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Post by Catsmate on Mar 30, 2024 14:19:46 GMT
OK, this is an odd one (even my my standards) and a bit of background may be useful. I was musing on the backstory for a 'next season' when this oddity popped into my mind during a rather tedious work meeting where I must have appeared highly industrious....
The Technician and the Hunters.
It all started not long after Milanie graduated from university, BSc and MSc, she didn’t have the money for the PhD she wanted. Well not yet anyway, and she needed money for basics and loan repayments. So she took a rather odd, sketchy sounding, job in computer engineering for a privacy obsessed billionaire.
Hell, the whole thing had shades of a Supervillain, complete with a private island. No Volcano though.
The job turned out to be even weirder than she's expected, and far more dangerous. Her boss was a meglomaniacal idiot, but one with lots of money, and an obsession with compliant women and alien technology. And, if not a private army, certainly a platoon or so of armed goons.
OK, she'd heard the rumours but actual alien tech? Interesting.
Well she was being generously paid, into a very private account. Enough for whatever education she wanted, and a life of luxury, for a few years, or her own start-up. Plus there was the self-awarded bonus money; her boss too arrogant to waste effort on organising proper infosec. She’s used that to ensure she wouldn’t ‘disappear’.
And the compliant girls were a nice windfall.
About eight months later the hunter came in the night, looking for her boss. He was good and well equipped, and managed to avoid most of the sensors. Milanie glitched the others.
After looking at the situation, watching the intruder’s progress on her screens, Milanie decided it was time to act; even if this man was beaten, killed, there would be more; the game was ending. Then the hunter made a mistake and the alarms sounded and there was no time to think it over further.
Milanie decided it was time to resign, for a quick change of her coat and the implementation of a variation of her own retirement and departure plan. Saving his life, from an ambush she'd organised for the purpose, Milanie teamed up with the man who called himself Martin, to rescue his partner and bring down her boss. A bit predictable, she thought, like a mediocre thriller.
But she’s been living in an underground base on a private island for the last eight months.
Martin’s partner, and wife she surmised from the way he kept looking at the ring, had really rolled a critical failure for creating her fake background. She’d been found out as an infiltrator at her initial interview, and was destined for 'reprocessing'.
A pity, Milanie thought, she rather liked athletic black girls. But sacrifices were sometimes needed. And maybe she could find Michaela the hunter in the future.
The running battle through the base lasted nearly two hours, a mess of stalk and ambush, lying and deceit, and a lot of killing later. Then the three of them were boarding a freshly fuelled motor yacht, along with a dozen or so dazed 'processed' girls (whom she'd had the presence of mind to drug, to avoid undesirable revelations). Also on board with them, though her temporary allies didn't know it, several duffel bags of cash, valuables and miscellaneous bits of alien and copied technology she'd paused to 'souvenir'.
Though all that wasn't as valuable as the quartet of multi-terabyte thumbdrives she had hidden about her person.
Scientia potentia est.
Behind them fires raged and over-ridden controls opened the sea-water inlets and allowed the cold, cold, water to meet with even colder deuterium and helium cells.
The explosion was like something from a Bond film, without the fireballs.
Then the fusion reactor lost plasma containment and there was a 'whoof' audible two hundred kilometres from the island, and a flash that lit the near dawn sky.
She sat on the stern of the boat and recorded it for posterity, while the Martin competently guided towards yacht to a quiet inlet on the Canadian pacific coast and his recovered partner talked on a liberated sat-phone.
Milanie smiled to herself and sighed contentedly. Her horizons had been broadened, she had a lot of money and her brain buzzled with the possibilities. Now she’d have to concentrate on her cover story.
Nearing the coast the two hunters bade her goodbye as they lowered the yacht’s tender and headed off, appositely, into the sunrise. Michaela left the phone with Milanie and advised her to contact the same mysterious international/global organisation they'd arranged to handle the cover-up.
Milanie made appropriately grateful noises to them and they departed.
She’d had considered killing the pair of hunters but once they'd talked to outsiders that became unnecessarily dangerous, and an overly complete conclusion to the episode, with only her and the girls surviving, would be artistic, rather than true to life. People would be curious, and suspicious. With the hunters alive to support her story she’d have more coverage.
And maybe she'd look them up in the future. The girl at least.
Then Milanie called the law firm she’s looked up weeks before and rapidly bluffed her way to a partner’s private cell number.
After a brief description of the situation he arranged to meet her later that morning and to create a public stink if he couldn’t. She wasn’t as surprised that morning and she’d have been a week earlier at his lack of astonishment on hearing her story.
On the way to the city where she was expected Milanie administered a dose of the antidote for the tranquiliser to the girls and put them to work, giving their conditioned minds detailed instructions.
No time for fun, yet.
She carefully packed most of her ill-gotten gains into three steel fuel drums, emptied of their contents and cleaned quickly. Adding some ballast to each one, she sealed them and linked them by ropes attached to more weight. A quick alteration to the yacht’s course, just a little bit of a divergence, and they were over the spot. She dropped the drums over the stern into fifty metres of water. Carefully noting the position to the metre.
She'd recover them later. First she had her innocence to establish and accommodation to arrange.
Milanie had kept rather a lot of money, several briefcases of banknotes. Rather awkward to use in these days but she'd figured the skeleton of a plan.
Approaching the harbour she phoned the number she'd been given and waited, though the unmarked military helicopter circling above made this obviously unnecessary. It wasn't even five minutes until the patrol boat arrived to ‘assist her’. They were courteous, not even pointing the cannon or machine-guns at the yacht.
Ropes were thrown and secured and a party came over, heavily armed.
In a few minutes the yacht was being crewed by a couple of the obvious military types in black fatigues and armour, with a half-dozen more, toting enough firepower for a miniature war, standing around looking tough in the manner of such.
Milanie smiled to herself.
The debrief started at once, even before they tied up at an isolated and well-guarded pier. Milanie told the friendly seeming woman with captain's pips on her shoulder-boards her story, with just a soupçon of edits.
Student, desperate for job, in over her head, criminal mastermind. The latter actually sounded corny to her, despite it being true, but the officer took it all in, making notes as well as recording everything.
Milanie carefully told them everything that the hunters had seen or could have surmised, or that might be on the computers' offsite backups.
She handed over the money willingly to the officer but said she'd be suing her former employer. When Milanie named the law firm she had retained even the officer’s composure couldn’t hide a slight winch. The captain advised against a lawsuit, the government would take care of that. So Milanie, oh so reluctantly, accepted a share of the cash, quietly laundered into a new account complete with tax records by the government. Plus a share of the government’s ‘asset recovery’ from her former boss. It was easier than trying to pass or deposit a briefcase full of C-notes.
She didn’t want the boat.
Her bag of alien oddities and records was gratefully received and Milanie gave a few details she knew about them. Likewise some SSDs that contained her former employer's files. Nothing spectacular, anything she knew or suspected was really interesting was safely under fifty metres of water.
The survivors were taken ashore, the girls expressing a wish to stay with her for the moment, crediting her with saving their lives. Just as she’d programmed them to do.
Milanie experienced a momentary anxiety that this agency, whatever it was, might be able to able to detect, or, far worse, fix, their mental conditioning, but judging from her own, the medicals were pretty superficial.
The girls were obviously no-more than they seemed, toys acquired by her boss for his plans and power games.
That day they were transferred, in a convoy of government cars, to a large house in a secluded, gated, community about twenty kilometres outside of the city. The house was comfortable and staffed but she had no illusions that it was lacking in surveillance. They were, after all, material witnesses.
After a few more days of debriefing and background checking, and the girls were released. Milanie didn't mind, they knew how to contact her.
Her own situation was more complex. While the mysterious agency didn't seem to suspect the truth, unless they were playing a really subtle long game, they did want to know whatever she knew about the alien technology, most of it so unfortunately destroyed. Milanie cooperated, she was playing a long game of her own.
After they seemed to be satisfied, Milanie was told she was free to go, but asked about her plans. She told them a modicum of the truth; a spot of R&R, buying a house and going back to college in the autumn.
She also mentioned maybe getting in touch with some of her fellow survivors, to test the waters.
The agents seemed happy with this, especially as she was cooperative with their desire for secrecy.
