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Post by soultaker666212 on Mar 12, 2023 18:55:08 GMT
Inspired by what thewarchief has said in various other threads, I thought it would to create a new thread that would be used to expand upon the various planets/locations/time periods in which the Doctor or anyone else has previously visited and look at what happened after the Doctor/Anyone else has visited. I also have extended it to aliens that have featured within the show/expanded media that can be explored as well Me personally I wanna see more of 2 major settings introduced in classic doctor who 1: The Galactic Federation that was established in both Peladon serials. This setting I can imagine if your player characters decide to visit or stay within this period of time would probably take a lot of inspiration from Star Trek. Your players may decide to join onboard of a Galactic Federation spacecraft and work with the captain exploring new worlds (filled with aliens from the TV show and expanded universe of Doctor Who) or perhaps even they are the crew themselves in a campaign themed around that. They could go on away missions down to planets and meet new or familiar aliens and civilisations, whilst also doing scenarios set in the GF itself involving political intrigue. Peladon can make an apperance here and there though. 2: The cold war between the Humans and the Draconians. This would be very interesting setting to play in and would probably have a lot of Cold War allegories within it. You could perhaps adapt popular or even less familiar Cold War stories such as say The Hunt for Red October for example and just change things to make it more suitable. A lot of espionage scenarios could also work as well with the player characters having to go on espionage missions for either side It could be set on various different worlds on the borders of the neutral zone between both empires or even in the neutral zone as well. An alien I wanna see covered more even in Doctor Who itself is the Tritovores from Planet of the Dead. We do not know much about them other than the technology they use and based on TARDIS wiki that the ship featured within the episode was in fact a trade ship. I can see them being featured as background aliens in various scenarios or as minions for whomever chooses to have them etc. They could be expanded upon more as well.
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Post by grinch on Mar 13, 2023 14:00:53 GMT
I always thought the Alternate Timeline of ‘The Year That Never Was’ would be ripe for exploration for a Who campaign. Whether that be a one-off session focusing on Unbound versions of your PCs or your regular group finding themselves trapped within said timeline.
Personally, I thought it would be neat to see how the wider universe reacts to The Master taking over Earth. Would The Shadow Proclamation consider it within their best interests to seal off the planet? Or would other forces seek to take advantage of the new paradigm and forge an alliance?
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Post by soultaker666212 on Mar 13, 2023 14:22:41 GMT
I always thought the Alternate Timeline of ‘The Year That Never Was’ would be ripe for exploration for a Who campaign. Whether that be a one-off session focusing on Unbound versions of your PCs or your regular group finding themselves trapped within said timeline. Personally, I thought it would be neat to see how the wider universe reacts to The Master taking over Earth. Would The Shadow Proclamation consider it within their best interests to seal off the planet? Or would other forces seek to take advantage of the new paradigm and forge an alliance? That would be pretty cool actually to explore. I like the wider conflict ideas a lot especially with the idea of aliens living on Earth and how the species may react when their suddenly oppressed by Earth. Perhaps the Paradox Machine did not fully close the "The Year That Never Was" and instead create an alternate universe from it. Perhaps some kind of universal war to prevent the Master from taking over the universe, maybe even see the daleks take on the side of the good as well. Would be interesting to see the wider conflict as well!
