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Post by oldscool on Dec 13, 2009 5:10:08 GMT
The Celestial Toymaker is going to be my Games first series over arking villan i plan to use the Raston Warrior Robot(s) and give them some backstory as i quite liked it in the 5 doctors Krinoids will also give me a good opertunity to run some pod people stuff so there in
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Post by ravencrowking on Dec 21, 2009 22:08:30 GMT
WOTAN or BOSS could have escaped into the Internet, waiting for a chance to resurface......
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Post by sevateem on Dec 21, 2009 22:51:49 GMT
I've always been partial to the Silurians/Sea Devils (I've been tempted to make a newly discovered Pteradon version of Silurians). Other classic monsters that I would be tempted to use are the Wirrn, Rutans, Mandrells, Movellans, Ogrons and the Ogri. Some classic aliens I would also use include the Sensorites, the Draconians and the Ice Warriors.
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Post by JohnK on Dec 22, 2009 19:07:39 GMT
Hullo, Sevateem, I've always been partial to the Silurians/Sea Devils (I've been tempted to make a newly discovered Pteradon version of Silurians). Other classic monsters that I would be tempted to use are the Wirrn, Rutans, Mandrells, Movellans, Ogrons and the Ogri. Some classic aliens I would also use include the Sensorites, the Draconians and the Ice Warriors. I've been considering doing up the Silurians/Sea Devils, but will have to watch the three serials that featured them before I can do them justice (like the idea of the pteradon version, too!). As for the others you list, well you know how I feel about the Ice Warriors ;D, and I'm rather partial to the Sensorites, Movellans, and Ogrons as well.
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Post by Kit on Dec 23, 2009 5:36:45 GMT
Hullo, Sevateem, I've always been partial to the Silurians/Sea Devils (I've been tempted to make a newly discovered Pteradon version of Silurians). Other classic monsters that I would be tempted to use are the Wirrn, Rutans, Mandrells, Movellans, Ogrons and the Ogri. Some classic aliens I would also use include the Sensorites, the Draconians and the Ice Warriors. I've been considering doing up the Silurians/Sea Devils, but will have to watch the three serials that featured them before I can do them justice (like the idea of the pteradon version, too!). As for the others you list, well you know how I feel about the Ice Warriors ;D, and I'm rather partial to the Sensorites, Movellans, and Ogrons as well. I'd like to use Silurians and Sea Devils, buy they really need new names. I love Ice Warriors and Ice Lords but they need new names too. I'd use Ogrons. But Movellans leave me cold. They are kind of blah as robot races go and they just look so silly...
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Post by Null and Void on Dec 23, 2009 14:16:35 GMT
Movellans are ripe for a re-imagining. I can see them becoming something like the reimagined Cylons in the new Battlestar Galactica... A human looking race of robots that is slowly infiltrating and taking over a human colony and turning its resources against the Daleks. As for myself, I am presently wrestling with the Mechanoids, which are harder to build than I thought they would be. It is more complicated because of what I want to do with them, which is to make them a little more modern in appearance and function. I've got a second model mechanoid that works like one of these... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubik%27s_SnakeMaybe I'll post my scenario seed over in campaigns and adventures...
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Post by Matt Johnston on Dec 23, 2009 14:20:14 GMT
Movellans are ripe for a re-imagining. I can see them becoming something like the reimagined Cylons in the new Battlestar Galactica... A human looking race of robots that is slowly infiltrating and taking over a human colony and turning its resources against the Daleks And if it was a 'benign' infiltration, would it not be hard for most players to stop them? I mean - if a Time Lord can come in and help, and the people of Earth would welcome assistance against the Dalek menace, then they'd welcome the Movellans. I could easily see the Movellans come back especially *now* when the Daleks are obviously very active and the Time Lords have all but disappeared. I am having trouble parsing the value of *now*.
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Post by Rel Fexive on Dec 23, 2009 17:54:09 GMT
Well, the war with them was in Earth's future (as there was a time corridor in operation in 'Resurrection Of The Daleks') and apparently it's assumed they were eventually defeated by the Earth Empire (well, one of them).
Plus it's worth remembering that the reason the Daleks and the Movellans were at was is because both of them wanted to rule the galaxy, rather than because the Movellans were good or anything like that.
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Post by Craig Oxbrow on Dec 23, 2009 18:17:24 GMT
Movellans redesigned in the manner of Spielberg's A.I. perhaps - they look just about human, but their silver-grey eyes are just a bit too clear and, oh yes, they can open up their heads to hook them up to computers.