Naturally she didn't mention the contents of a warehouse in Spain that wasn’t listed on the files she’d handed over, or some of her employer's really private bank accounts, and her plans for them.
And so, four weeks after encountering Martin the hunter Milanie entered the comfortable and spacious apartment she'd leased for a few months while she house-hunted and prepared for the new college term. Her application to the doctoral programme has been approved with unacademic alacrity.
She'd let a couple of months pass to allow the surveillance on her to be pulled and then start her own plans.
Milanie grinned openly in the empty room. She was going to be rather more subtle and careful than her former employer.
OK, that's it ftm. Hopefully stats and a master plan will follow.
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Post by lupercal on Mar 31, 2024 21:59:05 GMT
Yes! A SMART villain. Someone who plans ahead without megalomania. This could be a devious and hard-fought opponent of the Doctor, especially if he cannot show proof of what she's doing.
Friendly greetings,
Horus Lupercal.
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Post by thewarchief on Apr 1, 2024 18:29:58 GMT
Just throwing a bunch of spaghetti at you to see what sticks...
1) Just when did this happen? I ask because most of this could have happened twenty, thirty, forty, fifty years ago, or some such and "now" Milanie could be set up and running whatever plan she came up with. Then you could have er be the source for some bits of tech that are ubiquitous today, such as flash drives, blu-ray drives, smartphones etc. That would help to establish her as a smart someone in your adventure and possible leave some sort of back door for her to exploit. For instance, what is she had smart devices listening in for double heartbeats in order to detect/locate a particular busy body?
2) What if her not so smart meglomanical employer had been someone like the Master and their whole plan was to set up Milanie to be a future baddie as part of some long game plan? They could have fed her a particular bit of tech to accomplish something or even to serve as a diversion. For instance, is she got some sort of transmitter that was really an emergency SOS beacon from a Dalek, she might attract some unwanted attention. Basically she is being played but in a way that she'd have no reason to understand.
3) What are her long term goals? Does she want to be rich? Powerful? Does she just want to learn new things? That will determine what sort of villain she is, and what sort of things she would try to do? What if she is really altruistic and wants to cure cancer or some such and is "bending the rules" for a good cause? What are a few lives if it ends cancer or double the human lifespan?
4) Assuming she has any sort of success, how will "the powers that be respond" once they have an inkling of what she is doing? Will they try to shut her down like her employer? Or try to make some deal with her ("We don't mind if you develop and sell a disintergrator cannon, provided we're the ones you sell it to."). Maybe they try to take over?
5) What if one or more of the various characters involved are clones of some sort? Maybe that ring that Martin kept looking at wasn't a wedding ring, but instead some sort of DNA record similar to how Eldrad's ring worked in Hand of Fear? Or even some other bit of very important information. Imagine if there was some sort of Sontaran cloning chamber lying around and somebody wanted to use it to clone some superior soldiers? Imagine how that could go wrong. What if there is another Milanie running around that the "real" Milanie doesn't know about?
6) What one of your various cadres of characters do you see dealing with this? You could tie stuff together. For instance, remember that mysterious company that got shut down whose lab got taken over by the Wrecking Crew? What if they worked for the megalomaniac who got shut down here?
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Post by Catsmate on Apr 2, 2024 12:59:51 GMT
Yes! A SMART villain. Someone who plans ahead without megalomania. This could be a devious and hard-fought opponent of the Doctor, especially if he cannot show proof of what she's doing. Friendly greetings, Horus Lupercal.
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It's complicated....
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Post by Catsmate on Apr 2, 2024 13:20:22 GMT
Just throwing a bunch of spaghetti at you to see what sticks...  Please don't. T is doing spagbol later and we don't want another Incident at Dinner.1) Just when did this happen? I ask because most of this could have happened twenty, thirty, forty, fifty years ago, or some such and "now" Milanie could be set up and running whatever plan she came up with. Then you could have er be the source for some bits of tech that are ubiquitous today, such as flash drives, blu-ray drives, smartphones etc. That would help to establish her as a smart someone in your adventure and possible leave some sort of back door for her to exploit. For instance, what is she had smart devices listening in for double heartbeats in order to detect/locate a particular busy body?
Milanie is not, as of her escape, aware of Time Lords (they do not figure much in my games and the Doctor is always off-stage). Wrt to detecting him/her, it'a also canon that Time Lords have a significantly lower body temperature, easily detectable by modern thermographs or indeed sensors in doorknobs.
2) What if her not so smart meglomanical employer had been someone like the Master and their whole plan was to set up Milanie to be a future baddie as part of some long game plan? They could have fed her a particular bit of tech to accomplish something or even to serve as a diversion. For instance, is she got some sort of transmitter that was really an emergency SOS beacon from a Dalek, she might attract some unwanted attention. Basically she is being played but in a way that she'd have no reason to understand. 3) What are her long term goals? Does she want to be rich? Powerful? Does she just want to learn new things? That will determine what sort of villain she is, and what sort of things she would try to do? What if she is really altruistic and wants to cure cancer or some such and is "bending the rules" for a good cause? What are a few lives if it ends cancer or double the human lifespan? 4) Assuming she has any sort of success, how will "the powers that be respond" once they have an inkling of what she is doing? Will they try to shut her down like her employer? Or try to make some deal with her ("We don't mind if you develop and sell a disintergrator cannon, provided we're the ones you sell it to."). Maybe they try to take over?
That's what the small organisations in my Whoniverse survive by being useful and/or maintaining a deterrent capability (bigger friends or, saw, a bunch of kinetic weapons in orbit).5) What if one or more of the various characters involved are clones of some sort? Maybe that ring that Martin kept looking at wasn't a wedding ring, but instead some sort of DNA record similar to how Eldrad's ring worked in Hand of Fear? Or even some other bit of very important information. Imagine if there was some sort of Sontaran cloning chamber lying around and somebody wanted to use it to clone some superior soldiers? Imagine how that could go wrong. What if there is another Milanie running around that the "real" Milanie doesn't know about?
And you've mad me think of the Sontaran cloning pool and Martha/Michaela. And this comic (last panel).....
6) What one of your various cadres of characters do you see dealing with this? You could tie stuff together. For instance, remember that mysterious company that got shut down whose lab got taken over by the Wrecking Crew? What if they worked for the megalomaniac who got shut down here?
But I need a plan for her first.
And that's a lovely idea for dropping her in with the Crew. Might UNIT's clean-up crew missed something in a sub-basement that Milanie wants?
Lovely ideas, thanks.
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Post by thewarchief on Apr 2, 2024 15:43:01 GMT
Please don't. T is doing spagbol later and we don't want another Incident at Dinner. Yes, those who don't remember the pasta are condemned to repeat it. Hopefully with a nice Chianti. And now you know why I shouldn't pasta until after I had my coffee. That is, I agree rather ambiguous. I based Michaela and Martin (as you've probably guessed) on Micky and Martha, so there's not reason not to have the episode in or around 2009. In fact I think I'll work from that premise. Okay 2009. So Mil's has had about 15 years to work on her plan. She should have gotten something up and running.
Milanie is not, as of her escape, aware of Time Lords (they do not figure much in my games and the Doctor is always off-stage). Wrt to detecting him/her, it'a also canon that Time Lords have a significantly lower body temperature, easily detectable by modern thermographs or indeed sensors in doorknobs.