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Post by grinch on Mar 13, 2023 21:19:06 GMT
I always thought the Alternate Timeline of ‘The Year That Never Was’ would be ripe for exploration for a Who campaign. Whether that be a one-off session focusing on Unbound versions of your PCs or your regular group finding themselves trapped within said timeline. Personally, I thought it would be neat to see how the wider universe reacts to The Master taking over Earth. Would The Shadow Proclamation consider it within their best interests to seal off the planet? Or would other forces seek to take advantage of the new paradigm and forge an alliance? That would be pretty cool actually to explore. I like the wider conflict ideas a lot especially with the idea of aliens living on Earth and how the species may react when they’re suddenly oppressed by Earth. Perhaps the Paradox Machine did not fully close the "The Year That Never Was" and instead create an alternate universe from it. Perhaps some kind of universal war to prevent the Master from taking over the universe, maybe even see the daleks take on the side of the good as well. Would be interesting to see the wider conflict as well! I think there is plenty of examples within the greater Whoniverse of abandoned or erased timeline still existing out there in some pocket of creation. So it would be safe to say, that there is plenty of room for The Year of Never Was to still exist. Perhaps due to the accidental intrusion or intervention on the part of PCs of this predatory timeline encroaching on and threatening to consume the main one? I could definitely see the greater alien community on Earth trying to leave the planet upon the Master coming to power. Unsuccessfully, of course. In this alternate timeline where The Year of Never Was never ended, I could see the universe being full of destroyed planets, some of them practically husks as the Master launched his war across the universe. Maybe a group of PCs in such an adventure (whether that be one off or a campaign) try to discover some device or weaponry to fulfil their most desperate mission yet. To resurrect the Daleks! In such a desperate and horrifying universe, they reason that they’re the only race who’d stand a chance and ending his reign of terror.
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Post by thewarchief on Mar 13, 2023 22:16:55 GMT
I always thought the Alternate Timeline of ‘The Year That Never Was’ would be ripe for exploration for a Who campaign. Whether that be a one-off session focusing on Unbound versions of your PCs or your regular group finding themselves trapped within said timeline. Personally, I thought it would be neat to see how the wider universe reacts to The Master taking over Earth. Would The Shadow Proclamation consider it within their best interests to seal off the planet? Or would other forces seek to take advantage of the new paradigm and forge an alliance? I had the impression that the Shadow Proclamation wasn't aware of the matter or that the incident fell outside of their jurisdiction. Prior to the arrival of the Doctor everyone seemed to accept the Master as Harold Saxon, he had been on Earth for some time before becoming Prime Minister.Since the Master confined his activities to Earth his activities probably didn't register off world yet. Then again, he did build a paradox machine out of the Tardis, and maybe it helped to prevent outside intervention. In fact that would make some sense as the Master didn't seem 100% convinced that the Time Lords were all gone (I don't blame him considering how often both he and the Doctor returned after being written off as dead). Perhaps the machine either kept the Shadow Proclamation out, or prevented them from detecting his activities with the Toclafane. Part of the difficulty with the Shadow Proclamation is that it is yet another example of something interesting that we get hints about during the series but which we do not get any real details about. Yes, it shows up in Stolen Earth, for all of about two minutes, before the doctor runs off in the Tardis. It almost makes this list as another secondary setting worth seeing, except I suspect any attempt to explain it would probably diminish it. The impression I got from Stolen Earth was that it seems to be some sort of organization designed to deal with the effects of the Time War and interstellar relations, yet they seem to be in way over their heads. I kinda wonder if Jack's Time Agency is related to it. MAybe trying to undo some of the "side effects" of the Time War.
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Post by grinch on Mar 13, 2023 22:35:41 GMT
I always thought the Alternate Timeline of ‘The Year That Never Was’ would be ripe for exploration for a Who campaign. Whether that be a one-off session focusing on Unbound versions of your PCs or your regular group finding themselves trapped within said timeline. Personally, I thought it would be neat to see how the wider universe reacts to The Master taking over Earth. Would The Shadow Proclamation consider it within their best interests to seal off the planet? Or would other forces seek to take advantage of the new paradigm and forge an alliance? I had the impression that the Shadow Proclamation wasn't aware of the matter or that the incident fell outside of their jurisdiction. Prior to the arrival of the Doctor everyone seemed to accept the Master as Harold Saxon, he had been on Earth for some time before becoming Prime Minister.Since the Master confined his activities to Earth