stahlman
3rd Incarnation
Doctor, stop wasting my time, will you?
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Post by stahlman on Dec 8, 2011 22:02:46 GMT
Goody-am holding my breath
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Post by dragoncymru on Dec 8, 2011 22:40:09 GMT
Goody-am holding my breath I wouldn't if I were you...
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Post by Rel Fexive on Dec 8, 2011 23:11:45 GMT
Heh. Could be risky, yeah.
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stahlman
3rd Incarnation
Doctor, stop wasting my time, will you?
Posts: 222
Favourite Doctors: second,third,fourth
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Post by stahlman on Dec 11, 2011 18:05:48 GMT
Gasp-splutter
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Post by dragoncymru on Dec 11, 2011 23:10:11 GMT
Quick - someone pass the oxygen!! Told ya....
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Post by ugavine on Dec 14, 2011 8:32:08 GMT
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infinitydoctor
2nd Incarnation
Posts: 116
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Traits: Run For Your Life! Technically Adept, Forgetful, Impulsive, Phobia (Snakes)
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Post by infinitydoctor on Dec 14, 2011 21:25:14 GMT
To summarise, for those who don't want to listen (and I only listened cos I'm waiting for Star Wars The Old Republic to finish patching!): The release order begins with the Eleventh Doctor revised edition. "When that's out, and the BBC are happy with us..." we get the Time Travellers Companion - how TARDISes work, background on Gallifrey, other methods of travelling through time and handling time in your games. Then, Defending The Earth, the UNIT sourcebook, which covers the history of UNIT and puts "a militaristic spin on the game". Next is The Doctor Who GM's Guide, "How to be Steven Moffat in a boxed set", running games, setting up campaigns, handling problems, writing Dr Who style adventures etc. Worryingly, the guy says "if we get all that out next year, or the first half of next year, we'll be very happy.." I don't think they have tie-ins with the anniversary as such, they say that with the anniversary coming up they have plans for "Classic" Doctor by Doctor products which will be an in-depth look at that Doctor's era, the kind of adventures he went on and advice on running adventures in that period. (They've spoken about these before though, and at the rate they release stuff, we'll be on the 75th Anniversary before we get to Patrick Troughton...) So basically, they don't tell us anything we didn't already know..... But, cynicism aside for a moment, they are decent products and I'll be happy to pick em up (if they ever arrive).
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Post by dragoncymru on Dec 14, 2011 23:11:13 GMT
I find these fairly hollow words. After all, Dragonmeet was on Nov 26th - nearly 3 weeks ago. A long time for things to change and be delayed.
Since then we've had NO word on any release dates of anything bar 'sometime in Feb or March'.
Also, do we have any confirmation of the content? Where does it go upto? 'Wedding of River Song'? 'A Good Man Goes to War'? 'A Christmas Carol'? 'The Big Bang'??
PDF files of the set which were promised on 27th Oct to be out before Xmas have failed to materialise.
A bi-weekly newsletter promised at the same time has not materialised either. In fact it's been over 7 weeks since the promise of the first issue that was 'imminent' back then...
Nearly a week ago it was still imminent...
Yet still nothing...
4 products in 2012 - let alone 'the frst half of 2012' - no chance!
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Post by cliffordjones on Dec 17, 2011 9:10:21 GMT
Cubicle 7 need to get a new line manager for DWAiTaS. One that can actually get product released.
One that can organize a piss-up in a brewery would be a start.
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stahlman
3rd Incarnation
Doctor, stop wasting my time, will you?
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Post by stahlman on Dec 17, 2011 11:43:15 GMT
I didn't realise that they were a wee bit bigger these days.They are part of the Rebellion group I'm told. Rebellion also produce 2000AD and are involved in the new Judge Dredd movie. I think Mongoose used to be with Rebellion but split off. C7 has a huge range of stuff but it seems they should have enough resources to get out more than 3 DW products in nearly 3 years.
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Post by Rel Fexive on Dec 17, 2011 14:46:37 GMT
Cubicle 7 need to get a new line manager for DWAiTaS. One that can actually get product released. One that can organize a piss-up in a brewery would be a start. One suspects that most of the delay is down to the approval process and the progress (or not) of the company's other products holding up progress on the Who ones. There's only so many layout, editing or writing folks available to all the products, after all. Check out the latest production news here.
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Post by dragoncymru on Dec 17, 2011 15:12:48 GMT
So I assume that's the newsetter issue 1?
