976/Neuronic Space [MH], 1979/Shem [MH] The Pescatons (1976 LP) - Pescatons [MH] The Scientific Secrets of Doctor Who (The Lost Generation) - Prosperity [MH] Omitted but not Forgotten [Sk] - Vira, Giant clam, Coordinator Engin, Toos, D84, Poul, Tong members, Professor Marius, Dr. Fendelman, Thea Ransome, Kelner, Binro, Lexa, Varsh, Kellman, Professor Sorenson, Guy Crayford, Castellan Spandrell, Martha Tyler, The Shadow's Mutes, Ivo, KalmarOff-Off Canon - Seven Keys to Doomsday [MH] Star Trek crossover: Kirk and crew [Sk] Did I forget anything? What concepts should be pulled from these? Anything you personally want to try your hand at?
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Post by misterharry on Jan 30, 2013 9:25:59 GMT
Stuff I've already written which could be used in this volume:
Sharon, the companion from the early Doctor Who Weekly comic-strips Dr Ivan Asimoff, also from the comics, first appeared in Doctor Who and the Free-Fall Warriors Beep the Meep, from the DWW strip Doctor Who and the Star Beast The Wrarth Warriors, from the same story Mrs Wibbsey, from the Nest Cottage audios, first appeared in the Hornets' Nest series The Pescatons, from the LP of the same name Voracians, first appeared in the novel System Shock Chelonians, from The Well-Mannered War - though they might be more suitable for the 7th Doctor's volume covering the Virgin New Adventures, as that's where they first appeared
I'm conscious that I seem to be getting "first dibs" on these lists. So if anybody else really wants to do anything I've put myself forward for, I'll happily step aside and pick alternatives.
[By the way, Survivors in Space is the final story in the Serpent's Crest series, rather than something separate.]
EDIT: I can also offer a location write-up for the planet Kaldor, which is greatly expanded on in the novel Corpse Marker.
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Post by chickenpaddy on Jan 30, 2013 19:23:03 GMT
Did you want to through in the "Doctor Who: the Forgotten" graphic novel? It contains some interesting information on all the Doctors up to ten.
Another source pertaining more to the fourth Doctor would be the recent Shada novelization by Garreth Roberts using Douglas Adams's old notes from the script. He adds a lot of things to hook the classic and new series together. A good read and something I definitely recommend checking out.
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Post by Siskoid on Jan 30, 2013 19:43:55 GMT
The Forgotten is included under the "comics" umbrella. And yeah, we can count Shada.
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Post by misterharry on Jan 31, 2013 16:29:45 GMT
If we're including Shada, I also have a write-up for the Krargs, which I based on info from the novelisation.
Actually the planet Shada would make a good location to include, if it's not covered in the official Sourcebooks.
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Post by Elden on Mar 23, 2013 13:58:16 GMT
Just noticed your list of audios missing "Night of the Stormcrow" which was released as a main range subscriber special but follows/features Four and Leela following their first audio season.
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Post by Siskoid on Apr 4, 2013 17:22:11 GMT
Updated list with suggestions for all media.
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Post by dastari on May 28, 2013 20:51:39 GMT
I would like to lay claim to A Device of Death and Shadows of Weng-Chiang because they're awesome.
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Post by dastari on Jun 5, 2013 18:40:04 GMT
Since the precedent with the Time Museum is to include a companion entry that harkens strongly to a particular Doctor's era, then would we cover Harry Sullivan's War here?
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Post by Siskoid on Jun 5, 2013 19:00:34 GMT
I think so, yes.
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Post by misterharry on Aug 12, 2013 10:24:23 GMT
Heart of TARDIS - The Jarakebeth (or something not already in Second Doctor sourcebook) I'm currently writing up the Jarakabeth for the 2nd Doctor sourcebook. But how about the Collectors (or the Big Huge and Educational Collection of Old Galactic Stuff) for this one? They appear in a sequence that's specific to the 4th Doctor and Romana and is tangential to the main story.
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Post by Catsmate on Jul 3, 2014 13:18:34 GMT
A couple of suggestions for Omitted but not Forgotten. From Revenge of the Cybermen; the traitorous Kellman and the Chief Guardian Vorus, and perhaps Chief Councillor Tyrum, Commander Stevenson and Crewman Lester.