his activities probably didn't register off world yet. Then again, he did build a paradox machine out of the Tardis, and maybe it helped to prevent outside intervention. In fact that would make some sense as the Master didn't seem 100% convinced that the Time Lords were all gone (I don't blame him considering how often both he and the Doctor returned after being written off as dead). Perhaps the machine either kept the Shadow Proclamation out, or prevented them from detecting his activities with the Toclafane. Part of the difficulty with the Shadow Proclamation is that it is yet another example of something interesting that we get hints about during the series but which we do not get any real details about. Yes, it shows up in Stolen Earth, for all of about two minutes, before the doctor runs off in the Tardis. It almost makes this list as another secondary setting worth seeing, except I suspect any attempt to explain it would probably diminish it. The impression I got from Stolen Earth was that it seems to be some sort of organization designed to deal with the effects of the Time War and interstellar relations, yet they seem to be in way over their heads. I kinda wonder if Jack's Time Agency is related to it. MAybe trying to undo some of the "side effects" of the Time War. It's a solid take. And one I do agree with to an certain extent. The way I envisaged it going down, is that the Shadow Proclamation (who I presume are the equivalent to space police) only become aware of events on Earth AFTER The Master has taken over. Perhaps they were alerted to the situation by the numerous distress calls from the greater alien population trying to get off planet. When they realised just what was going on, they attempted to seal the planet off in an attempt to contain the potential threat while they tried to figure out what to do. Regardless of whether or not they know just who "Harold Saxon" he clearly has the potential to become a universal threat. I do like the idea of the Paradox Machine having other effects aside from allowing the Toclafane to exist. Maybe it disrupts attempts at Time Travel or temporal manipulation? Would certainly explain why the Time Agency haven't just sent agents en masse to assassinate The Master. Although, I could see the Time Agency and the Shadow Proclamation making a temporary alliance. I really like the idea that The Master isn't convinced the Time Lords are in fact all dead. Would certainly be in keeping with how he is depicted within the finale. Not sure how you would convey that within a campaign. Unless The Master has been scanning space for signs of Gallifrey or Time Lord technology.
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Post by lupercal on Mar 13, 2023 23:57:56 GMT
Alternate universes are always fun. I say go for it.
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Post by Catsmate on Mar 14, 2023 11:48:04 GMT
Inspired by what thewarchief has said in various other threads, I thought it would to create a new thread that would be used to expand upon the various planets/locations/time periods in which the Doctor or anyone else has previously visited and look at what happened after the Doctor/Anyone else has visited. I also have extended it to aliens that have featured within the show/expanded media that can be explored as well Me personally I wanna see more of 2 major settings introduced in classic doctor who 1: The Galactic Federation that was established in both Peladon serials. This setting I can imagine if your player characters decide to visit or stay within this period of time would probably take a lot of inspiration from Star Trek. Your players may decide to join onboard of a Galactic Federation spacecraft and work with the captain exploring new worlds (filled with aliens from the TV show and expanded universe of Doctor Who) or perhaps even they are the crew themselves in a campaign themed around that. They could go on away missions down to planets and meet new or familiar aliens and civilisations, whilst also doing scenarios set in the GF itself involving political intrigue. Peladon can make an apperance here and there though. 2: The cold war between the Humans and the Draconians. This would be very interesting setting to play in and would probably have a lot of Cold War allegories within it. You could perhaps adapt popular or even less familiar Cold War stories such as say The Hunt for Red October for example and just change things to make it more suitable. A lot of espionage scenarios could also work as well with the player characters having to go on espionage missions for either side It could be set on various different worlds on the borders of the neutral zone between both empires or even in the neutral zone as well. An alien I wanna see covered more even in Doctor Who itself is the Tritovores from Planet of the Dead. We do not know much about them other than the technology they use and based on TARDIS wiki that the ship featured within the episode was in fact a trade ship. I can see them being featured as background aliens in various scenarios or as minions for whomever chooses to have them etc. They could be expanded upon more as well. 1. The Federation was explored, to a degree, in Legacy and The Dark Path, though not with a great level of detail. The Piri Reis certainly has similarities to the Enterprise....
2. Very analogous (to me) to the classic era Star Trek and the Federation/Klingon relationship. Time to re-stage the classic The Trouble with Tribbles, comnplete with twi groups of meddling time travellers.