It's nice to see some news - even though it's not particularly good news again.
The Core set is now, wait for it.... April 2012!!
(So I was right after all ;D)
The next question is, of course, where does it go upto??
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Post by Corone on Dec 17, 2011 16:03:40 GMT
So I assume that's the newsetter issue 1? It's nice to see some news - even though it's not particularly good news again. The Core set is now, wait for it.... April 2012!! (So I was right after all ;D) The next question is, of course, where does it go up to?? The new set covers up to the end of season 5 as far as I'm aware. There was a conversation about adding the new season 6 beasties, but that would have added more delays as sections were rewritten.
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Post by Corone on Dec 17, 2011 16:13:38 GMT
Cubicle 7 need to get a new line manager for DWAiTaS. One that can actually get product released. One that can organize a piss-up in a brewery would be a start. Actually, the line developers are just responsible for getting the books up to the layout stage. In this Gareth has done extremely well, kicking the older books into shape and adding more to the list. There have been plenty of well organised piss ups in a variety or brewerys, you just haven't seen them. I didn't realise that they were a wee bit bigger these days.They are part of the Rebellion group I'm told. Rebellion also produce 2000AD and are involved in the new Judge Dredd movie. I think Mongoose used to be with Rebellion but split off. C7 has a huge range of stuff but it seems they should have enough resources to get out more than 3 DW products in nearly 3 years. That is indeed true, C7 and Mongoose were both bought by Rebellion, but Mongoose is back to being on its own now. While we haven't seen much Doctor Who, remember its not their only line. They have produced One Ring, Airship Pirates, The Laundry, several third party publisher products and supplements for Victoriana and others. They've actually produced a lot of product this year, just not as much for the Doctor Who line as they would have liked.
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stahlman
3rd Incarnation
Doctor, stop wasting my time, will you?
Posts: 222
Favourite Doctors: second,third,fourth
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Post by stahlman on Dec 17, 2011 17:46:00 GMT
I accept that of course-their Cthulhu books alone are really impressive and The One Ring is obviously a biggie for rpgers. Dr Who as a licensed product has a certain constraint around its longevity. After all we saw that with the FASA game. So: they need to get their stuff produced and on the shelves or risk missing the more casual market.
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rsaintjohn
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Post by rsaintjohn on Dec 18, 2011 1:26:46 GMT
Aaannnnndddd.... A Happy One Year Anniversary to this thread
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Post by dragoncymru on Dec 18, 2011 6:39:59 GMT
Aaannnnndddd.... A Happy One Year Anniversary to this thread Incredible isn't it. And for a product that will be almost 2 years out of date by the time it reaches us!
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Post by cliffordjones on Dec 18, 2011 7:26:08 GMT
Cubicle 7 need to get a new line manager for DWAiTaS. One that can actually get product released. One that can organize a piss-up in a brewery would be a start. One suspects that most of the delay is down to the approval process Check out the latest production news here.I don't suspect this. More, I am starting to suspect that it has become a most convenient excuse for delays caused by other reasons. What I actually suspect to be the main cause of delays is that C7 has simply bitten off more than it can chew with regards to its release schedule across all products. There have been significant delays in other lines too. I imagine there to be some sort of ongoing prioritizing process where it is decided which products to focus limited resources on at any given moment and which can wait. Quite why DWAiTaS keeps getting pushed to the back of the queue is hard to say. Perhaps it is because it is so easy to point a finger of blame at the BBC. Perhaps it is because that, no matter how much the fanbase moans, they will still buy the product however late it arrives. Yes the BBC has a reputation for being byzantine and glacial in its dealings with others. Yet other companies manage to produce licensed DW key rings or mini figures or sandwich boxes or back packs or whatever. If this really is the main reason for such long delays then I really think that C7 need to think about employing someone who has the business and interpersonal skills necessary to be able to more effectively navigate past these issues. In short they need someone capable of 'playing with the big boys' like the Beeb.
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Post by cliffordjones on Dec 18, 2011 7:47:26 GMT
Actually, the line developers are just responsible for getting the books up to the layout stage. In this Gareth has done extremely well, kicking the older books into shape and adding more to the list. There have been plenty of well organised piss ups in a variety or brewerys, you just haven't seen them. Regardless of actual job title, there should be someone somewhere within the infrastructure of C7 who is individually responsible for orchestrating all work done on new DWAiTaS product, right up to the "here it is in my hand" actual final release of said product. If there exists no such person then, well... TA DA! There's your problem right there. If someone is currently employed in such a role then, IMHO, they have managed a pretty piss poor job of it so far.
