Adric almost commited genocide?

[senko]

Watching old episodes the sacrifice of Adric 65 million years in earth's past gave the implied it have wiped out the dinosaurs . . . who it suddenly occurs to me would have been living on the planet with the Silurian race. So Adric probably wiped out most of the Silurians except for those who for some reason were hiding underground or on arks to other planets. Do I have the wrong dates or did he blow a ship up in their atmosphere?

[Catsmate]

Personally I consider the whole 'Silurian' aspect of the Whoniverse, it simply doesn't make sense.

[Begin Rant]

1. If the Silurians hibernated 65 million years ago then there were no apes, in fact there were no primates at all.
2. The Earth's moon is not a captured asteroid or other body; it (almost certainly) originated in the 'Big Splash', billions of year ago.
3. It is stated that the Silurians saw the body that threatened the Earth approaching and had plenty of time (several years at least) to prepare (hives, ships). So it obviously wasn't Briggs's freighter.
4. Given that they possessed a degree of technology substantially higher than Earth today, including spaceships, why didn't they attempt to deflect the oncoming planetoid?
5. Then there is the utter implausibility of their shelters surviving intact anyway.
6. The dating of the hibernation is fuzzy, unscientific and varied; placing it anywhere from four hundred million years BP to perhaps thirty five (the 'Eocene' reference).
   

Frankly it doesn't make sense.

[grinch]

Dec 18, 2021 13:30:08 GMT Catsmate said:

Personally I consider the whole 'Silurian' aspect of the Whoniverse, it simply doesn't make sense.

[Begin Rant]

1. If the Silurians hibernated 65 million years ago then there were no apes, in fact there were no primates at all.
2. The Earth's moon is not a captured asteroid or other body; it (almost certainly) originated in the 'Big Splash', billions of year ago.
3. It is stated that the Silurians saw the body that threatened the Earth approaching and had plenty of time (several years at least) to prepare (hives, ships). So it obviously wasn't Briggs's freighter.
4. Given that they possessed a degree of technology substantially higher than Earth today, including spaceships, why didn't they attempt to deflect the oncoming planetoid?
5. Then there is the utter implausibility of their shelters surviving intact anyway.
6. The dating of the hibernation is fuzzy, unscientific and varied; placing it anywhere from four hundred million years BP to perhaps thirty five (the 'Eocene' reference).
   

Frankly it doesn't make sense.

Yeah, much like the UNIT Dating System or how the Doctor was established at one point to only have one heart I think when it comes to Silurians it's just a case of handwaving it away.

I do think that it does open up a great deal of storytelling potential though. Perhaps during the early days of the Silurians they experimented with basic temporal technology (that or it was given to them) and it ended up causing a great deal of paradoxes and contradictions within their own timelines so they promptly abandoned it. 

[senko]

You could just say its a result of time war fallout.

[Catsmate]

Dec 19, 2021 0:21:25 GMT grinch said:

Dec 18, 2021 13:30:08 GMT Catsmate said:

Personally I consider the whole 'Silurian' aspect of the Whoniverse, it simply doesn't make sense.

[Begin Rant]

1. If the Silurians hibernated 65 million years ago then there were no apes, in fact there were no primates at all.
2. The Earth's moon is not a captured asteroid or other body; it (almost certainly) originated in the 'Big Splash', billions of year ago.
3. It is stated that the Silurians saw the body that threatened the Earth approaching and had plenty of time (several years at least) to prepare (hives, ships). So it obviously wasn't Briggs's freighter.
4. Given that they possessed a degree of technology substantially higher than Earth today, including spaceships, why didn't they attempt to deflect the oncoming planetoid?
5. Then there is the utter implausibility of their shelters surviving intact anyway.
6. The dating of the hibernation is fuzzy, unscientific and varied; placing it anywhere from four hundred million years BP to perhaps thirty five (the 'Eocene' reference).
   

Frankly it doesn't make sense.

Yeah, much like the UNIT Dating System or how the Doctor was established at one point to only have one heart I think when it comes to Silurians it's just a case of handwaving it away.

I do think that it does open up a great deal of storytelling potential though. Perhaps during the early days of the Silurians they experimented with basic temporal technology (that or it was given to them) and it ended up causing a great deal of paradoxes and contradictions within their own timelines so they promptly abandoned it. 

What annoys me about the 'Silurian' timeline is that it's basically impossible to reconcile. Even the history of Mondas and the Cybermen was easier to manage to make somewhat coherent (with much handwaving I admit).

I think your idea of the 'Indigenous Terrans' messing with time is probably the best starting point; perhaps their hibernation systems are an offshoot of this? Stasis fields of some sort.
IIRR one of the FASA scenarios has them (at least one hive/scientist) familiar with basic temporal science.

[grinch]

Dec 19, 2021 22:52:56 GMT Catsmate said:

Dec 19, 2021 0:21:25 GMT grinch said:

Yeah, much like the UNIT Dating System or how the Doctor was established at one point to only have one heart I think when it comes to Silurians it's just a case of handwaving it away.

I do think that it does open up a great deal of storytelling potential though. Perhaps during the early days of the Silurians they experimented with basic temporal technology (that or it was given to them) and it ended up causing a great deal of paradoxes and contradictions within their own timelines so they promptly abandoned it. 

What annoys me about the 'Silurian' timeline is that it's basically impossible to reconcile. Even the history of Mondas and the Cybermen was easier to manage to make somewhat coherent (with much handwaving I admit).

I think your idea of the 'Indigenous Terrans' messing with time is probably the best starting point; perhaps their hibernation systems are an offshoot of this? Stasis fields of some sort.
IIRR one of the FASA scenarios has them (at least one hive/scientist) familiar with basic temporal science.

Yeah, maybe experimenting with time travel or temporal manipulation is a great secret among the Silurian race with the majority of the species not even knowing about it. A few of the elders would know, however, many of whom would feel great shame about almost wiping out their own species by tinkering with history while others might think they should have never abandoned their experiments. 

As you suggested, a lot of their technology such as the hibernation chambers could have derived from said experiments.

[5atbu]

1: Who has roots in times when people believed in different theories of history and science.
2: Different theories now have greater credence. This may change again.
3: The choices are retcon, reconciliation, or reject.

If you are going to get annoyed by this, then just decide which tale you like for your table canon, but also you may have to accept that the Whoniverse simply can't be reconciled very well without hand wavium, paradox or blaming it on some chrono reset. (Time War being one, the Flux could be another, there are parallel universes or multiverse is another).