3. The Tritovores are interesting, though there is very little background to play with.
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Post by Catsmate on Mar 14, 2023 11:53:59 GMT
I always thought the Alternate Timeline of ‘The Year That Never Was’ would be ripe for exploration for a Who campaign. Whether that be a one-off session focusing on Unbound versions of your PCs or your regular group finding themselves trapped within said timeline. Personally, I thought it would be neat to see how the wider universe reacts to The Master taking over Earth. Would The Shadow Proclamation consider it within their best interests to seal off the planet? Or would other forces seek to take advantage of the new paradigm and forge an alliance? Might a small team from onboard the Valiant manage to escape towards the end, before the year 'reset'? A couple of aliens sent to Earth to investigate, a UNIT trooper, an impressed scientist, a desperate freedom-fighter, a 'good' Toclafane, a stranded time-traveller..... The classic rag-tag bunch, who are now stuck in the 'Real World', their past drastically altered. So what do they do?
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Post by Catsmate on Mar 14, 2023 12:00:18 GMT
That would be pretty cool actually to explore. I like the wider conflict ideas a lot especially with the idea of aliens living on Earth and how the species may react when they’re suddenly oppressed by Earth. Perhaps the Paradox Machine did not fully close the "The Year That Never Was" and instead create an alternate universe from it. Perhaps some kind of universal war to prevent the Master from taking over the universe, maybe even see the daleks take on the side of the good as well. Would be interesting to see the wider conflict as well! I think there is plenty of examples within the greater Whoniverse of abandoned or erased timeline still existing out there in some pocket of creation. So it would be safe to say, that there is plenty of room for The Year of Never Was to still exist. Perhaps due to the accidental intrusion or intervention on the part of PCs of this predatory timeline encroaching on and threatening to consume the main one? I could definitely see the greater alien community on Earth trying to leave the planet upon the Master coming to power. Unsuccessfully, of course. In this alternate timeline where The Year of Never Was never ended, I could see the universe being full of destroyed planets, some of them practically husks as the Master launched his war across the universe. Maybe a group of PCs in such an adventure (whether that be one off or a campaign) try to discover some device or weaponry to fulfil their most desperate mission yet. To resurrect the Daleks! In such a desperate and horrifying universe, they reason that they’re the only race who’d stand a chance and ending his reign of terror. The alternate Earth of State of Change has some interesting potential too. What happens in the years and centuries after DoctorVI and Peri leave? Do the Romans continue developing? Are there wars? When do they manage to make it into space? What happens after that?
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Post by Catsmate on Mar 14, 2023 12:05:30 GMT
Alternate universes are always fun. I say go for it. Friendly greetings, Horus Lupercal. Indeed, I use a few in my game.
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Post by grinch on Mar 14, 2023 12:18:40 GMT
Inspired by what thewarchief has said in various other threads, I thought it would to create a new thread that would be used to expand upon the various planets/locations/time periods in which the Doctor or anyone else has previously visited and look at what happened after the Doctor/Anyone else has visited. I also have extended it to aliens that have featured within the show/expanded media that can be explored as well Me personally I wanna see more of 2 major settings introduced in classic doctor who 1: The Galactic Federation that was established in both Peladon serials. This setting I can imagine if your player characters decide to visit or stay within this period of time would probably take a lot of inspiration from Star Trek. Your players may decide to join onboard of a Galactic Federation spacecraft and work with the captain exploring new worlds (filled with aliens from the TV show and expanded universe of Doctor Who) or perhaps even they are the crew themselves in a campaign themed around that. They could go on away missions down to planets and meet new or familiar aliens and civilisations, whilst also doing scenarios set in the GF itself involving political intrigue. Peladon can make an apperance here and there though. 2: The cold war between the Humans and the Draconians. This would be very interesting setting to play in and would probably have a lot of Cold War allegories within it. You could perhaps adapt popular or even less familiar Cold War stories such as say The Hunt for Red October for example and just change things to make it more suitable. A lot of espionage scenarios could also work as well with the player characters having to go on espionage missions for either side It could be set on various different worlds on the borders of the neutral zone between both empires or even in the neutral zone as well. An alien I wanna see covered more even in Doctor Who itself is the Tritovores from Planet of the Dead. We do not know much about them other than the technology they use and based on TARDIS wiki that the ship featured within the episode was in fact a trade ship. I can see them being featured as background aliens in various scenarios or as minions for whomever chooses to have them etc. They could be expanded upon more as well. 1. The Federation was explored, to a degree, in Legacy and The Dark Path, though not with a great level of detail. The Piri Reis certainly has similarities to the Enterprise....
