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Post by Acrobatic Flea on Mar 12, 2022 15:02:10 GMT
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Post by grinch on Mar 12, 2022 16:31:31 GMT
Great. Just what we need. A ticked off ancient demon with a grudge. Sigh...
Ah well, I reckon within a Doctor Who campaign it would make for an ideal prison for an Elder God. Perhaps imprisoned by the Seventh Doctor during his one man war against them?
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Post by Catsmate on Mar 15, 2022 14:43:01 GMT
As Acrobatic Flea states this is a fascinating story, and one that's been all over the media.
But there's actually a different side to it, one that I only learned of from a friend who's a manga/anime enthusiast.
Has anyone heard of Gentaro Nakajima? No? Well that's not surprising, he doesn't even have an (English) Wiki page.
Many of the stories about the "Killing Stone" mention a film derived from the story. Almost all go no further, which is a pity because that story is quite interesting in itself.....
Gentaro Nakajima worked for Daiei Film, a Japanese film company, back in the 1960s. There be developed what's said to be an obsession1 with the novel Tamamo No Mae based on the fox-spirit/assassination story and written by Kiko Okamoto2.
Nakajima tried to persuade his employers to film the story, as a live-action production, but was refused. Several times.
After he left Daiei, he produced an anime based on the story/novel using mostly his own money, with assistance from Hideo Suzuki (script, he was a noted noir writer) and Toei Animation (who actually produced the footage). Lacking a distributor he went back to Daiei Film.
This was a bad move.
It's not sure if the incompetence displayed by Daiei was deliberate, due to poor management, or simply that they thought the production would have no appeal and didn't bother much. But it flopped, mainly due to lack of advertising.
In fact only one cinema showed the film, and that briefly3, back in 1968.
Nakajima, said to be heartbroken, left the film industry and went into politics, dying in 1992. His political career was mediocre.
But what of the film? Well the print and negatives were returned to Nakajima and kept by him for a while. before being passed to his surviving son. Who, after a series of poor investments, alleged bribery, et cetera, killed himself in 2001.
For many years the film was regarded as lost. Until, curiously, a 16mm print was discovered in the vaults of the Tokyo Metropolitan Library. While the Library has shown it several time there has never seen a commercial release, nor any digital issue. If you want to see it, you need to be in Tokyo at the right time4...
I wonder if the nine-tail fox spirit is amused?
And what happens when someone does digitise the print and release it on the 'net?
1. Some salt may be advised, the story may have grown in the telling.
2. Who does have a wiki page.
3. Hmm, I wonder how many of the audience were time travellers?
4. I;m told the last showing was in 2016.
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Post by Acrobatic Flea on Mar 15, 2022 14:55:33 GMT
Thank you for this. I've long had an obsession with the niche sub-genre of horror that focuses on weird occurrences associated with "lost" movies, and this is grist to that particular mill.
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Post by grinch on Mar 16, 2022 12:19:04 GMT
As Acrobatic Flea states this is a fascinating story, and one that's been all over the media.
But there's actually a different side to it, one that I only learned of from a friend who's a manga/anime enthusiast.
Has anyone heard of Gentaro Nakajima? No? Well that's not surprising, he doesn't even have an (English) Wiki page.
Many of the stories about the "Killing Stone" mention a film derived from the story. Almost all go no further, which is a pity because that story is quite interesting in itself.....
Gentaro Nakajima worked for Daiei Film, a Japanese film company, back in the 1960s. There be developed what's said to be an obsession1 with the novel Tamamo No Mae based on the fox-spirit/assassination story and written by Kiko Okamoto2.
Nakajima tried to persuade his employers to film the story, as a live-action production, but was refused. Several times.
After he left Daiei, he produced an anime based on the story/novel using mostly his own money, with assistance from Hideo Suzuki (script, he was a noted noir writer) and Toei Animation (who actually produced the footage). Lacking a distributor he went back to Daiei Film.
This was a bad move.
It's not sure if the incompetence displayed by Daiei was deliberate, due to poor management, or simply that they thought the production would have no appeal and didn't bother much. But it flopped, mainly due to lack of advertising.
In fact only one cinema showed the film, and that briefly3, back in 1968.