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Post by JohnK on Dec 23, 2009 20:27:03 GMT
Hullo, Kit, Hullo, Sevateem, I've been considering doing up the Silurians/Sea Devils, but will have to watch the three serials that featured them before I can do them justice (like the idea of the pteradon version, too!). As for the others you list, well you know how I feel about the Ice Warriors ;D, and I'm rather partial to the Sensorites, Movellans, and Ogrons as well. I'd like to use Silurians and Sea Devils, buy they really need new names. I love Ice Warriors and Ice Lords but they need new names too. I'd use Ogrons. But Movellans leave me cold. They are kind of blah as robot races go and they just look so silly... I don't think any of the races mentioned need new names, to be honest. One of the appeals of the classic Doctor Who series is that it was what it was, The names fit at the time, and to be honest, the races probably have names for themselves in their native tongues, but one just wants to get that part of it out of the way. As for the Movellans, they were a species prior to the business with the Daleks, and I have to admit that I found them fascinating at the time. While part of that's worn off, there is more to the Movellan species than what we saw, and I think it would be interesting to see what one could do with them away from the Daleks.
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Post by JohnK on Dec 23, 2009 20:47:02 GMT
Hullo, Null and Void, I can certainly see a reimagining of both the Movellans and the Mechanoids in New Who. The Movellan infiltration might be welcomed by the people of a clony world, especially given the possible threat of Dalek invasion. As for the Mechanoids, yes, I can see where they would be difficult to stat out and all, given the changes you envision. That said, for now, how about just the Classic Who Mechanoids? Worry about the new version after. But I would like to see the potential story seed in the appropriate section here.
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Post by JohnK on Dec 23, 2009 20:58:09 GMT
Hullo, Craig, Movellans redesigned in the manner of Spielberg's A.I. perhaps - they look just about human, but their silver-grey eyes are just a bit too clear and, oh yes, they can open up their heads to hook them up to computers. Oooh, I love this idea of how to handle them. It would certainly make the Movellans interesting. I've also just come up with an interesting twist of using Will Smith's I, Robot movie as a DOCTOR WHO scenario...
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Post by Rel Fexive on Dec 23, 2009 21:00:20 GMT
All the ideas about the Movellans are good, I think. The more they can be moved away just being the enemy of the Daleks with the silly 70s look the better.
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Post by Null and Void on Dec 23, 2009 21:26:10 GMT
Hullo, Null and Void, I can certainly see a reimagining of both the Movellans and the Mechanoids in New Who. The Movellan infiltration might be welcomed by the people of a clony world, especially given the possible threat of Dalek invasion. As for the Mechanoids, yes, I can see where they would be difficult to stat out and all, given the changes you envision. That said, for now, how about just the Classic Who Mechanoids? Worry about the new version after. But I would like to see the potential story seed in the appropriate section here. Classic mechanoids offer their own problems, and I'll admit, they are actually whats stumping me. Their one appearance made them a match for the daleks, so I want to do that justice. They have at least three different natural weapons, none of which seem capable of even denting a dalek casing the way they are now. Maybe I should just make it up by giving them a ridiculous strength and fighting ability. I'm hoping the Aliens and Monsters book will have more detailed rules about making new creatures.
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Post by Null and Void on Dec 23, 2009 21:45:14 GMT
Hullo, Craig, Movellans redesigned in the manner of Spielberg's A.I. perhaps - they look just about human, but their silver-grey eyes are just a bit too clear and, oh yes, they can open up their heads to hook them up to computers. Oooh, I love this idea of how to handle them. It would certainly make the Movellans interesting. I've also just come up with an interesting twist of using Will Smith's I, Robot movie as a DOCTOR WHO scenario... I've not seen the movie (at least I don't remember it), but it suddenly occurred to me that one of my planned scenarios, with a new alien species attempting to invade earth by reprogramming its robots into their army, would work much better with Movellans as the invaders.
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Post by Kit on Dec 23, 2009 21:54:48 GMT
The Black Guardian and the White Guardian appeal to me, possibly as villains for an entire season. Other 'big threat'/seasonal foes might be the Daemons, and Osirans, and the Celestial Toymaker. For lesser threats, I might consider Ogrons and Draconians. I'd use Wirrn as if they were in an ALIEN film. I'm tempted to use zygons as well.