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Post by scarecrowsmainfan on Jul 25, 2014 8:46:20 GMT
Items to boost the Fourth Doctor Codex/Sourcebook
BOOKS: Wonderland (Now this is a very strange book (rather, a Telos Novella) that gives us an American take on Doctor Who. It features both the Second and Fourth Doctor, though the former is somewhat marginalized by the narrative style). As the Second Doctor Extra-Cannonical Sourcebook has already passed, perhaps this should be featured here)
AUDIOS: Aladdin Time Babblesphere The Broken Crown Chain Reaction (Audio Short Story) The Child The Circus of Doom The Dead Shoes Death Dealer (Audio Short Story) The Demon of Paris Doctor Who and the Pescatons Exploration Earth The Hexford Invasion Hive of Horror The Old Rogue (Audio Short Story) The Relics of Time Sepulchre A Shard of Ice Starfall A Sting in the Tale The Stuff of Nightmares Survivors in Space Tsar Wars The Wonderous Box
-Fourth Doctor Adventures:
The Abandoned The Crooked Man The Dalek Contract / The Final Phase Destroy the Infinite The Evil One The King of Sontar Last of the Colophon Phantoms of the Deep White Ghosts
Luna Romana (Companion Chronicles; It is unique in being the ONLY example of a Multi-Romana story)
The Kingmaker (features both The Fifth and Fourth Doctor (oddly enough not played by Tom Baker, but rather Jon Culshaw known in the UK for his impersonation of Tom)
COMICS:
-TV Comics Annuals:
Woden's Warriors The Sky Warrior The Tansbury Experiment Jackals of Space The Sea Devil
-Doctor Who Yearbook:
Under Pressure The Naked Flame Rest and Re-Creation Star Beast II Junkyard Demon II
-TV Comic
Death Flower Return of the Daleks The Wreckers The Emperor's Spy The Sinister Sea The Space Ghost The Dalek Revenge Virus Treasure Trail Hubert's Folly Counter-Rotation Mind Snatch The Hoaxers The Mutant Strain Double Trouble Dredger The False Planet The Fire Feeders Ling Dynasty The Orb The Mutants The Devil's Mouth The Aqua-City The Snow Devils The Space Garden The Eerie Manor Guardian of the Tomb The Image Makers
-Doctor Who Magazine:
Doctor Who and the Iron Legion City of the Damned Timeslip Doctor Who and the Star Beast Doctor Who and the Dogs of Doom Doctor Who and the Time Witch Dragon's Claw The Collector Dreamer of Death The Life Bringer War of the Words Spider-God The Deal End of the Line Doctor Who and The Free-Fall Warriors Junkyard Demon The Neutron Knights Time & Time Again
Victims Black Destiny Doctor Who and the Fangs of Time
-Doctor Who Magazine Specials:
The Seventh Segment
*His segment in the Forgotten
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Post by misterharry on Jul 25, 2014 10:22:11 GMT
Items to boost the Fourth Doctor Codex/Sourcebook BOOKS: Wonderland (Now this is a very strange book (rather, a Telos Novella) that gives us an American take on Doctor Who. It features both the Second and Fourth Doctor, though the former is somewhat marginalized by the narrative style). As the Second Doctor Extra-Cannonical Sourcebook has already passed, perhaps this should be featured here) Wonderland has already been covered by the 2nd Doctor sourcebook. Besides the 4th Doctor only makes a cameo appearance in it. The 4th Doctor only features as a pre-recorded message, so this one will be in the 5th Doctor sourcebook.
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Post by scarecrowsmainfan on Jul 25, 2014 10:45:20 GMT
Oops! That's what I get for only scanning them before adding them to the list. Though in my defense, they are listed among his books/ audios on the TARDIS wikia.
Still, the other audios are alright yes?
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Post by misterharry on Jul 25, 2014 11:02:32 GMT
Still, the other audios are alright yes? The main audios certainly (the Companion Chronicles, Fourth Doctor Adventures and the Pescatons). The short audios maybe, depending on what they can offer. And with the Nest Cottage audios, I'm not sure if we're covering each episode individually, or just each of the three series as a whole. The one I'm least certain of is Exploration Earth, as it was a half-hour educational radio programme with the flimsiest of stories. There's the main villain of course, but he's pretty two-dimensional and has minimal background to base a write-up on.
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Post by Polar Bear on Oct 11, 2014 14:32:17 GMT
Just noticed your list of audios missing "Night of the Stormcrow" which was released as a main range subscriber special but follows/features Four and Leela following their first audio season. I just listened to this yesterday, and I wonder if the Cubicle 7 supplement "The Ravens of Despair" can be made to tie in with this audio adventure. They seem connected, to my brain. Just a thought, for whoever takes it on.
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Post by dastari on Dec 14, 2014 21:47:03 GMT
I'll be nowhere near through with the Tom Baker stuff by the time that we get to it. Right now I've listened to all of the Fourth Doctor Adventures, Companion Chronicles, and special CD's featuring Leela and I'm slogging through the Nest Cottage material. I still haven't listened to any of the Fourth Doctor Adventures or Companion Chronicles with Romana.