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infinitydoctor
2nd Incarnation
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Traits: Run For Your Life! Technically Adept, Forgetful, Impulsive, Phobia (Snakes)
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Post by infinitydoctor on Dec 18, 2011 10:00:15 GMT
Yet other companies manage to produce licensed DW key rings or mini figures or sandwich boxes or back packs or whatever. Approvals on a single-image based physical product are very different to those involving text and layout scrutiny, but even so, you'd have to be making a right hash of things for that process to take two years... (Green Ronin, I'm looking at you too...! )
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Post by imajica on Dec 18, 2011 10:21:38 GMT
Yet other companies manage to produce licensed DW key rings or mini figures... To divert the thread for a second - I have to wonder if the BBC is having a say in which toys are produced? Because they're killing the line as far as my kids are concerned. Oh, another 11th Doctor with a slightly different shirt/bow tie/beard/fez/stetson. Oh, a minor character we all hated/was on screen for less than 3 seconds before dying. And then, of course, there's this: www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-16207688Won't be needing those Amy/Rory character sheets for much longer!
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Post by Rel Fexive on Dec 18, 2011 12:21:36 GMT
I don't suspect this. More, I am starting to suspect that it has become a most convenient excuse for delays caused by other reasons. What I actually suspect to be the main cause of delays is that C7 has simply bitten off more than it can chew with regards to its release schedule across all products. There have been significant delays in other lines too. Just correcting your initial quote of my post to include the bit where I mentioned the other products affecting the schedule. Just so we all know I wasn't saying it was just the one thing causing delays.
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Post by cliffordjones on Dec 18, 2011 12:46:04 GMT
Just correcting your initial quote of my post to include the bit where I mentioned the other products affecting the schedule. Just so we all know I wasn't saying it was just the one thing causing delays. Hi Rel, it wasn't my intention to create a misleading impression of what you originally posted. I was just focussing on the part that I felt a need to respond to.
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Post by Rel Fexive on Dec 18, 2011 12:53:28 GMT
No problem!
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Post by Curufea on Dec 19, 2011 22:54:55 GMT
In disheartening news- I just received the e-newsletter "Gamer News from Cubicle 7: 19 December 2011" No mention of upcoming or even existing DWAITAS products.
The "Coming Soon"
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Rassilon
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Post by Rassilon on Dec 20, 2011 3:31:23 GMT
BTW Curufea, congrats on being the first member (including staff) to reach 1000 posts.
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Post by olegrand on Dec 20, 2011 8:24:23 GMT
So, the news are finally here... and they are : NO NEWS. I don't want to play Cassandra here but doesn't it feel like C7 is "fading out" of Dwaitas... as if they were trying to prepare us for some Really Bad News in a few months ? I sincerely hope I'm wrong...
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misterharry
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Post by misterharry on Dec 20, 2011 8:44:36 GMT
I really hope so too. I guess in part it depends on what is meant by "early 2012" - not having received the newsletter, I don't know if that is clarified, but it could mean Jan-March, for example, and the most recent info we have for the 11th Doctor Ed is April.
Over on the C7 forums, Kaemaril has commented about the lack of DWAiTS products in the list, specifically mentioning the pdf of the 11th Doctor Edition which was supposedly "coming soon in 2012".
Dom's response is: "I was using that column for physical release timings, but the PDF can sometimes be in advance. I'll have a think about how to present the info differently."
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Post by Curufea on Dec 20, 2011 8:50:48 GMT
BTW Curufea, congrats on being the first member (including staff) to reach 1000 posts. Thanks! I'll try to make some more of them actually content-worthy In thread relevant news, this was just posted at Boardgame Geek
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Post by imajica on Dec 20, 2011 13:12:37 GMT
So, the news are finally here... and they are : NO NEWS. I don't want to play Cassandra here but doesn't it feel like C7 is "fading out" of Dwaitas... as if they were trying to prepare us for some Really Bad News in a few months ? I sincerely hope I'm wrong... I would offer up Welcome to Sunnydale, the Angel Investigator's Handbook, Tea and Crossbows and other planned products by Eden Studios as evidence of Really Bad News after a string of production delays. And dammit, I'm still waiting on "The Other Side of the Brain" for Shattered Dreams. But C7 seem to be a crew of eternal optimists. So it will all happen in 2012! The PDF will be out in March, the new box in April! And then all the other stuff over the summer.
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