2. Very analogous (to me) to the classic era Star Trek and the Federation/Klingon relationship. Time to re-stage the classic The Trouble with Tribbles, comnplete with twi groups of meddling time travellers.
3. The Tritovores are interesting, though there is very little background to play with.
If I were to use the Tritovores, I'd probably have a pair make for semi comedic NPCs. Say as alien junkers or traders in goods. Think the outer space equivalent of Steptoe and Son. With of course, the potential to become recurring characters should they prove popular.
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Post by grinch on Mar 14, 2023 12:24:58 GMT
I always thought the Alternate Timeline of ‘The Year That Never Was’ would be ripe for exploration for a Who campaign. Whether that be a one-off session focusing on Unbound versions of your PCs or your regular group finding themselves trapped within said timeline. Personally, I thought it would be neat to see how the wider universe reacts to The Master taking over Earth. Would The Shadow Proclamation consider it within their best interests to seal off the planet? Or would other forces seek to take advantage of the new paradigm and forge an alliance? Might a small team from onboard the Valiant manage to escape towards the end, before the year 'reset'? A couple of aliens sent to Earth to investigate, a UNIT trooper, an impressed scientist, a desperate freedom-fighter, a 'good' Toclafane, a stranded time-traveller..... The classic rag-tag bunch, who are now stuck in the 'Real World', their past drastically altered. So what do they do?
That's a neat idea. Even if the Toclafane had been reprogrammed or surgically altered to become "good" it would probably still be just as kill crazy and would need reining in from time to time. Unless such a group basically went into hiding, they would be bound to attract the attention of someone. Perhaps due to their paradoxical nature, they'd be pursued by the Operatives from Sapphire and Steel? After all, their continued existence could threaten to re establish the rogue timeline that is The Year That Never Was. Or possibly even The Cult of Saxon? (Again, another plot point that was never revisited)
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Post by grinch on Mar 14, 2023 12:27:04 GMT
I think there is plenty of examples within the greater Whoniverse of abandoned or erased timeline still existing out there in some pocket of creation. So it would be safe to say, that there is plenty of room for The Year of Never Was to still exist. Perhaps due to the accidental intrusion or intervention on the part of PCs of this predatory timeline encroaching on and threatening to consume the main one? I could definitely see the greater alien community on Earth trying to leave the planet upon the Master coming to power. Unsuccessfully, of course. In this alternate timeline where The Year of Never Was never ended, I could see the universe being full of destroyed planets, some of them practically husks as the Master launched his war across the universe. Maybe a group of PCs in such an adventure (whether that be one off or a campaign) try to discover some device or weaponry to fulfil their most desperate mission yet. To resurrect the Daleks! In such a desperate and horrifying universe, they reason that they’re the only race who’d stand a chance and ending his reign of terror. The alternate Earth of State of Change has some interesting potential too. What happens in the years and centuries after DoctorVI and Peri leave? Do the Romans continue developing? Are there wars? When do they manage to make it into space? What happens after that? With a bit of reworking, you could suggest that the alternate Earth of State of Change becomes akin to that of the comic strip The Iron Legion with robotic legionnaires and so forth.
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Post by Catsmate on Mar 14, 2023 12:35:18 GMT
1. The Federation was explored, to a degree, in Legacy and The Dark Path, though not with a great level of detail. The Piri Reis certainly has similarities to the Enterprise....
2. Very analogous (to me) to the classic era Star Trek and the Federation/Klingon relationship. Time to re-stage the classic The Trouble with Tribbles, complete with twi groups of meddling time travellers.
3. The Tritovores are interesting, though there is very little background to play with.
If I were to use the Tritovores, I'd probably have a pair make for semi comedic NPCs. Say as alien junkers or traders in goods. Think the outer space equivalent of Steptoe and Son. With of course, the potential to become recurring characters should they prove popular. Excellent, slightly like the Pakleds in Trek?