That works out fine story wise. IMO it's probably best if she isn't aware of Time travel (yet), as it has featured heavily in you last few stories so you can keep it out of this one, to start. I never thought of dropping the Master (or similar) in the mix. An interesting idea. He works. Classic series Master would come up with soem interesting plots and play the long game (although with a TARDIS it might have only seemed like the long game to those taking the long way 'round). With your timeline you could also make your baddie a henchman of the Harold Saxon Master who gets taken down after series 3 (the end of 2008). What if...Saxon commandeered the Sontaran cloning vats following the events of the Poison Sky (since he designed the Valiant he was probably on good terms with UNIT at the time), then he gave some of the technology to Dr. Lazarus (tying in nicely with The Lazarus Experiment and the connection with Saxon), but also set up the cloning vats somewhere else to see about possibly raising a clone army (the Sontarans did it before Star Wars). Milanie was involved at that facility, which got shut down after Saxon killed the U.S. President. Oh, and Michaela could not just be based on Martha, but could be an actual clone of Martha. Her template was still in the vat's programming following Poison Sky. Perhaps the Master was planning on substituting his clone Martha for the real one, but that became moot when the Doctor boarded the Valiant. So maybe there is one or more clone Marthas out there. Oh, and I got some more for this idea below. Well I intended her personality to be a psychopath/sociopath mix, or within the APD spectrum in more current jargon. Mainly motivated by power but she's quite capable of pursuing other projects, perhaps beneficial ones, along the way. Okay, so what sort of power?does she want Does she want to rule the world? Does she want to rule a different world? Or maybe she just wants to be a power player for some country or other. Her goals will shape her plans. Does she see advanced alien tech as the way to get there, or was that just a fluke? What is she just wants to be ruler of the Seychelles or some such? The biggest fish in a small pond. Oh yes. The 'Powers that Be' will definitely take notice and either try and co-copt her into the power structure or eliminate her. So she needs to stay secret until she can become sufficiently powerful to maintain her independence. And UNIT (whom I never specifically mentioned....) miss things; her previous employer was taken down by a pair of independent operators, not a Broadsword team. Well, assuming she is intelligent and not a megalomaniac, she will probably realize that "they" will come for her eventually and so it would be better for her to be proactive and approach "them" before she appears to be a threat. Then they would look at her as less of a threat and more of an asset. Which makes them easier for her to handle.
That's what the small organisations in my Whoniverse survive by being useful and/or maintaining a deterrent capability (bigger friends or, saw, a bunch of kinetic weapons in orbit).Well staying off the radar or being in the middle of nowhere could help too. But considering Milanie's history we have to assume that once she starts messing with the exotic stuff, she will raise some red flags somewhere, so she will have to plan for that. Mind you no one suspects dead people of being up to something, so if Mils were to die in a tragic hiking incident, plane crash or some such, she be off the radar. BTW, if she got some money off of some tech, set of a Swiss bank account and then set up shop in Monaco.... Lots of rich jet setter to blend in with (and a good source of protein money), not much military to speak of, and no one is going to notice another Luxury Yatch off the Côte d'Azur. Okay, it's a bit "Bond Villian" but it's not like Doctor Who hasn't gone that route with master villans. Plus unlike the BBC you don't have to pay to shoot it. Wow! All I'd intended was for it to be a wedding ring. Then again in the Whoniverse a ring isn't necessarily just a ring. Well any detail you consider mentioning I consider to be worth mentioning, so I try to figure out the reason why. Just be thankful you didn't have Martin chew on a Tic Tac or I';d have assumed it was some sort of medication to offset a flaw in the cloning process.
And you've mad me think of the Sontaran cloning pool and Martha/Michaela. And this comic (last panel).....How about this for an idea: Say the cloning technology was part of the Master's contingency plan to resurrect himself and the ring stored his template. This would tie right in with the Cult of Saxon and how he got resurrected in the Sound of the Drums. Say the ring was an advanced version of the cloning technology that the Master had created before/while he was PM. Oh, and if you really want to add a dark twist to this, what if the people who shut down "the facility" (that could be a nice nickname for the place) that Milanie worked at were also working for the Master? There orders were to get the ring and then take out the place in order to cover his tracks.It's no good having advanced tehcnology if you let other people get their hands on it too. Since I seem to be on a roll, imagine what normal people (or even Milanie) would do to get their hands on a ring that could clone them a new body and be a key to immortality? [I'll only mention in passing how this could all tie in to your Baba Yaga character as a sort of prequel, with similar origins for both]. Oh and what the Cloning Ring was some sort of Time Lord technology -say a backup that sores genetic data and a matrix imprint that time lords have for dealing with troublesome re generations. Similar tech to the Chameleon Arch. The Master had one at one time, but lost it in his travels. THe First Doctor used to wear such a ring, but it fell off after his "renewal". What if the ring is a single use item and the First Doctor needed/used it to regenerate? The seal of Rassilion could be on a similar ring that Rassilon wore. Maybe the seal symbol itself is a stylized version of the Time Lord equivalent of a double helix. We know that Time Lords have something done to them genetically. Ahhhhhh, there you have me. The idea just came to me and I haven't planned or dropping her in yet. She wouldn't fit in to The Thing In The Basement, which is still set in the 1990s. So maybe a present day mix of the Misfit Mob or Wrecking Crew and the crew of the Achronic Omnibus.
But I need a plan for her first. Yeah. And to have a plan she needs a goal. Get rich, take over a country, set up a surivial shelter and start WWIII, sell out her world to aliens so she can be set up as govenor. Pick something. THen the rest will fall into place.
And that's a lovely idea for dropping her in with the Crew. Might UNIT's clean-up crew missed something in a sub-basement that Milanie wants? Oh, say someone picked up a ring they found on the ground somewhere... Although I kinda like the idea of a Macaw flying past a memeber of the crew and just dropping some document or photo from an old file that give the character a shock and sets things into motion. Like say a photo of a dozen Marthas, or a group of famous people around Harold Saxon, all wearing the same ring. Or, if you really want to bring in a Machiavellian Master, what if he alerts UNIT to her activities in order to "advance the plan". He could literally be setting this all up so that UNIT will recognize some threat, realize they are in over the heads, and call the Doctor for help. Exactly who the Master wanted in the first place. So some world threatening crisis was just his way of getting the Doctor attention. Glad you like them. I was just throwing out some stuff. |
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Post by Catsmate on Apr 3, 2024 9:35:03 GMT
That is, I agree rather ambiguous. I based Michaela and Martin (as you've probably guessed) on Micky and Martha, so there's not reason not to have the episode in or around 2009. In fact I think I'll work from that premise. Okay 2009. So Mil's has had about 15 years to work on her plan. She should have gotten something up and running.
Milanie is not, as of her escape, aware of Time Lords (they do not figure much in my games and the Doctor is always off-stage). Wrt to detecting him/her, it'a also canon that Time Lords have a significantly lower body temperature, easily detectable by modern thermographs or indeed sensors in doorknobs.
That works out fine story wise. IMO it's probably best if she isn't aware of Time travel (yet), as it has featured heavily in you last few stories so you can keep it out of this one, to start. I never thought of dropping the Master (or similar) in the mix. An interesting idea. He works. Classic series Master would come up with soem interesting plots and play the long game (although with a TARDIS it might have only seemed like the long game to those taking the long way 'round). With your timeline you could also make your baddie a henchman of the Harold Saxon Master who gets taken down after series 3 (the end of 2008).
And I do like the idea that her (currently unnamed [my favourite name generator is giving trouble]) Boss was part of Saxon's empire. Perhaps a businessman whom the Master used along his path?
What if...Saxon commandeered the Sontaran cloning vats following the events of the Poison Sky (since he designed the Valiant he was probably on good terms with UNIT at the time), then he gave some of the technology to Dr. Lazarus (tying in nicely with The Lazarus Experiment and the connection with Saxon), but also set up the cloning vats somewhere else to see about possibly raising a clone army (the Sontarans did it before Star Wars). Milanie was involved at that facility, which got shut down after Saxon killed the U.S. President. Oh, and Michaela could not just be based on Martha, but could be an actual clone of Martha. Her template was still in the vat's programming following Poison Sky. Perhaps the Master was planning on substituting his clone Martha for the real one, but that became moot when the Doctor boarded the Valiant. So maybe there is one or more clone Marthas out there. Oh, and I got some more for this idea below. Well I intended her personality to be a psychopath/sociopath mix, or within the APD spectrum in more current jargon. Mainly motivated by power but she's quite capable of pursuing other projects, perhaps beneficial ones, along the way. Okay, so what sort of power?does she want Does she want to rule the world? Does she want to rule a different world? Or maybe she just wants to be a power player for some country or other. Her goals will shape her plans. Does she see advanced alien tech as the way to get there, or was that just a fluke? What is she just wants to be ruler of the Seychelles or some such? The biggest fish in a small pond.
Maybe she's developed a fast-growing artificial coral and grown her own island? There's a legal case that'd take decades.
Or used a gadget to trigger a minor volcanic eruption and a new landmass that way. Island do come and go (well, mainly go).