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Post by Curufea on Dec 23, 2009 22:21:28 GMT
The Guardians wouldn't need statting out either, which is an added bonus
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Post by JohnK on Dec 23, 2009 22:49:01 GMT
Hullo, Null and Void, Hullo, Null and Void, I can certainly see a reimagining of both the Movellans and the Mechanoids in New Who. The Movellan infiltration might be welcomed by the people of a colony world, especially given the possible threat of Dalek invasion. As for the Mechanoids, yes, I can see where they would be difficult to stat out and all, given the changes you envision. That said, for now, how about just the Classic Who Mechanoids? Worry about the new version after. But I would like to see the potential story seed in the appropriate section here. Classic mechanoids offer their own problems, and I'll admit, they are actually whats stumping me. Their one appearance made them a match for the daleks, so I want to do that justice. They have at least three different natural weapons, none of which seem capable of even denting a dalek casing the way they are now. Maybe I should just make it up by giving them a ridiculous strength and fighting ability. I'm hoping the Aliens and Monsters book will have more detailed rules about making new creatures. I figured that was what might be stumping you with the Mechanoids, to be honest. Part of the problem stems from the fact that the Daleks are different in New Who than in Classic Who, and not just the surface stuff. Insofar as what you're struggling with, bear in mind that the Mechanoids were originally sent to worlds to prepare them for human colonization. Did that mean terraforming? Making a human-palatable ecology? Safeguarding the world for humans? I would argue that while you could give the Mechanoid the ridiculously high Strength and Fighting abilities, it might be better to consider the Daleks of that period to be somewhat...weaker...in their abilities, and that includes their casing. After all, it's safe to assume that the Daleks have constantly evolved over the years, so... While I'm hoping that the Aliens boxed set rules for creating aliens and monsters helps us out here, I have to wonder whether it will be able to handle the Classic Who stuff, which seems...underpowered and weaker than a lot of the current crop of Who aliens and beasties. Does that help at all?
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Post by JohnK on Dec 23, 2009 22:57:38 GMT
Hullo, Null and Void, Hullo, Craig, Oooh, I love this idea of how to handle them. It would certainly make the Movellans interesting. I've also just come up with an interesting twist of using Will Smith's I, Robot movie as a DOCTOR WHO scenario... I've not seen the movie (at least I don't remember it), but it suddenly occurred to me that one of my planned scenarios, with a new alien species attempting to invade earth by reprogramming its robots into their army, would work much better with Movellans as the invaders. The I, Robot movie with Will Smith was based on the stuff of the same name by Isaac Asimov, but the movie was really not that great. As for the idea you mention above, yes, I think it would work really well using the Movellans. I think they're one of the species from Classic Who that is sadly underrated in many respects, overshadowed in the episode by Romana's regeneration.
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Post by Kit on Dec 23, 2009 23:11:54 GMT
I figured that was what might be stumping you with the Mechanoids, to be honest. Part of the problem stems from the fact that the Daleks are different in New Who than in Classic Who, and not just the surface stuff. Insofar as what you're struggling with, bear in mind that the Mechanoids were originally sent to worlds to prepare them for human colonization. Did that mean terraforming? Making a human-palatable ecology? Safeguarding the world for humans? I would argue that while you could give the Mechanoid the ridiculously high Strength and Fighting abilities, it might be better to consider the Daleks of that period to be somewhat...weaker...in their abilities, and that includes their casing. After all, it's safe to assume that the Daleks have constantly evolved over the years, so... Classic Who Daleks were much weaker than current Daleks. One used to be able to tip them over for one thing and a 1963 era British military unit was able to destroy top of the line Daleks in "Remembrance of the Daleks". New Dalek force fields would prevent this now. I actually think modern Daleks are a bit overpowered myself.
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Post by JohnK on Dec 24, 2009 16:08:45 GMT
Hullo, Kit, I figured that was what might be stumping you with the Mechanoids, to be honest. Part of the problem stems from the fact that the Daleks are different in New Who than in Classic Who, and not just the surface stuff. Insofar as what you're struggling with, bear in mind that the Mechanoids were originally sent to worlds to prepare them for human colonization. Did that mean terraforming? Making a human-palatable ecology? Safeguarding the world for humans? I would argue that while you could give the Mechanoid the ridiculously high Strength and Fighting abilities, it might be better to consider the Daleks of that period to be somewhat...weaker...in their abilities, and that includes their casing. After all, it's safe to assume that the Daleks have constantly evolved over the years, so... Classic Who Daleks were much weaker than current Daleks. One used to be able to tip them over for one thing and a 1963 era British military unit was able to destroy top of the line Daleks in "Remembrance of the Daleks". New Dalek force fields would prevent this now. I actually think modern Daleks are a bit overpowered myself. I think this was a tendency on the part of RTD to "improve" everything in the series, though I would argue that the changes made to Daleks and Cybermen were not improvements. New takes, more than anything else. Obviously the Time War changed a few things, insofar as the Daleks are concerned. The key to statting up Daleks and their foes and the like from Classic Who is that one has to take them in that spirit, and ignore New Who's interpretation of them. I suspect we could easly see Mk 1 Daleks, Mk 2 Daleks, and so forth from the series, Also remember UNIT fighting the Daleks in the Pertwee story "Day of the Daleks"?