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Post by Catsmate on Mar 14, 2023 12:36:30 GMT
Might a small team from onboard the Valiant manage to escape towards the end, before the year 'reset'? A couple of aliens sent to Earth to investigate, a UNIT trooper, an impressed scientist, a desperate freedom-fighter, a 'good' Toclafane, a stranded time-traveller..... The classic rag-tag bunch, who are now stuck in the 'Real World', their past drastically altered. So what do they do?
That's a neat idea. Even if the Toclafane had been reprogrammed or surgically altered to become "good" it would probably still be just as kill crazy and would need reining in from time to time. Unless such a group basically went into hiding, they would be bound to attract the attention of someone. Perhaps due to their paradoxical nature, they'd be pursued by the Operatives from Sapphire and Steel? After all, their continued existence could threaten to re establish the rogue timeline that is The Year That Never Was. Or possibly even The Cult of Saxon? (Again, another plot point that was never revisited) Well I was thinking of a job for the Misfit Mob, especially if there are duplicates of the escapees already on Earth. And plenty of scope for temporal paradoxes.
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Post by Catsmate on Mar 14, 2023 12:37:12 GMT
The alternate Earth of State of Change has some interesting potential too. What happens in the years and centuries after DoctorVI and Peri leave? Do the Romans continue developing? Are there wars? When do they manage to make it into space? What happens after that? With a bit of reworking, you could suggest that the alternate Earth of State of Change becomes akin to that of the comic strip The Iron Legion with robotic legionnaires and so forth. That had possibilities, experiments with intelligent robots gone horribly wrong.
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Post by soultaker666212 on Mar 14, 2023 12:41:17 GMT
1. The Federation was explored, to a degree, in Legacy and The Dark Path, though not with a great level of detail. The Piri Reis certainly has similarities to the Enterprise....
2. Very analogous (to me) to the classic era Star Trek and the Federation/Klingon relationship. Time to re-stage the classic The Trouble with Tribbles, comnplete with twi groups of meddling time travellers.
3. The Tritovores are interesting, though there is very little background to play with.
If I were to use the Tritovores, I'd probably have a pair make for semi comedic NPCs. Say as alien junkers or traders in goods. Think the outer space equivalent of Steptoe and Son. With of course, the potential to become recurring characters should they prove popular. I Like the idea of the Tritovores being alien scavengers and traders a lot. Kinda reminds me of the Jawa from Star Wars as well though. They could probably be included in campagins involving derelict spaceships or junk planets or as background traders in old technology. Perhaps some important piece of techology needed to repair a time machine is in the hands of a group of these Tritovores might make for an interesting social encounter.
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Post by Catsmate on Mar 14, 2023 13:22:24 GMT
If I were to use the Tritovores, I'd probably have a pair make for semi comedic NPCs. Say as alien junkers or traders in goods. Think the outer space equivalent of Steptoe and Son. With of course, the potential to become recurring characters should they prove popular. I Like the idea of the Tritovores being alien scavengers and traders a lot. Kinda reminds me of the Jawa from Star Wars as well though. They could probably be included in campagins involving derelict spaceships or junk planets or as background traders in old technology. Perhaps some important piece of techology needed to repair a time machine is in the hands of a group of these Tritovores might make for an interesting social encounter. Or perhaps they looted a more advanced derelict, like the Tzun Stormblade in Lords of the Storm, which others want to acquire. Or perhaps some xeno-archaeology that yielded some artefact Clarke-tech.
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Post by grinch on Mar 14, 2023 15:50:38 GMT
That's a neat idea. Even if the Toclafane had been reprogrammed or surgically altered to become "good" it would probably still be just as kill crazy and would need reining in from time to time. Unless such a group basically went into hiding, they would be bound to attract the attention of someone. Perhaps due to their paradoxical nature, they'd be pursued by the Operatives from Sapphire and Steel? After all, their continued existence could threaten to re establish the rogue timeline that is The Year That Never Was. Or possibly even The Cult of Saxon? (Again, another plot point that was never revisited) Well I was thinking of a job for the Misfit Mob, especially if there are duplicates of the escapees already on Earth. And plenty of scope for temporal paradoxes.It does make me wonder whether UNIT has safe havens or outposts for those walking paradoxes. Or even what we might deem prisons. After all, with all the alterations made to history there is bound to be a few who survive the changes.