Oh yes. The 'Powers that Be' will definitely take notice and either try and co-copt her into the power structure or eliminate her. So she needs to stay secret until she can become sufficiently powerful to maintain her independence. And UNIT (whom I never specifically mentioned....) miss things; her previous employer was taken down by a pair of independent operators, not a Broadsword team. Well, assuming she is intelligent and not a megalomaniac, she will probably realize that "they" will come for her eventually and so it would be better for her to be proactive and approach "them" before she appears to be a threat. Then they would look at her as less of a threat and more of an asset. Which makes them easier for her to handle.
That's what the small organisations in my Whoniverse survive by being useful and/or maintaining a deterrent capability (bigger friends or, saw, a bunch of kinetic weapons in orbit).Well staying off the radar or being in the middle of nowhere could help too. But considering Milanie's history we have to assume that once she starts messing with the exotic stuff, she will raise some red flags somewhere, so she will have to plan for that. Mind you no one suspects dead people of being up to something, so if Mils were to die in a tragic hiking incident, plane crash or some such, she be off the radar. BTW, if she got some money off of some tech, set of a Swiss bank account and then set up shop in Monaco.... Lots of rich jet setter to blend in with (and a good source of protein money), not much military to speak of, and no one is going to notice another Luxury Yatch off the Côte d'Azur. Okay, it's a bit "Bond Villian" but it's not like Doctor Who hasn't gone that route with master villans. Plus unlike the BBC you don't have to pay to shoot it.
Then again maybe I can drop in another microstate. I have a fondness for Fraxinet.
A yacht is a good idea.
Wow! All I'd intended was for it to be a wedding ring. Then again in the Whoniverse a ring isn't necessarily just a ring. Well any detail you consider mentioning I consider to be worth mentioning, so I try to figure out the reason why. Just be thankful you didn't have Martin chew on a Tic Tac or I';d have assumed it was some sort of medication to offset a flaw in the cloning process.  I could indeed be something.
And you've mad me think of the Sontaran cloning pool and Martha/Michaela. And this comic (last panel).....How about this for an idea: Say the cloning technology was part of the Master's contingency plan to resurrect himself and the ring stored his template. This would tie right in with the Cult of Saxon and how he got resurrected in the Sound of the Drums. Say the ring was an advanced version of the cloning technology that the Master had created before/while he was PM. Oh, and if you really want to add a dark twist to this, what if the people who shut down "the facility" (that could be a nice nickname for the place) that Milanie worked at were also working for the Master? There orders were to get the ring and then take out the place in order to cover his tracks.It's no good having advanced tehcnology if you let other people get their hands on it too. Since I seem to be on a roll, imagine what normal people (or even Milanie) would do to get their hands on a ring that could clone them a new body and be a key to immortality? [I'll only mention in passing how this could all tie in to your Baba Yaga character as a sort of prequel, with similar origins for both].
Of course it might be a trap, already infused with the bio-print and memories of someone.
Oh and what the Cloning Ring was some sort of Time Lord technology -say a backup that sores genetic data and a matrix imprint that time lords have for dealing with troublesome re generations. Similar tech to the Chameleon Arch. The Master had one at one time, but lost it in his travels. THe First Doctor used to wear such a ring, but it fell off after his "renewal". What if the ring is a single use item and the First Doctor needed/used it to regenerate? The seal of Rassilion could be on a similar ring that Rassilon wore. Maybe the seal symbol itself is a stylized version of the Time Lord equivalent of a double helix. We know that Time Lords have something done to them genetically. Ahhhhhh, there you have me. The idea just came to me and I haven't planned or dropping her in yet. She wouldn't fit in to The Thing In The Basement, which is still set in the 1990s. So maybe a present day mix of the Misfit Mob or Wrecking Crew and the crew of the Achronic Omnibus.
But I need a plan for her first. Yeah. And to have a plan she needs a goal. Get rich, take over a country, set up a surivial shelter and start WWIII, sell out her world to aliens so she can be set up as govenor. Pick something. THen the rest will fall into place.
And that's a lovely idea for dropping her in with the Crew. Might UNIT's clean-up crew missed something in a sub-basement that Milanie wants? Oh, say someone picked up a ring they found on the ground somewhere... Although I kinda like the idea of a Macaw flying past a memeber of the crew and just dropping some document or photo from an old file that give the character a shock and sets things into motion. Like say a photo of a dozen Marthas, or a group of famous people around Harold Saxon, all wearing the same ring.  Hmm, that'd startle some people. Or, if you really want to bring in a Machiavellian Master, what if he alerts UNIT to her activities in order to "advance the plan". He could literally be setting this all up so that UNIT will recognize some threat, realize they are in over the heads, and call the Doctor for help. Exactly who the Master wanted in the first place. So some world threatening crisis was just his way of getting the Doctor attention.
Lovely ideas, thanks.
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Post by thewarchief on Apr 3, 2024 18:53:27 GMT
That works for me. An organisation, bases and a corporate structure intertwined with the mundane economy. Yeah, enough time to build something and get a plan going, Yes. I think a break in the present day for the players and a cross-over with the Mob. Yeah, you don't need time travel for this to work, and your players can focus on the task at hand. Yes, he was good at such plots. And his plots had similar goals. BTW, with the clones and all, the Master's plot could have been to basically redo Terror of the Autons, but replacing the Autons with clones that are more trustworthy, subordinate,and vulnerable to a tissue compressor eliminator. Say he originally was going to replace various leaders with clones. Clones who are either hypnotized, or controlled by some flaw in the cloning process - say a kill switch, probably both, to keep them loyal. But the Toclafane thing worked out first, and this got put on the back burner. Makes me want to throw in a handful of Ogron guards somewhere, "for old times sake." Oh, and you could have the MAster show up near the end of the adventure to congratulate Milanie on executing his plan, revealing ow he left all this stuff for her to find so that she could do what she did in order to advance his plan. Maybe have him co-opt the clones. It's very Delgado Master.
And I do like the idea that her (currently unnamed [my favourite name generator is giving trouble]) Boss was part of Saxon's empire. Perhaps a businessman whom the Master used along his path?
A Cult of Saxon devotee, or someone who was expecting a big payoff of some sort. Maybe Australia? The works well. I rather like the idea of multiple Marthas running around. Yopu could go all Orphan Black with it. Personaly I don't think the aAster would want (or need) a lot of Martha's. Probably only one to replace the real one. But it might have taken the human technicans multiple attempts to get it right. Maybe a "batch" of reject clones didn't want to be "disposed of", and escaped? Martin could be a clone of someone else they needed to replace, or some worker at the facility who fell in love with a clone Martha and tried to rescue her. Oh, and since Martha is a medical doctor, it's possible that a clone (or clones) of Martha could be running the cloning process. Oh, and if it is the clones running the cloneing vat then maybe either the process gets out of hand (ala the Sorcerer's Apprentice) or the clones want to take over the world and replace everybody with clones. I like that! OK then Martin isn't Mickey but Marthac teamed up with him in a similar way. Well he could be a clone of Mickey, but that would mean getting a hold of him sometime after The Stolen Earth, and then sending the clone back in time to 2009 for some reason. The big question though is why clone Mickey? Assuming the Aster is behind this would he want both a Martha & Mickey clone enough to send one back in time? My best answer would be because the real Mickey would probably pick up on the clone Martha being a fake (he is married to Martha) and spoil the plan before the Doctor arrives. But Clone Mickey escaped following the death of Harold Saxon, met Milanie, and later was able to assume the real Micky's identity while Mickey was off on Pete's World. Now we did see the Tenth Doctor save Mickey & MArtha from a Sontaran before his regeneration. So you've got tons of wiggle room for a story with the cloning vats and the Sontarans. Say the cloning vats came on and starting spitting out Sontarans as part of the grand plot, and Mickey & Martha were there to destroy the cloning machine. That would tie Milanie and her story into pre-existing but unexplained events such as the Master's ring and what Mickey & MArtha were doing. Or Martin could be someone else entirely.
