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Post by dragoncymru on Jan 17, 2012 22:39:00 GMT
It's never any good news is it....?
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Post by ugavine on Jan 18, 2012 15:45:20 GMT
Yes,depressing really-absolutely no news on Dr Who-plenty of other things slotted for Early 2012 I'm a big C7 fan. I support C7 to the best of my ability. Unfortunately, i run up against people who feel that C7 has abandoned DWAITAS in favor of other games like One Ring. Each newsletter with no DWAITAS info makes my job harder. I too love C7, bought SUPERS RPG the weekend. But I've lost any hope I had that C7 will be continuing with Doctor Who. It doesn't help that they don't properly update their website. I was looking forward to Cthulhu Britannica: Folklore Taken from the wesite today; " *Due 2011* All pre-orders will also be sent a complimentary copy of the PDF of this product ahead of physical release! Title: Cthulhu Britannica: Folklore " They have got *Due 2012* above it now but the 2011 is still there below it.
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Post by Curufea on Jan 19, 2012 8:03:48 GMT
They currently don't have any of the character sheets as downloads on their website either.
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Post by brainsnaffler on Jan 19, 2012 10:39:32 GMT
I admit that it is very frustrating that C7 can't even bang the drum to let people know they are still committed to releasing Doctor Who Products in their newsletters and other publications. I have spoken to C7 staff at conventions and their ideas for future releases seem truly excellent. They don't even need to tell us what they are... just give us a sign that they won't let it go!
It's even more frustrating that you go on the C7 website and the only pages accessible for games are One Ring and Airship Pirates! They could at least put the usual stuff on about what the game is and perhaps some character sheets and even ask people to write adventure threads to publish there (although this forums adventure threads are fine).
I think they could and do need to do more if they wish to maintain the new audience for Doctor Who, because as it is, they seem to have simply the die hard Doctor Who fans (myself included) that will buy the product come what may.... and even then a lot of us are despairing!
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Post by stahlman on Jan 19, 2012 21:49:32 GMT
I shall be very surprised;albeit pleasantly surprised if any Dr Who products materialise in 2012
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Post by zebaroth on Jan 20, 2012 1:26:47 GMT
I shall be very surprised;albeit pleasantly surprised if any Dr Who products materialise in 2012 same here. was hoping to see the source books for the other Doctors
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Post by cliffordjones on Jan 20, 2012 1:55:02 GMT
If this really is The End I don't understand why they don't just make an announcement.
Are they just self-deluded?
Do they just want to offload remaining stock before officially killing the product line?
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Post by imajica on Jan 20, 2012 13:28:50 GMT
I blame the internet. If it weren't for the internet we probably wouldn't even have known about the Dr Who RPG until someone spotted it at a con or, more likely, it appeared in the FLGS. When I bought the FASA Who RPG it was because it was right there on the shelf in Games Workshop, York. (Yes, I know that dates me. Hands up everyone who remembers GW selling other people's games and Warhammer/Citadel Minis being just a tiny section of the store?)
I didn't know about any of the adventures or supplements until I saw them there (or advertised in White Dwarf - giving away my age there again, the Dwarf used to be a superb RPG magazine).
So, does anyone know how long it took FASA to bring the Who RPG to market? How much difficulty they had with the approvals process, branding, etc.? Or their Trek RPG? I don't, but I bet if we'd had the internet back then we would've been clamouring for information just as much as we're doing now with C7. No news is still no news, but there's a world of difference between knowing something is tantalisingly just out of reach and not knowing it exists at all. Ignorance is definitely bliss, in this case.
If it's The End, then C7 are behaving almost identically to Eden Studios and their Buffy/Angel RPG line. They had a good few sourcebooks lined up for that when the plug was pulled. The two main differences - 1, Dr Who is still an ongoing TV series and 2, Eden could post information and previews (and host their own forums).