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Post by grinch on Mar 14, 2023 15:52:08 GMT
With a bit of reworking, you could suggest that the alternate Earth of State of Change becomes akin to that of the comic strip The Iron Legion with robotic legionnaires and so forth. That had possibilities, experiments with intelligent robots gone horribly wrong.It could be an interesting way to explore the popular depictions of Rome. With one representing the grandeur and majesty while the advanced intelligent robots adopt the more imperialistic and brutal mindset of Ancient Rome. In a sense, it’s a culture waging war against itself.
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Post by grinch on Mar 14, 2023 15:53:14 GMT
I Like the idea of the Tritovores being alien scavengers and traders a lot. Kinda reminds me of the Jawa from Star Wars as well though. They could probably be included in campagins involving derelict spaceships or junk planets or as background traders in old technology. Perhaps some important piece of techology needed to repair a time machine is in the hands of a group of these Tritovores might make for an interesting social encounter. Or perhaps they looted a more advanced derelict, like the Tzun Stormblade in Lords of the Storm, which others want to acquire. Or perhaps some xeno-archaeology that yielded some artefact Clarke-tech.
Which the Tritovores would be more than happy to hand over to any interested party. As long as they get the right price for it, of course.
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Post by soultaker666212 on Mar 14, 2023 15:59:38 GMT
Or perhaps they looted a more advanced derelict, like the Tzun Stormblade in Lords of the Storm, which others want to acquire. Or perhaps some xeno-archaeology that yielded some artefact Clarke-tech.
Which the Tritovores would be more than happy to hand over to any interested party. As long as they get the right price for it, of course. Probably the price being well, our human waste...
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Post by Catsmate on Mar 14, 2023 16:00:43 GMT
Well I was thinking of a job for the Misfit Mob, especially if there are duplicates of the escapees already on Earth. And plenty of scope for temporal paradoxes. It does make me wonder whether UNIT has safe havens or outposts for those walking paradoxes. Or even what we might deem prisons. After all, with all the alterations made to history there is bound to be a few who survive the changes. When I needed one I lifted a setting called Stormburg from an old issue of Arcane magazine, basically a flying rock (rather like in the Edge Chronicles) that phases through alternate dimensions. A good place to lose awkward people....
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Post by soultaker666212 on Mar 14, 2023 16:02:45 GMT
Well I was thinking of a job for the Misfit Mob, especially if there are duplicates of the escapees already on Earth. And plenty of scope for temporal paradoxes. It does make me wonder whether UNIT has safe havens or outposts for those walking paradoxes. Or even what we might deem prisons. After all, with all the alterations made to history there is bound to be a few who survive the changes. Perhaps some department or area of the Black Archive might be a good place to store walking paradoxes.
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Post by thewarchief on Mar 14, 2023 18:56:38 GMT
Alternate universes are always fun. I say go for it. Friendly greetings, Horus Lupercal. Especially when the alternate universe is a one off and doesn't really impact the main universe. We don't know how far the effects of the paradox machine go, either. Was Earth isolated somehow? Did the effects go beyond Earth? For all we know the entire universe might have had a year be undone. It probably didn't change much because people away from Earth would do the same things the second time around, but...we don't know what sort of butterfly effect the Doctor's actions could have had during that year.