Maybe she's developed a fast-growing artificial coral and grown her own island? There's a legal case that'd take decades. Ooh, TARDISes are grown. I'm not saying she is growing one (although the Master would need a new TARDIS), but she could have some adjacent Time Lord tech that speeds the growth. Say the Saxon Master was trying to grown a copy of the Doctor's TARDIS that wasn't locked between two locations. Melanie got a hold of the growth accelerator device and fast growing coral to a new island was the only practical application she could think of. If I recall correctly there is a problem with coral reefs deteriorating in the modern world. What if she started off using the device as a way to repair damaged reefs (not a bad thing, and not something that would get UNIT, the CIA, MI6, FSB or MOSSAD breathing down your neck). This got her some clout with the environmentalists, as well as some needed palatial. A few years later, she is on such good terms with some country that she helped that they let her grow her own island and set up her HQ there, in return for her continued maintenance of their reef system. The most logical place would be on the Great Barrier Reef near Australia (Australia again?!). Yeah there is the Caribbean, but you've already got an adventure there, so lets try the Pacific for a change. Oh, and with the Chinese setting up bases on islands over the past few years, she might have a good relationship with them.
Or used a gadget to trigger a minor volcanic eruption and a new landmass that way. Island do come and go (well, mainly go). I prefer the coral. If she had a device that could trigger an eruption then it would naturally become a main mcguffin for an adventure. Set off voclanoes for power and profit. You could make her responsible for the recent events in Iceland. It's a direction to go in, but I think that is too high profile a device for her to use without drawing too much attention, while growing coral will drop under the radar. Indeed. But with a few aces of her own. Well if she's made a few friends in various governments through the efforts of her "Reef Rescue" company she might not be viewed as much of a threat. I doubt even UNIT are worried about The Invasion of the Coral Reefs. Hmm, perhaps a clone? Or a shimmer to take a new appearance? Or both. She makes a clone that dies in the accident; Milanie sets up a new identity and uses a shimmer. So no one's got any reason to go after Melanie, since she is dead, the fingerprints (and dental records, maybe she is one of those people who genetically don't get cavities) match, case closed. Milanie 2.0 new identity isn't suspect of anything, and would be though more likely to help Greenpeace spray paint baby seals than using alien technology to further some nefarious plan. Basically think of Milanie using Jo Grant's personality as a cover. BTW, I really like the clone body there. It makes sense. If you got cloning technology like that, want to disappear, and don't have any moral qualms about it, a clone body is the way to go. The problem with Monaco, a friend of mine works there, is there is a lot of scrutiny and quite security, French especially. All of which could be a feature rather than a flaw. After all Mil 2 is a respected businesswoman and jet setter with nothing to hide. She could play the part of a well meaning tree hugger, concerned about climate change while zipping around in her corporate jet and private yacht (with helicopter pad). Make her out to be a harmless airhead. Yeah she give money to environmentalist groups, but that just gets her the right amount of scrutiny to cross her off a lot of lists.
Then again maybe I can drop in another microstate. I have a fondness for Fraxinet. You could. It all depends on where you want to set the adventure. For instance if the adventure is going to take place in the UK then the rest is mostly backstory. Same if it happens in Australia (or "nearby" New Zealand). If she has ties with China then Macau isn't a bad spot either. Paul Allen's Octopus was sold in 2021 following his death, to an undiscovsed buyer who was later announced by insideryachtfan.com to be the Swedish "pharma billionaire" Roger Samuelsson. Now Octopus is a floating laboratory with a submarine, ROV, helicopters. Perfect HQ for a Bond Villain, or for an environmental philanthropist, making it good cover. The ship has a history of being loaned out, too. So Mils could score PR points that way. Oh, and me being me, here are the game stats for it: OctopusArmour: 11 Hit Capacity: 54 Speed: S(ea) 3 Tonnage: 9,932 GT, 2,979 NT Displacement 8,850 t Length: 126.20 m (414 ft 1 in) Beam: 21.00 m (68 ft 11 in) Draft: 5.76 m (18 ft 11 in) Ice class" 1A Installed power: 8 diesel engines total 19,200 hp (14,300 kW) Propulsion: 2 propellers Speed: 19 knots (35 km/h; 22 mph) max Range: 12,500 nmi (23,200 km; 14,400 mi) Capacity: 26 Crew: 63 I could indeed be something. Or not. It's up to you. I just point out possiblities for you to work with, or throw out. Ooooo, a couple of defective Master clones, created by someone to use his knowledge. Or an attempt, like Finian, to create a human-Gallifreyan hybrid. Well, if we assume the Harold Saxon Master was behind all this, then the goal was probably to secure him away of coming back, and/or getting him a new TARDIS. A secondary goal might have been to clone troops, either to control the populace or for insterstellar conquest (remember all those rockets?). Now somebody could have co-opted the cloning tech for their own purposes (like remember that terminally ill guy you introduced a few plots ago? IF he could transfer his consciousness into a healthy clone body his problems would be solved), especially after Harold Saxon's plot went belly up. And there is The Lodger. a gadget called the Scarab [/a] that's along similar lines. The ring could be something like that. [/quote] [/font] Yup, it could. The ring being smaller and more compact suggests more advanced tech.
Of course it might be a trap, already infused with the bio-print and memories of someone.
Which begs the question, whose? As much as you might like the idea of multiple Marthas running around, the idea of multiple Masters doing so give me the willies. Although the bio-print could be anybody. A Sontaran bio-print would make a lot of sense too, and tie into what Martha & Mickey were doing in 2010. We seem to be heading along similar lines. Good. It is a lot easier to give you good suggestions where we are on the same page. Mookraker as in wiping out mankind to claim the Earth, or as in making a nuke for Britain? Or do you mean the tone of the adventure in general? Delgado Master does gravitate towards adventures of a Bondian flavor. Roger could have played a great Bond villain. But, back to Milanie, you need to figure out what her goals are to figure out what sort of plot she would run. Plus you need to work out what makes her a Doctor Who antagonist. If she just wants to be rich and successful and after 15 years of success she is probably doing great. So either she wants more, or something goes wrong. Oh, say someone picked up a ring they found on the ground somewhere...
And, despite all the training and warnings, they put it on. Judging by the workers, often former workers, who stick thumbdrives they find outside their building into work PCs it's likely someone would try it on. Yeah. Hey up until a few years ago, I used to plug in USB drives I found alongside on the road. THat was before they came up with the ones that could fry or brick your PC. But imagine if someone like the Master left a computer virus around somewhere to do something for him. Lots of possibilities. Hmm, that'd startle some people. It could be an interesting way to drop story hooks for an adventure onto the PCs. Perhaps for some rather unpleasant adventure. Then you payers can tell what missions are "for the birds" ]That would be in character. Yeah, I was thinking that the Master didn't do this for any particular reason, he just wanted to have a way of calling the Doctor back to Earth at some future time of his choosing. Hey, they distract me and keep me from finishing my Alien & creature index or posting Jupiter 2 stats, so they serve a purpose!  |
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Post by Catsmate on Apr 4, 2024 14:34:08 GMT
Yes, he was good at such plots. And his plots had similar goals. BTW, with the clones and all, the Master's plot could have been to basically redo Terror of the Autons, but replacing the Autons with clones that are more trustworthy, subordinate,and vulnerable to a tissue compressor eliminator. Say he originally was going to replace various leaders with clones. Clones who are either hypnotized, or controlled by some flaw in the cloning process - say a kill switch, probably both, to keep them loyal. But the Toclafane thing worked out first, and this got put on the back burner.
Actually your idea about replacing Autons is giving me an idea about a modified version of 'Polynestene'.
Makes me want to throw in a handful of Ogron guards somewhere, "for old times sake."
Maybe a ship-load of Ogrons crashed on Earth?
Maybe one of the is secretly an intellectually enhanced Ogron, like Garshak?
Oh, and you could have the MAster show up near the end of the adventure to congratulate Milanie on executing his plan, revealing ow he left all this stuff for her to find so that she could do what she did in order to advance his plan. Maybe have him co-opt the clones. It's very Delgado Master.
And I do like the idea that her (currently unnamed [my favourite name generator is giving trouble]) Boss was part of Saxon's empire. Perhaps a businessman whom the Master used along his path?