I don't know if this is The End, The Beginning of the End or even The End of the Beginning (I'll stop before I go too far down the Quo line here). I don't know if us demanding information from C7 is going to make things better or worse. I reckon that as long as we ask for information they know there are people wanting to play the game, they know they've got a market. If we all just quietly move on to other things, they'll let it slide. We can't let them do that.
If we get the 11th Doctor set (and, dare I hope, screen?), then there's a chance that we'll see the other stuff that's in the pipeline.
Of course, there's always the chance that the Mayans were right and then it doesn't matter one way or the other.
Sorry, post got a little out of hand there. I now return you to your regularly scheduled internet.
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Post by stahlman on Jan 20, 2012 20:52:43 GMT
Yes I recall the GW versions of FASA games and the days when White Dwarf was a generic rpg magazine. Even in those days though we had little booklets in Fasa supplements announcing proposed products that never in reality appeared-the same expectations cruelly crushed.
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Post by jeffrywith1e on Jan 21, 2012 15:32:56 GMT
Perhaps the license is open again. If that's the case it seems like maybe Margaret Weis Productions would be a natural fit for this setting.
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Post by garethl on Jan 21, 2012 15:43:55 GMT
Perhaps the license is open again. If that's the case it seems like maybe Margaret Weis Productions would be a natural fit for this setting. Wow, what did I miss? As far as I know, there are delays, but no talk of Cubicle7 losing the license. Great, now I can't get The End by the Doors out of my head!
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Post by Rel Fexive on Jan 21, 2012 18:17:58 GMT
The only talk of that is here, and other places where melodramatic doomsayers gather.
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Post by kingkaddish on Jan 23, 2012 4:05:41 GMT
But I take it that [ATM] there is still no .. [public] word on any DW RPG products for this year at all?
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Post by imajica on Jan 23, 2012 8:38:47 GMT
The only talk of that is here, and other places where melodramatic doomsayers gather. Hey, we've got to go somewhere now that the Golden Lion's closed their back room.
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Post by imajica on Jan 23, 2012 8:40:50 GMT
Yes I recall the GW versions of FASA games and the days when White Dwarf was a generic rpg magazine. Even in those days though we had little booklets in Fasa supplements announcing proposed products that never in reality appeared-the same expectations cruelly crushed. You know I'd forgotten about those! I remember back-page adverts in one supplement advertising the next. "The Other Side of the Brain" for "Shattered Dreams" never turned up, that was a real shame. Crushed expectations all round. Hey ho.
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Post by cliffordjones on Jan 23, 2012 14:06:56 GMT
The only talk of that is here, and other places where melodramatic doomsayers gather. We're doomed I tell ya! we're all doooomed! ;D
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Post by Rel Fexive on Jan 23, 2012 19:23:29 GMT
But I take it that [ATM] there is still no .. [public] word on any DW RPG products for this year at all? Define 'public'. There has been word from folks at C7 that the new edition should be out in April-ish and that the other delayed stuff will follow quickly after. It's just not in the newsletter, presumably because they don't have permission to officially announce it, as usual.
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Post by imajica on Jan 24, 2012 12:46:30 GMT
It's just not in the newsletter, presumably because they don't have permission to officially announce it, as usual. I wonder if they'll have the permission to officially announce it, publicise it, generally let people know it's available once it is out? Will we have to creep into our FLGS and ask for it as "You know, that Cubicle 7 game no-one's allowed to mention" then wait as they pull a plain-wrapped box from under the counter? Will there be a hidden URL to allow us to buy it from RPGNow? Maybe there is! Maybe it's out already - but no-one knows because no-one's allowed to say anything!
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Post by Rel Fexive on Jan 24, 2012 21:35:55 GMT
Heh.
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Post by Corone on Jan 27, 2012 16:16:52 GMT
Just a quick note to say Cubicle 7 still has the license. Eden had massive money and printing troubles which is why Buffy stopped and they let the license fade out. Cubicle 7 just has too much going on!