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Post by thewarchief on Mar 14, 2023 19:18:12 GMT
It's a solid take. And one I do agree with to an certain extent. The way I envisaged it going down, is that the Shadow Proclamation (who I presume are the equivalent to space police) only become aware of events on Earth AFTER The Master has taken over. [/quote] Yeah, I agree. If they found out at all, it would have been well after the fact. Perhaps they were alerted to the situation by the numerous distress calls from the greater alien population trying to get off planet. When they realised just what was going on, they attempted to seal the planet off in an attempt to contain the potential threat while they tried to figure out what to do. Regardless of whether or not they know just who "Harold Saxon" he clearly has the potential to become a universal threat. Yup, One problem I think they would have is that they probably wouldn't know exactly what was going on, if had something to do with the Time War or not, who was behind it (as all the Time Lords but one are dead), etc. Odds are they probably wouldn't risk altering the timeline until they figured out what was going on. I figured they quarantine the planet if the could, and maybe send in a team of some sort of gather intel so they could make a plan. Hmm, I think it would be kinda of nice if the Shadow Procamation actually did something off screen that restored the Doctor as opposed to the "clap your hands to save Tinkerbell" type ending. I do like the idea of the Paradox Machine having other effects aside from allowing the Toclafane to exist. Maybe it disrupts attempts at Time Travel or temporal manipulation? Would certainly explain why the Time Agency haven't just sent agents en masse to assassinate The Master. Although, I could see the Time Agency and the Shadow Proclamation making a temporary alliance. Well it would sort of have to have secondary effect. I mean it creates a paradox. The idea seems to be that the machine allow the paradox to exist whereas otherwise time/the reapers/etc. would do something about it. The machine is literally letting the Toclafane go back in time to kill their ancestors. So there is bound to be a bunch of domino effects from various changes. I really like the idea that The Master isn't convinced the Time Lords are in fact all dead. Would certainly be in keeping with how he is depicted within the finale. Not sure how you would convey that within a campaign. Unless The Master has been scanning space for signs of Gallifrey or Time Lord technology. That's from the episodes. The Doctor tires to tell him when he is stealing the Tardis and regenerating, that they are all that is left, but the Master isn't listening. Then later, when the Doctor arrives on Earth the Master notes that they are alone (a feel the turn of the universe-they aren't in my head sort of thing) and that the Doctor surviving the Time War indicates that he somehow could have resolved it. So there is probably a period of time where the Master isn't aware of the outcome of the Time War and if the Time Lords exist. It's just possible that the whole Paradox Machine was a way to draw them out. I can't think of a better way to try and get their attention. And like with Lazarus' experiments being the basis for how the Master ages the Doctor, maybe he did some sort of tests with the Paradox Machine prior to the events of the episode? So you got several months of "what was he doing/planning" to work with. And why did he build the Valiant?
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Post by lupercal on Mar 14, 2023 19:24:29 GMT
Concerning the Valiant: The Master seems to be VERY fond of things just because they're cool in his eyes. Ra-Ra-Rasputin to make an example?
Friendly greetings, Horus Lupercal.
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Post by soultaker666212 on Mar 15, 2023 19:28:05 GMT
I would like to see the Solonians from The Mutants make a return or be expanded upon at least in various other media as well. They do have an interesting life cycle that now that it has been fully unlocked I wanna see how the planet has adapted to the changes and such. I would also love to see the Chimerons be expanded upon as well from Delta and the Bannermen and now that the Bannermen are dealt with and have a ship, wonder if they did manage to find a planet and repopulate.
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Post by misterharry on Mar 16, 2023 15:45:41 GMT
1: The Galactic Federation that was established in both Peladon serials. This setting I can imagine if your player characters decide to visit or stay within this period of time would probably take a lot of inspiration from Star Trek. Your players may decide to join onboard of a Galactic Federation spacecraft and work with the captain exploring new worlds (filled with aliens from the TV show and expanded universe of Doctor Who) or perhaps even they are the crew themselves in a campaign themed around that. They could go on away missions down to planets and meet new or familiar aliens and civilisations, whilst also doing scenarios set in the GF itself involving political intrigue. Peladon can make an apperance here and there though. I like the idea of a series of adventures for a TARDIS team set at various points in the life of the Galactic Federation, including at the time of its inception in the 32nd Century, at the heoght of its influence in the latter half of the Fourth Millennium, during the wars against Galaxy 5 or the Orion Androis, and in the period following the 41st Century war against the Daleks, when it had become a dictatorship ruled by Mavic Chen's descendants. The Expanded Universe provides much of this history and greatly expands the Federation's membership from the handful of species we saw in the Peladon stories.
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