A Cult of Saxon devotee, or someone who was expecting a big payoff of some sort. Maybe Australia? The works well. I rather like the idea of multiple Marthas running around. Yopu could go all Orphan Black with it. Personaly I don't think the aAster would want (or need) a lot of Martha's. Probably only one to replace the real one. But it might have taken the human technicans multiple attempts to get it right. Maybe a "batch" of reject clones didn't want to be "disposed of", and escaped? Martin could be a clone of someone else they needed to replace, or some worker at the facility who fell in love with a clone Martha and tried to rescue her. Oh, and since Martha is a medical doctor, it's possible that a clone (or clones) of Martha could be running the cloning process. Oh, and if it is the clones running the cloneing vat then maybe either the process gets out of hand (ala the Sorcerer's Apprentice) or the clones want to take over the world and replace everybody with clones. I like that! OK then Martin isn't Mickey but Marthac teamed up with him in a similar way. Well he could be a clone of Mickey, but that would mean getting a hold of him sometime after The Stolen Earth, and then sending the clone back in time to 2009 for some reason. The big question though is why clone Mickey? Assuming the Aster is behind this would he want both a Martha & Mickey clone enough to send one back in time? My best answer would be because the real Mickey would probably pick up on the clone Martha being a fake (he is married to Martha) and spoil the plan before the Doctor arrives. But Clone Mickey escaped following the death of Harold Saxon, met Milanie, and later was able to assume the real Micky's identity while Mickey was off on Pete's World. Now we did see the Tenth Doctor save Mickey & MArtha from a Sontaran before his regeneration. So you've got tons of wiggle room for a story with the cloning vats and the Sontarans. Say the cloning vats came on and starting spitting out Sontarans as part of the grand plot, and Mickey & Martha were there to destroy the cloning machine. That would tie Milanie and her story into pre-existing but unexplained events such as the Master's ring and what Mickey & MArtha were doing. Or Martin could be someone else entirely.
Maybe she's developed a fast-growing artificial coral and grown her own island? There's a legal case that'd take decades. Ooh, TARDISes are grown. I'm not saying she is growing one (although the Master would need a new TARDIS), but she could have some adjacent Time Lord tech that speeds the growth. Say the Saxon Master was trying to grown a copy of the Doctor's TARDIS that wasn't locked between two locations. Melanie got a hold of the growth accelerator device and fast growing coral to a new island was the only practical application she could think of. If I recall correctly there is a problem with coral reefs deteriorating in the modern world. What if she started off using the device as a way to repair damaged reefs (not a bad thing, and not something that would get UNIT, the CIA, MI6, FSB or MOSSAD breathing down your neck). This got her some clout with the environmentalists, as well as some needed palatial. A few years later, she is on such good terms with some country that she helped that they let her grow her own island and set up her HQ there, in return for her continued maintenance of their reef system. The most logical place would be on the Great Barrier Reef near Australia (Australia again?!). Yeah there is the Caribbean, but you've already got an adventure there, so lets try the Pacific for a change. Oh, and with the Chinese setting up bases on islands over the past few years, she might have a good relationship with them.
Or used a gadget to trigger a minor volcanic eruption and a new landmass that way. Island do come and go (well, mainly go). I prefer the coral. If she had a device that could trigger an eruption then it would naturally become a main mcguffin for an adventure. Set off voclanoes for power and profit. You could make her responsible for the recent events in Iceland. It's a direction to go in, but I think that is too high profile a device for her to use without drawing too much attention, while growing coral will drop under the radar. Indeed. But with a few aces of her own. Well if she's made a few friends in various governments through the efforts of her "Reef Rescue" company she might not be viewed as much of a threat. I doubt even UNIT are worried about The Invasion of the Coral Reefs. Hmm, perhaps a clone? Or a shimmer to take a new appearance? Or both. She makes a clone that dies in the accident; Milanie sets up a new identity and uses a shimmer. So no one's got any reason to go after Melanie, since she is dead, the fingerprints (and dental records, maybe she is one of those people who genetically don't get cavities) match, case closed. Milanie 2.0 new identity isn't suspect of anything, and would be though more likely to help Greenpeace spray paint baby seals than using alien technology to further some nefarious plan. Basically think of Milanie using Jo Grant's personality as a cover. BTW, I really like the clone body there. It makes sense. If you got cloning technology like that, want to disappear, and don't have any moral qualms about it, a clone body is the way to go. The problem with Monaco, a friend of mine works there, is there is a lot of scrutiny and quite security, French especially. All of which could be a feature rather than a flaw. After all Mil 2 is a respected businesswoman and jet setter with nothing to hide. She could play the part of a well meaning tree hugger, concerned about climate change while zipping around in her corporate jet and private yacht (with helicopter pad). Make her out to be a harmless airhead. Yeah she give money to environmentalist groups, but that just gets her the right amount of scrutiny to cross her off a lot of lists.
Then again maybe I can drop in another microstate. I have a fondness for Fraxinet. You could. It all depends on where you want to set the adventure. For instance if the adventure is going to take place in the UK then the rest is mostly backstory. Same if it happens in Australia (or "nearby" New Zealand). If she has ties with China then Macau isn't a bad spot either. Paul Allen's Octopus was sold in 2021 following his death, to an undiscovsed buyer who was later announced by insideryachtfan.com to be the Swedish "pharma billionaire" Roger Samuelsson. Now Octopus is a floating laboratory with a submarine, ROV, helicopters. Perfect HQ for a Bond Villain, or for an environmental philanthropist, making it good cover. The ship has a history of being loaned out, too. So Mils could score PR points that way. Oh, and me being me, here are the game stats for it: OctopusArmour: 11 Hit Capacity: 54 Speed: S(ea) 3 Tonnage: 9,932 GT, 2,979 NT Displacement 8,850 t Length: 126.20 m (414 ft 1 in) Beam: 21.00 m (68 ft 11 in) Draft: 5.76 m (18 ft 11 in) Ice class" 1A Installed power: 8 diesel engines total 19,200 hp (14,300 kW) Propulsion: 2 propellers Speed: 19 knots (35 km/h; 22 mph) max Range: 12,500 nmi (23,200 km; 14,400 mi) Capacity: 26 Crew: 63 I could indeed be something. Or not. It's up to you. I just point out possiblities for you to work with, or throw out. Ooooo, a couple of defective Master clones, created by someone to use his knowledge. Or an attempt, like Finian, to create a human-Gallifreyan hybrid. Well, if we assume the Harold Saxon Master was behind all this, then the goal was probably to secure him away of coming back, and/or getting him a new TARDIS. A secondary goal might have been to clone troops, either to control the populace or for insterstellar conquest (remember all those rockets?). Now somebody could have co-opted the cloning tech for their own purposes (like remember that terminally ill guy you introduced a few plots ago? IF he could transfer his consciousness into a healthy clone body his problems would be solved), especially after Harold Saxon's plot went belly up. And there is The Lodger. a gadget called the Scarab that's along similar lines. The ring could be something like that. Yup, it could. The ring being smaller and more compact suggests more advanced tech.
Of course it might be a trap, already infused with the bio-print and memories of someone.
Which begs the question, whose? As much as you might like the idea of multiple Marthas running around, the idea of multiple Masters doing so give me the willies. Although the bio-print could be anybody. A Sontaran bio-print would make a lot of sense too, and tie into what Martha & Mickey were doing in 2010. We seem to be heading along similar lines. Good. It is a lot easier to give you good suggestions where we are on the same page. Mookraker as in wiping out mankind to claim the Earth, or as in making a nuke for Britain? Or do you mean the tone of the adventure in general? Delgado Master does gravitate towards adventures of a Bondian flavor. Roger could have played a great Bond villain. But, back to Milanie, you need to figure out what her goals are to figure out what sort of plot she would run. Plus you need to work out what makes her a Doctor Who antagonist. If she just wants to be rich and successful and after 15 years of success she is probably doing great. So either she wants more, or something goes wrong. Oh, say someone picked up a ring they found on the ground somewhere...