Its also possible their BBC contact is actually one of the Silence and so they keep forgetting the production dates after the meeting :-)
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Post by garethl on Jan 27, 2012 19:04:10 GMT
Just a quick note to say Cubicle 7 still has the license. Eden had massive money and printing troubles which is why Buffy stopped and they let the license fade out. Cubicle 7 just has too much going on! Good to hear! I was getting worried, where there is smoke there is fire you know. Or not, in this case.
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Post by Kit on Jan 28, 2012 7:39:09 GMT
Just a quick note to say Cubicle 7 still has the license. Eden had massive money and printing troubles which is why Buffy stopped and they let the license fade out. Cubicle 7 just has too much going on! Honestly, this is the crux of a lot of the complaints we hear when we support/defend Cubicle 7. That Cubicle 7 is focused on properties like The One ring to the detriment of DWAITAS. Sadly, as long as Cubicle 7 is able to continue publishing new TOR products while not publishing DWAITAS products this feeling is going to persist. Its a sticky thing. I think we all want Cubicle 7 to be successful and it appears TOR is helping with that, so no one wants that to stop. But Cubicle 7 needs to publish DWAITAS material too to re-energize that fan base. Damn, I wish i had a solution.
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Post by Corone on Jan 28, 2012 13:34:01 GMT
Just a quick note to say Cubicle 7 still has the license. Eden had massive money and printing troubles which is why Buffy stopped and they let the license fade out. Cubicle 7 just has too much going on! Honestly, this is the crux of a lot of the complaints we hear when we support/defend Cubicle 7. That Cubicle 7 is focused on properties like The One ring to the detriment of DWAITAS. Sadly, as long as Cubicle 7 is able to continue publishing new TOR products while not publishing DWAITAS products this feeling is going to persist. Its a sticky thing. I think we all want Cubicle 7 to be successful and it appears TOR is helping with that, so no one wants that to stop. But Cubicle 7 needs to publish DWAITAS material too to re-energize that fan base. Damn, I wish i had a solution. To be fair, C7 haven't prioritized One Ring as a line, they just focused on getting the core boxed set out as without that there is no game. I could certainly appreciate One Ring fans getting upset if their game wasn't out and C7 was spending all its time on reissuing the Who boxed set! :-) As far as I know, One Ring as a line is no more important than Doctor Who, although it does have a quicker approvals process.
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Post by stahlman on Jan 28, 2012 17:46:31 GMT
I think I would challenge that presumption. TOR is going to have the opportunity to be even more popular when The Hobbit comes out this year-if I was C7 I would want to ride that wave.
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Post by dragoncymru on Jan 28, 2012 18:21:47 GMT
And Doctor Who is 50 in 2013 - I'd want to ride THAT wave too!
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Post by stahlman on Jan 28, 2012 21:35:27 GMT
To us its an important event-but it won't mean the same to the suits
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Post by brainsnaffler on Jan 29, 2012 9:22:49 GMT
Imo, kit is bang on with his earlier post. Everyone knows and respect the fact that C7 are committed to Dr who as they are all their games. Yes they want to get tor out in time for the hobbit, but seriously...how much time would it take to do a poster, or a simple web page, or even just a post giving a brief message now and again to say hang on in there?!
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Post by brainsnaffler on Jan 29, 2012 9:32:34 GMT
In fact it'd be a good idea to start the process of approval for their future sets now and just not tell us so that were not waiting for 12 months plus in the future for the next box set
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Post by Stormcrow on Jan 30, 2012 16:00:49 GMT
Players of The One Ring are also complaining that updates and new products are slow or not appearing. It's not just Doctor Who.
These are the realities of publishing.
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Post by Rel Fexive on Jan 30, 2012 19:37:48 GMT
In fact it'd be a good idea to start the process of approval for their future sets now and just not tell us so that were not waiting for 12 months plus in the future for the next box set Of course, they do need approval once stuff has been written, and then again layout is done, too. So it's not like they can get approval now, then do all the work and release it immediately after that; it's a step by step process, as far as I am aware.
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