I see that Wrath of the Iceni is taken. As long as it's ok with everyone, I'd like to try my hand at:
The Foe from the Future Energy of the Daleks Night of the Stormcrow The King of Sontar The Crooked Man Last of the Colophon Empathy Games
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Post by misterharry on Dec 15, 2014 9:08:49 GMT
Ooh, are we starting to plan for the 4th Doctor volume? I have to own up that I’ve already been working on some stuff for this one – mainly short stories and other more “peripheral” sources, but including a few novels and audios (nothing you’ve said you want to cover, Dastari, so be my guest with those!):
COMICS: TV Comic – Shazar Doctor Who Weekly – Sharon Davies (inc sidebar on comic-strip moving from Polystyle to Marvel), the Iron Legion, the Malevilus, Beep the Meep, Wrarth Warriors, Werelox Doctor Who Monthly – Dr Ivan Asimoff (inc sidebar on Zyglots)
ANNUALS (all comic-strips this time around): 1976 Annual (“Neuronic Nightmare”) – Location: Neuronic Space 1979 Annual (“The Power”) – Location: Shem 1980 Annual (“The Weapon”) – The Black Knight and White Knight
SHORT STORIES: BBC Short Trips (“Old Flames”) - Weretigers BF Short Trips 17 (“Checkpoint”) – The Jalaphron BF Short Trips 21 (“Attachments”, “Plight of the Monkrah” & “Puppeteer”) – Oliver Day (a new companion!) BF Short Trips 21 (“Puppeteer”) – The Puppeteer
NEST COTTAGE AUDIOS: Hornets’ Nest – Fenella Wibbsey (inc sidebar on Nest Cottage), Mike Yates and Captain, the Hornets Demon Quest – The Demon, Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec, Location: Sepulchre Serpent Crest – The Robotovs, the Skishtari, Gadget: Skishtari Egg, the 2nd Doctor
NOVELS: Heart of TARDIS – The Collectors System Shock – Voracians, Gadget: Voractyll Millennium Shock – Gadget: Melsham’s Gas Corpse Marker – Location: Kaldor, SASV1, Kiy Uvanov, Carnell Harry Sullivan’s War – The Van Gogh Society
OTHER: Doctor Who and the Pescatons (1976 LP) - Pescatons Off-Off Canon: Seven Keys to Doomsday (stage play) – general piece, including stats for the alternative 4th Doctor, Jenny Wilson, Jimmy Forbes, Clawrantulars and the Master of Karn
There are a couple more stories I’ll probably add to this list, but haven’t got around to yet (including the Puffin e-short The Root of Evil, and the novellas The Death Pit and Ghost Ship). After that, I’ll likely start looking at some of the novels.
As I suggested upthread, I’m not intending to cover the Chelonians (from The Well-Mannered War) for this book, even though I’ve got a write-up for them already. I suggest leaving them for the 7th Doctor volume, as they’re more traditionally a 7th Doctor foe.
Also, as Shada has been included in C7’s 4th Doctor Sourcebook, there doesn’t seem much point in covering it in this one too, despite my previous suggestion. The novelisation doesn’t really add enough in the way of new info to make the duplication worthwhile.
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Post by Siskoid on Dec 15, 2014 17:39:58 GMT
Yes, Shada is all taken care of in the official release (we didn't know when we originated the list), but I feel like there's something to be done with it come the 8th Doctor book.
But great work!
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Post by Polar Bear on Dec 21, 2014 17:08:55 GMT
If someone clicks my signature and looks at the Lone Wolves and Dynamic Duos document, you'll see I've already given my best guess to the Pugilist and Justician (from 4DA s2, "Justice of Jalxar"). You're free to copy them, if they're useful to you.
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Post by koloth on Dec 21, 2014 21:07:44 GMT
Hello, In the novel Asylym the 4th Doctor travels with a future Nyssa. Will you be covering any such concept of prior knowledge may be as an ability or knowledge? I am also mindful of the Watcher actually saving Nyssa in Logopolis to allow this to happen. Not sure it was intentional by the author but an interesting take nonetheless.
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Post by Siskoid on Dec 21, 2014 22:03:50 GMT
Thanks Polar Bear, would you mind sending me a PM with your real name so that you're properly credited?
Koloth: That could be interesting!
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Post by Polar Bear on Dec 22, 2014 0:00:21 GMT
Siskoid, done, and I just realized ... this write-up is pretty Pulp Fantastic-specific. Two points towards Animal Handling, the Weird Tech good trait, Adversary, Dark Secret, Good Samaritan, Weakness, Natural Weapon ... there are all kinds of Traits here that aren't even in DWAiTaS. This may prevent these two sets of stats from being useable in your compilation.
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Post by Siskoid on Dec 22, 2014 0:59:04 GMT
We're can probably reverse engineer them, no worries.