And, despite all the training and warnings, they put it on. Judging by the workers, often former workers, who stick thumbdrives they find outside their building into work PCs it's likely someone would try it on. Yeah. Hey up until a few years ago, I used to plug in USB drives I found alongside on the road. THat was before they came up with the ones that could fry or brick your PC. But imagine if someone like the Master left a computer virus around somewhere to do something for him. Lots of possibilities. Hmm, that'd startle some people. It could be an interesting way to drop story hooks for an adventure onto the PCs. Perhaps for some rather unpleasant adventure. Then you payers can tell what missions are "for the birds"
"Oh crap"]That would be in character. Yeah, I was thinking that the Master didn't do this for any particular reason, he just wanted to have a way of calling the Doctor back to Earth at some future time of his choosing. Hey, they distract me and keep me from finishing my Alien & creature index or posting Jupiter 2 stats, so they serve a purpose! |
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Post by thewarchief on Apr 4, 2024 17:56:50 GMT
The Pertwee era was not big on originality.... I disagree. I think it was restricted by the Doctor's exile. I think Terrance Dicks could be as orginal as any Doctor Who writer, when he was allowed to be. We did get the Sontarans, the Silurians, and the Draconians. But as Letts and Dicks have said, stranding the Doctor on Earth mostly limited them to two types of story: Alien Invasion and Mad Scientist.
Actually your idea about replacing Autons is giving me an idea about a modified version of 'Polynestene'. LOL! Doctor Who and the Polyester InvasionNow the adults will be hiding behind the sofa. As classic as the incompetent Nazi in '70s films. Or 60s televsion "Hogaaann!"
And now you got me thinking of a version of Inferno where Werner Klemperer plays the Brigade Leader, Cynthia Lynn play Liz Shaw, and John Banner plays Benton. Ow.
Maybe a ship-load of Ogrons crashed on Earth?
Maybe one of the is secretly an intellectually enhanced Ogron, like Garshak?
Maybe that's another adventure? I mean a shipload of crashed Orgrons is different than say the Master bring some over to protect some project or other. If Delgado Master set something up in the 70s/80s they could still be guarding the secret base in the 2000s to be cloned. Although, some Ogron in the Pacific Northwest US, perhaps with some dodgy Time Corridor technology could make for a good Bigfoot story. Definitely write the idea down for something. True. But so is being betrayed by an underling. Well, when you pick bad people to be your underlings, they tend to act like, um, bad people. Oh, and the Doctor isn't going to betray his human friends, no matter what he says, except, maybe when he is the Valeyard. If you really want to make this like the aAster, then you have to have him join up with the Doctor at the end to help foil his own plot when it goes awry. Cheaper still if he dies before payday. The Master's not above betraying his underlings, so I guess it's a wash in the end. I like that. Or maybe UNIT ended up with a few of her? Or will end up with a few of her. We don't yet know how your adventure will end. Maybe there is/will be a lab full of cryogenically frozen Marthas in the Black Archive that UNIT doesn't know what to do with? I could see some cloning machining going all Sorcerer's Apprentice and spitting out minions so fast that the situation gets out of control. Maybe they have to clone an army of Marthas to defeat an army of clone aliens? Then afterwards UNIT has to figure out what to do with 244 extra Marthas? Tuck them in the freezer? Set them up in some remote location? Or a clone of Mickey. Though why anyone would do that is another matter. Well one good reason, although it would divert from canon would be if Mickey died and a bereaved Martha tries to clone him to bring him back. Or Mickey could suffer some terminal illness and so she tries to clone him a new body and transfer his consciousness. She has just the right skills and experience for something like that. There are usually reasons, if that is what you want to do. So you can decide who you want him to be and then figure out the whys. For instance, what is Martin was a clone of Jack HArness? Say the Master was trying to see if he could clone Jack's immortality (for his own future use). Jack would know Martha, be tech savvy, and attacking the base is just his style. You can make a case for just about anybody. Clone Brigadier or Clone Benton would work too. Heck I could make a case for Martin being Clone Toberman! Would (an un mind controlled) Martha want a mass of herself running about? No, but could she bring herself to kill them off just because they were clones? She'd probably consider that to be murder. What if the Martha clones switching sides is what won the day? So UNIT would probably have to figure something out. It's great moral dilemma stuff. That's a good justification. Well with TIme travel, advanced technology, and multiple universes it's not hard to come up with something that works. For another take on it, what is this is Mickey from an alternate universe where Lumic's Cyberbermen won, and Micky was one of the handful of people who escaped using the dimension jumping tech seem at the Battle of Canary Wharf.. Clone Martha might a clone of alternate universe Martha. Doctor Who gives you tons of options. The caffeine's kicked in. There is current real world research into fast growing coral, I remember something about it passed over my desk last year. I'll see if I can find it. I could see a story where something goes wrong and it starts to grow uncontrollably, and they need to find a way to destroy it before it engulfs the planet. Absolutely. The Great Barrier Reef could well be gone in a few decades. Not anymore, thanks to Melanie!  Of course the thing is doing something like that can get people to look at her other operations in a favorable light. Yeah it'd be a bit obvious. Now an "environmental" research group setting up a base on a new reef to 'monitor ecosystem growth' isn't likely to cause panic, just the media hordes. Exactly. Probably get Melanie a good reputation (how does the name Teresa sound for a cover?), and chariable donations from all those jet setters. Make a video, set up a GoFundMe, a few champagn fund raisers, then show some actual results (thanks to the advanced tech). She'd be a media darling. I hope shimmers work on cameras. Exactly. A rather barren island nucleating around the initial research station (a ship perhaps), then a gradually introduced planned ecosystem (and an excuse to keep visitors away). Meanwhile there is a substantial underwater base added. Yeah, possibly even a public one. Scientists on site to study the reef to see if they can prevent further erosion. Oh, and don't mind the plesiosaurs. It's a good thing RPG writers aren't bent of world conquest. Well it's been used in many time travel stories, where someone is 'recruited' and a suitable corpse left behind. Yeah, but think of how well it could work for kidnapping, fake death purposes. Make a clone, make the swap, maybe kill the clone. Now nobody knows that so & so is even missing, let alone that they have been kidnapped and is now working for Melanie. And there are plenty of poor microstates in the Pacific. With two more scheduled for Next Thursday.
That's the size of a large frigate, plenty of space for 'stuff'. And in the Whoniverse it could be fusion powered for effectively unlimited range and power capacity. It fits in with the Third Doctor/Bond villian's HQ feel of this adventure, plus it's history as a marine research ship makes it good pick for Milanie's front company. Unless you'd rather give her Calypso. RV CalypsoArmour: 9 Hit Capacity: 41 Speed: S(ea) 2 Tonnage 294 GRT Displacement 360 tons Length 139 ft (42 m) (43 meters, according to another source)[2] Beam 25 ft (7.6 m) Draft 10 ft (3.0 m) Decks Three Installed power 2 × 580 hp (430 kW) 8-cylinder General Motors diesel engines Propulsion Twin screw Speed 10 knots (19 km/h; 12 mph) Crew 27 in captain's quarters, 6 staterooms and crew quarters Notes Photo and science labs Underwater observation chamber Helicopter landing pad Yumbo 3-ton hydraulic crane Minisub storage hold But yeah it's big enough for put in anything she wants, and already has helicopter and a submarine, so it's not like any new tech would look out of place or seem suspicious. If she wants a Dragonfire laser system she just have to stencil "Microwave Transciever" on it's side. Oh that's a good cross-over. A minion perhaps? Offically that was supposed to be the Slience, but IMO the Saxon MAster trying to make a working TARDIS seems more plausible. He starts the project, "dies", and then other people continue it. Yeah, renegade Time Lord.... And introducing another tangent, the whole clone and biology aspectto this adventure is right down the Rani's alley. But that's a whole 'nother can of worms. I shall think about her. Though, to be honest, another character idea popped into my head at today's Strategic Planning and Restructuring meeting. Great, now I'm wondering if if I'm feeding ideas to some wannabe dictator. Well, if the plan works I hope I get spared from the Clone Apocalypse. The tactic still happens, hence most corporates block USB storage. In the comics, that was how Ultron kept coming back. He would always set up some sort of contingency plan for if he failed that would ensure that he got rebuilt.
"It's a mission from the birds".