Nakajima, said to be heartbroken, left the film industry and went into politics, dying in 1992. His political career was mediocre.
But what of the film? Well the print and negatives were returned to Nakajima and kept by him for a while. before being passed to his surviving son. Who, after a series of poor investments, alleged bribery, et cetera, killed himself in 2001.
For many years the film was regarded as lost. Until, curiously, a 16mm print was discovered in the vaults of the Tokyo Metropolitan Library. While the Library has shown it several time there has never seen a commercial release, nor any digital issue. If you want to see it, you need to be in Tokyo at the right time4...
I wonder if the nine-tail fox spirit is amused?
And what happens when someone does digitise the print and release it on the 'net?
1. Some salt may be advised, the story may have grown in the telling.
2. Who does have a wiki page.
3. Hmm, I wonder how many of the audience were time travellers?
4. I;m told the last showing was in 2016.
Depending on what sort of creature the Nine Tail Fox is (still reckon, an Elder God would be a good bet) it might even draw power from the amount of people who look at its recorded image. Artistic or otherwise. Taking an actual photograph of it would be almost akin to arming a nuclear bomb. |
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Post by Catsmate on Mar 16, 2022 13:35:27 GMT
As Acrobatic Flea states this is a fascinating story, and one that's been all over the media.
But there's actually a different side to it, one that I only learned of from a friend who's a manga/anime enthusiast.
Has anyone heard of Gentaro Nakajima? No? Well that's not surprising, he doesn't even have an (English) Wiki page.
Many of the stories about the "Killing Stone" mention a film derived from the story. Almost all go no further, which is a pity because that story is quite interesting in itself.....
Gentaro Nakajima worked for Daiei Film, a Japanese film company, back in the 1960s. There be developed what's said to be an obsession1 with the novel Tamamo No Mae based on the fox-spirit/assassination story and written by Kiko Okamoto2.
Nakajima tried to persuade his employers to film the story, as a live-action production, but was refused. Several times.
After he left Daiei, he produced an anime based on the story/novel using mostly his own money, with assistance from Hideo Suzuki (script, he was a noted noir writer) and Toei Animation (who actually produced the footage). Lacking a distributor he went back to Daiei Film.
This was a bad move.
It's not sure if the incompetence displayed by Daiei was deliberate, due to poor management, or simply that they thought the production would have no appeal and didn't bother much. But it flopped, mainly due to lack of advertising.
In fact only one cinema showed the film, and that briefly3, back in 1968.
Nakajima, said to be heartbroken, left the film industry and went into politics, dying in 1992. His political career was mediocre.
But what of the film? Well the print and negatives were returned to Nakajima and kept by him for a while. before being passed to his surviving son. Who, after a series of poor investments, alleged bribery, et cetera, killed himself in 2001.
For many years the film was regarded as lost. Until, curiously, a 16mm print was discovered in the vaults of the Tokyo Metropolitan Library. While the Library has shown it several time there has never seen a commercial release, nor any digital issue. If you want to see it, you need to be in Tokyo at the right time4...
I wonder if the nine-tail fox spirit is amused?
And what happens when someone does digitise the print and release it on the 'net?
1. Some salt may be advised, the story may have grown in the telling.
2. Who does have a wiki page.
3. Hmm, I wonder how many of the audience were time travellers?
4. I;m told the last showing was in 2016.
Depending on what sort of creature the Nine Tail Fox is (still reckon, an Elder God would be a good bet) it might even draw power from the amount of people who look at its recorded image. Artistic or otherwise. Taking an actual photograph of it would be almost akin to arming a nuclear bomb.
There are a lot of legends of fox spirits in various Asian mythologies, fascinating stuff.
1. She (in the form of a 'weakly godlike' entity for outside normal space-time) has appeared peripherally in our campaigns, mainly through the long suffering Daniel Moore, cat lover and currently Chosen of Bast.
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Post by grinch on Mar 16, 2022 21:46:41 GMT
I almost wonder if the Nine Tailed Fox Spirit would work well as a member of the as yet unseen Pantheon of Discord that the Trickster belongs to. tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Pantheon_of_DiscordWould certainly fit the idea of a powerful almost godlike being who is inclined towards chaos. |
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Post by Acrobatic Flea on Mar 28, 2022 15:01:23 GMT
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