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Post by misterharry on Dec 22, 2014 8:42:59 GMT
Hello, In the novel Asylym the 4th Doctor travels with a future Nyssa. Will you be covering any such concept of prior knowledge may be as an ability or knowledge? I am also mindful of the Watcher actually saving Nyssa in Logopolis to allow this to happen. Not sure it was intentional by the author but an interesting take nonetheless. Fancy having a go at writing something up for this yourself? We're always looking for new contributors. There's a similar situation with Charley Pollard in the 6th Doctor audios (and, briefly, Liv Chenka in the Dark Eyes series), which can also be included. And, of course, River Song.
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Post by jennysfan on Dec 22, 2014 9:10:19 GMT
...I have none of these.
I might pick up some audios in the new year. Can't promise any help.
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Post by Polar Bear on Dec 26, 2014 13:31:43 GMT
We're can probably reverse engineer them, no worries. So do you write these using straight DWAITAS Traits, or do you liberally steal Traits from Primeval and Rocket Age? Or do you sometimes find yourselves having to create completely new Traits?
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Post by misterharry on Dec 26, 2014 13:50:32 GMT
Speaking for myself, it's a mixture of all three methods, whatever is needed. I'll always default to using DWAITAS traits if they exist, but also draw on Primeval and Rocket Age if they have useful options. Pulp Fantastic, not being an official Cubicle 7 game, comes in fourth. But I frequently have to create new traits which don't exist in any of the four sets of rules.
In the case of your stats for the Pugilist, for example, I'd remove the Animal Handling skill as it doesn't appear in DWAITAS, and probably also replsce Pulp Fantastic's Weird Tech trait with Future Tech, its equivalent from Primeval. But Boon Companion and Good Samaritan would probably be kept (though conceivably the latter could be covered by a Code of Conduct).
By comparison, your stats for the Justician need little if any change, so far as I can see. Maybe remove the levels of Experienced - with the exception of companions (who could be used as player characters), I don't try to balance stats for the extracanonical sourcebooks, just try to capture the abilities as shown in the source material, so Experienced often isn't needed.
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Post by misterharry on Jan 3, 2015 17:28:11 GMT
Ooh, are we starting to plan for the 4th Doctor volume? I have to own up that I’ve already been working on some stuff for this one – mainly short stories and other more “peripheral” sources, but including a few novels and audios (nothing you’ve said you want to cover, Dastari, so be my guest with those!): COMICS:TV Comic – Shazar Doctor Who Weekly – Sharon Davies (inc sidebar on comic-strip moving from Polystyle to Marvel), the Iron Legion, the Malevilus, Beep the Meep, Wrarth Warriors, Werelox Doctor Who Monthly – Dr Ivan Asimoff (inc sidebar on Zyglots) ANNUALS (all comic-strips this time around):1976 Annual (“Neuronic Nightmare”) – Location: Neuronic Space 1979 Annual (“The Power”) – Location: Shem 1980 Annual (“The Weapon”) – The Black Knight and White Knight SHORT STORIES:BBC Short Trips (“Old Flames”) - Weretigers BF Short Trips 17 (“Checkpoint”) – The Jalaphron BF Short Trips 21 (“Attachments”, “Plight of the Monkrah” & “Puppeteer”) – Oliver Day (a new companion!) BF Short Trips 21 (“Puppeteer”) – The Puppeteer NEST COTTAGE AUDIOS:Hornets’ Nest – Fenella Wibbsey (inc sidebar on Nest Cottage), Mike Yates and Captain, the Hornets Demon Quest – The Demon, Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec, Location: Sepulchre Serpent Crest – The Robotovs, the Skishtari, Gadget: Skishtari Egg, the 2nd Doctor NOVELS:Heart of TARDIS – The Collectors System Shock – Voracians, Gadget: Voractyll Millennium Shock – Gadget: Melsham’s Gas Corpse Marker – Location: Kaldor, SASV1, Kiy Uvanov, Carnell Harry Sullivan’s War – The Van Gogh Society OTHER:Doctor Who and the Pescatons (1976 LP) - Pescatons Off-Off Canon: Seven Keys to Doomsday (stage play) – general piece, including stats for the alternative 4th Doctor, Jenny Wilson, Jimmy Forbes, Clawrantulars and the Master of Karn This list can now be updated with the following additions: SHORT STORIES:Decalog ("The Duke of Dominoes") - Gadget: The Godhead Decalog ("Scarab of Death") - Location: Beta Osiris The Roots of Evil (Puffin eShort) - Location: The Heligan Structure The Death Pit (Time Trips eShort) - Sandmasters NOVELLAS:Ghost Ship - Location: RMS Queen Mary, Gadget: Time Visualiser Prototype I'm hesitant about doing too much more while the 3rd Doctor volume is being worked on. However, I'd like to put myself forward to cover Gareth Roberts' trio of 4th Doctor novels: The Romance of Crime, The English Way of Death and The Well-Mannered War.
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