"Oh crap" "I guess we'll have to wing it." It's a bit over-elaborate, hence perfect for him. Yeah, half of his plots are to show off his abilities. He probably would have succeeded in at least one of his plots if he could just keep a low profile. But not about winning, it's about being able to gloat over his victory. But what's the fun of being smarter than everyone else if you're the only who who knows it? You have to prove it. Thus over-elaborate plots where he invites his enemies to try and stop him. If he ever did eliminate the Doctor and the Time Lords I don't know what he'd do with himself. They be no one left to beat. He might start saving people from alien menaces just for the challenge. |
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Post by Catsmate on Apr 8, 2024 15:17:58 GMT
Actually your idea about replacing Autons is giving me an idea about a modified version of 'Polynestene'. LOL! Doctor Who and the Polyester InvasionNow the adults will be hiding behind the sofa. As classic as the incompetent Nazi in '70s films. Or 60s televsion "Hogaaann!"
And now you got me thinking of a version of Inferno where Werner Klemperer plays the Brigade Leader, Cynthia Lynn play Liz Shaw, and John Banner plays Benton. Ow. 
Maybe a ship-load of Ogrons crashed on Earth?
Maybe one of the is secretly an intellectually enhanced Ogron, like Garshak?
Maybe that's another adventure? I mean a shipload of crashed Orgrons is different than say the Master bring some over to protect some project or other. If Delgado Master set something up in the 70s/80s they could still be guarding the secret base in the 2000s to be cloned. Although, some Ogron in the Pacific Northwest US, perhaps with some dodgy Time Corridor technology could make for a good Bigfoot story. Definitely write the idea down for something.
True. But so is being betrayed by an underling. Well, when you pick bad people to be your underlings, they tend to act like, um, bad people. Oh, and the Doctor isn't going to betray his human friends, no matter what he says, except, maybe when he is the Valeyard. If you really want to make this like the aAster, then you have to have him join up with the Doctor at the end to help foil his own plot when it goes awry. Cheaper still if he dies before payday. The Master's not above betraying his underlings, so I guess it's a wash in the end.
I like that. Or maybe UNIT ended up with a few of her? Or will end up with a few of her. We don't yet know how your adventure will end. Maybe there is/will be a lab full of cryogenically frozen Marthas in the Black Archive that UNIT doesn't know what to do with? I could see some cloning machining going all Sorcerer's Apprentice and spitting out minions so fast that the situation gets out of control. Maybe they have to clone an army of Marthas to defeat an army of clone aliens? Then afterwards UNIT has to figure out what to do with 244 extra Marthas? Tuck them in the freezer? Set them up in some remote location? Or a clone of Mickey. Though why anyone would do that is another matter. Well one good reason, although it would divert from canon would be if Mickey died and a bereaved Martha tries to clone him to bring him back. Or Mickey could suffer some terminal illness and so she tries to clone him a new body and transfer his consciousness. She has just the right skills and experience for something like that. There are usually reasons, if that is what you want to do. So you can decide who you want him to be and then figure out the whys. For instance, what is Martin was a clone of Jack HArness? Say the Master was trying to see if he could clone Jack's immortality (for his own future use). Jack would know Martha, be tech savvy, and attacking the base is just his style. You can make a case for just about anybody. Clone Brigadier or Clone Benton would work too. Heck I could make a case for Martin being Clone Toberman! Would (an un mind controlled) Martha want a mass of herself running about? No, but could she bring herself to kill them off just because they were clones? She'd probably consider that to be murder. What if the Martha clones switching sides is what won the day? So UNIT would probably have to figure something out. It's great moral dilemma stuff. That's a good justification. Well with TIme travel, advanced technology, and multiple universes it's not hard to come up with something that works. For another take on it, what is this is Mickey from an alternate universe where Lumic's Cyberbermen won, and Micky was one of the handful of people who escaped using the dimension jumping tech seem at the Battle of Canary Wharf.. Clone Martha might a clone of alternate universe Martha. Doctor Who gives you tons of options. The caffeine's kicked in. There is current real world research into fast growing coral, I remember something about it passed over my desk last year. I'll see if I can find it. I could see a story where something goes wrong and it starts to grow uncontrollably, and they need to find a way to destroy it before it engulfs the planet. Absolutely. The Great Barrier Reef could well be gone in a few decades. Not anymore, thanks to Melanie! Of course the thing is doing something like that can get people to look at her other operations in a favorable light. Yeah it'd be a bit obvious. Now an "environmental" research group setting up a base on a new reef to 'monitor ecosystem growth' isn't likely to cause panic, just the media hordes. Exactly. Probably get Melanie a good reputation (how does the name Teresa sound for a cover?), and chariable donations from all those jet setters. Make a video, set up a GoFundMe, a few champagn fund raisers, then show some actual results (thanks to the advanced tech). She'd be a media darling. I hope shimmers work on cameras. Exactly. A rather barren island nucleating around the initial research station (a ship perhaps), then a gradually introduced planned ecosystem (and an excuse to keep visitors away). Meanwhile there is a substantial underwater base added. Yeah, possibly even a public one. Scientists on site to study the reef to see if they can prevent further erosion. Oh, and don't mind the plesiosaurs. It's a good thing RPG writers aren't bent of world conquest. Well it's been used in many time travel stories, where someone is 'recruited' and a suitable corpse left behind. Yeah, but think of how well it could work for kidnapping, fake death purposes. Make a clone, make the swap, maybe kill the clone. Now nobody knows that so & so is even missing, let alone that they have been kidnapped and is now working for Melanie. And there are plenty of poor microstates in the Pacific. With two more scheduled for Next Thursday.
That's the size of a large frigate, plenty of space for 'stuff'. And in the Whoniverse it could be fusion powered for effectively unlimited range and power capacity. It fits in with the Third Doctor/Bond villian's HQ feel of this adventure, plus it's history as a marine research ship makes it good pick for Milanie's front company. Unless you'd rather give her Calypso. RV CalypsoArmour: 9 Hit Capacity: 41 Speed: S(ea) 2 Tonnage 294 GRT Displacement 360 tons Length 139 ft (42 m) (43 meters, according to another source)[2] Beam 25 ft (7.6 m) Draft 10 ft (3.0 m) Decks Three Installed power 2 × 580 hp (430 kW) 8-cylinder General Motors diesel engines Propulsion Twin screw Speed 10 knots (19 km/h; 12 mph) Crew 27 in captain's quarters, 6 staterooms and crew quarters Notes Photo and science labs Underwater observation chamber Helicopter landing pad Yumbo 3-ton hydraulic crane Minisub storage hold But yeah it's big enough for put in anything she wants, and already has helicopter and a submarine, so it's not like any new tech would look out of place or seem suspicious. If she wants a Dragonfire laser system she just have to stencil "Microwave Transciever" on it's side. Oh that's a good cross-over. A minion perhaps? Offically that was supposed to be the Slience, but IMO the Saxon MAster trying to make a working TARDIS seems more plausible. He starts the project, "dies", and then other people continue it. Yeah, renegade Time Lord.... And introducing another tangent, the whole clone and biology aspectto this adventure is right down the Rani's alley. But that's a whole 'nother can of worms. I shall think about her. Though, to be honest, another character idea popped into my head at today's Strategic Planning and Restructuring meeting. Great, now I'm wondering if if I'm feeding ideas to some wannabe dictator. Well, if the plan works I hope I get spared from the Clone Apocalypse.
And as a preview:
The Nomad.
How many people truly ‘die’ when an entire timeline ceases to be, wiped out by an alteration to it’s history, be it by accident or design?
That is a question in that murky area where chronophysics and philosophy intersect that Mariele Richter tries never to think about, despite, or perhaps because of, being the only survivor of such an occurrence.
The tactic still happens, hence most corporates block USB storage. In the comics, that was how Ultron kept coming back. He would always set up some sort of contingency plan for if he failed that would ensure that he got rebuilt.
"It's a mission from the birds".
"Oh crap" "I guess we'll have to wing it." It's a bit over-elaborate, hence perfect for him. Yeah, half of his plots are to show off his abilities. He probably would have succeeded in at least one of his plots if he could just keep a low profile. But not about winning, it's about being able to gloat over his victory. But what's the fun of being smarter than everyone else if you're the only who who knows it? You have to prove it. Thus over-elaborate plots where he invites his enemies to try and stop him. If he ever did eliminate the Doctor and the Time Lords I don't know what he'd do with himself. They be no one left to beat. He might start saving people from alien menaces just for the challenge.
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Please don't. T is doing spagbol later and we don't want another Incident at Dinner.
I could indeed be something.
Hmm, that'd startle some people. 