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Post by Null and Void on Dec 24, 2009 16:55:31 GMT
In an effort to create the mechanoids, I've been going over the daleks in the book to see what would make them into their more 'classic' form. Honestly, dropping the forcefield, flight, and self destruct does wonders for making them better emulate the early days of the Daleks. I ended up dropping their strength by 1 point as well. That looks pretty close to what they were in the original series. Which also makes it easier to stat out mechanoids, as it gives a base to work with. l'll post them when I have them done
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Post by JohnK on Dec 25, 2009 4:38:33 GMT
Hullo, Null and Void, In an effort to create the mechanoids, I've been going over the daleks in the book to see what would make them into their more 'classic' form. Honestly, dropping the forcefield, flight, and self destruct does wonders for making them better emulate the early days of the Daleks. I ended up dropping their strength by 1 point as well. That looks pretty close to what they were in the original series. Which also makes it easier to stat out mechanoids, as it gives a base to work with. l'll post them when I have them done Excellent news to hear! That said, just a quick question: When you say that you've statted them in their classic form, which series are we talking about? The later versions with Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy, or earlier than that? Just curious, and all.
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Post by Null and Void on Dec 25, 2009 14:54:57 GMT
Hullo, Null and Void, In an effort to create the mechanoids, I've been going over the daleks in the book to see what would make them into their more 'classic' form. Honestly, dropping the forcefield, flight, and self destruct does wonders for making them better emulate the early days of the Daleks. I ended up dropping their strength by 1 point as well. That looks pretty close to what they were in the original series. Which also makes it easier to stat out mechanoids, as it gives a base to work with. l'll post them when I have them done Excellent news to hear! That said, just a quick question: When you say that you've statted them in their classic form, which series are we talking about? The later versions with Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy, or earlier than that? Just curious, and all. I drew my inspiration largely from the Chase (Hartnell), Dalek Invasion of Earth (Hartnell), and Day of the Daleks and the other ones from the Pertwee. I tend to think of The Daleks, and Genesis of the Daleks as showing the really earliest models of Dalek Casings. They would have more weaknesses in them. The Baker and McCoy era Daleks would be a little more powerful than what I have, but not quite as powerful as The 'modern' versions. I'm afraid I never had the priviledge of seeing any of Troughton's Dalek stories.
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Post by JohnK on Dec 25, 2009 17:21:45 GMT
Hullo, Null and Void, That said, just a quick question: When you say that you've statted them in their classic form, which series are we talking about? The later versions with Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy, or earlier than that? Just curious, and all. I drew my inspiration largely from the Chase (Hartnell), Dalek Invasion of Earth (Hartnell), and Day of the Daleks and the other ones from the Pertwee. I tend to think of The Daleks, and Genesis of the Daleks as showing the really earliest models of Dalek Casings. They would have more weaknesses in them. The Baker and McCoy era Daleks would be a little more powerful than what I have, but not quite as powerful as The 'modern' versions. I'm afraid I never had the priviledge of seeing any of Troughton's Dalek stories. I've only seen maybe "Power of the Daleks" and possibly one of the others, but such is life. Hmm, so the ones from "The Daleks" would be Mk 1, and the ones from "Dalek Invasion of Earth" and "The Chase" would be Mk 2s? Unless of course the Daleks from "Genesis" would be Mk 1s? Oooh, my head hurts!
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Post by THE \/ince on Dec 26, 2009 16:46:23 GMT
Wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff...
Mark 1's would presumably be from Genesis (the earliest encounter in the Dalek's timeline).
You would really need to see a timeline of the Doctor's encounters with the Daleks in relation to their own progression through time.
If anyone knows where I could find one that would be great.
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Post by rsaintjohn on Dec 26, 2009 18:06:58 GMT
You would really need to see a timeline of the Doctor's encounters with the Daleks in relation to their own progression through time. If anyone knows where I could find one that would be great I can't vouch for it (I tend to rely on Lance Parkin's books, but they may have ben used for this), but I just came across this two days ago: www.godice.co.uk/ctoan_resources.htmlScroll down to MISCELLANEOUS, A History of the Daleks PDF
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Post by Kit on Dec 27, 2009 19:47:56 GMT
You would really need to see a timeline of the Doctor's encounters with the Daleks in relation to their own progression through time. If anyone knows where I could find one that would be great I can't vouch for it (I tend to rely on Lance Parkin's books, but they may have ben used for this), but I just came across this two days ago: www.godice.co.uk/ctoan_resources.htmlScroll down to MISCELLANEOUS, A History of the Daleks PDF Thank you. That's pretty solid Now, if there were one for the classic Cybermen that made any real sense
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Post by THE \/ince on Dec 27, 2009 20:56:21 GMT
Now you're asking something there. The cybermen crossed their own timelines so often it would resemble a knot.
Thanks for the Dalek timeline link, it's very informative.
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Post by Rel Fexive on Dec 27, 2009 22:14:57 GMT
They didn't really time travel that often though. Maybe twice. It's the two 'breeds' of cyberman that confuses things, the Mondasian and the Telosian. There was a great book once, written by the guy who played all of the later Cyber-Leaders I think. It had a big "family tree" and everything, it was wicked.
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