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Post by Escher on Jul 30, 2015 14:16:44 GMT
Quote: In an internal memo dating from 1966, producers outlined how the original Doctor, William Hartnell, would be transformed for his successor Patrick Troughton.
It also tackled the "horrifying experience" of the regeneration.
"The metaphysical change... is a horrifying experience - an experience in which he relives some of the most unendurable moments of his long life, including the galactic war," it said. I know it's retroactively attributing meaning, but 'the galactic war' just screams of 'Time War' and it's an interesting concept that during a regeneration, each incarnation could possibly relive the Time War's events in some way. This could make for an interesting aspect of some story seed. Full article: news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8616413.stm |
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Post by bjmorga on Jul 30, 2015 15:12:18 GMT
Interesting.
Of course, upon hearing the term "Galactic War," the Doctor would probably ask, "Which one?"
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Post by jennysfan on Jul 31, 2015 2:41:26 GMT
The one he dealt with in his 1st Incarnation; the one that set him on the path to steal the Hand of Omega and run away from Gallifrey with his granddaughter...
The one we've not seen yet.
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Post by Escher on Jul 31, 2015 11:56:20 GMT
The one he dealt with in his 1st Incarnation; the one that set him on the path to steal the Hand of Omega and run away from Gallifrey with his granddaughter... The one we've not seen yet. Niiice... |
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Post by Catsmate on Jul 31, 2015 11:57:51 GMT
The one he dealt with in his 1st Incarnation; the one that set him on the path to steal the Hand of Omega and run away from Gallifrey with his granddaughter... The one we've not seen yet.
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Post by bjmorga on Jul 31, 2015 17:59:01 GMT
The one he dealt with in his 1st Incarnation; the one that set him on the path to steal the Hand of Omega and run away from Gallifrey with his granddaughter... The one we've not seen yet. Now that's a cool idea for a campaign! |
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Post by Marnal on Jul 31, 2015 19:56:08 GMT
I've always been amused at how the original [unreleased] back story for the 1st Doctor was started out with an eccentric lone drifter who escaped from a horrific war and is cut off from his people, never to see them again.
And then when RT Davies brings Doctor Who back in 2005 he's an eccentric lone drifter who escaped from a horrific war and is cut off from his people, never to see them again.
"Rose" was a reboot of the original premise of the series and most people didn't even notice.
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Post by jennysfan on Aug 1, 2015 4:28:41 GMT
I've always been amused at how the original [unreleased] back story for the 1st Doctor was started out with an eccentric lone drifter who escaped from a horrific war and is cut off from his people, never to see them again. And then when RT Davies brings Doctor Who back in 2005 he's an eccentric lone drifter who escaped from a horrific war and is cut off from his people, never to see them again. "Rose" was a reboot of the original premise of the series and most people didn't even notice. Yep, and it was stunning. But a part of me will always wonder what went on in the original concept and how far things have changed. People have like 'my' idea that the Galactic War plays a part in the doctors origin story. Thing is, it isn't 'my' idea, it's the basis of the story. I'm just extending it to cover a cannon event (the theft of the Hand of Omega) and attempting to use it to motivate the character to do the actions accredited to him when by all rights they are extremely out of character. The Hartnell incarnation was a very different Doctor, at least at first. He didn't like to interfere with the past, he was willing to consider amoral actions which would horrify his later incarnations (kidnapping Ian & Barbara, killing a caveman, sabotaging the Tardis in order to get his own way, etc.) and was more of a stickler for what would later become known as the Laws of Time than most of his future selves... Which makes the fact that he stole a 'sacred relic'* and restricted technology (like a time machine; even Time Lords aren't allowed to use them willy-nilly) and illegally left the society he spent at least 200 years in; committing a crime that was later reduced to a forced Regeneration & exile. Yes his later actions may have compounded his original offense; on the other hand they might not have known the Hand of Omega had been taken yet. Just because it hadn't been invented by the show-writers yet doesn't mean it ceased to exist in the Doctor's Universe; little continuity errors like that make great story fodder, especially when you can mix time-travel in to muddy the waters further. When it comes down to it, the first Doctor has a past as mysterious as the War Doctor and as contradictory as the 8th. So there is nothing stopping you from doing what you will with that history and build up an amazing story. *Given how Omega was perceived by the Doctor at the time, it's a fair call. |
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Post by Doctor X on Aug 1, 2015 7:41:20 GMT
I remember seeing another thing about how the Doctor was originally going to be on a crusade to destroy all technology.
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Post by jennysfan on Aug 1, 2015 7:49:01 GMT
Did not know a thing about that. Source please? It sounds like story fodder...
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Post by Escher on Aug 1, 2015 10:19:23 GMT
I've always been amused at how the original [unreleased] back story for the 1st Doctor was started out with an eccentric lone drifter who escaped from a horrific war and is cut off from his people, never to see them again. Oohh...any more info? I wasn't aware of this! I also found this while I was Googling that is a list of pure gold, to be mined and harvested for ideas: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unmade_Doctor_Who_serials_and_films |
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Post by Marnal on Aug 1, 2015 17:10:18 GMT
Numerous bits of Expanded Universe stories point to, or flat out state that their was a big revolution on Gallifrey between the Academy students and the Time Lord leadership. And that this chaos and violence is key to what led to the Doctor to steal the TARDIS and flee Gallifrey.
The most specific of these would be the short story "Birth of a Renegaded" published in the Radio Times 20th Anniversary magazine [and written by then Dr Who 'showrunner' Eric Saward] and the FASA RPG sourcebooks that took that short story as gospel and expanded on it significantly.
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Post by Marnal on Aug 1, 2015 17:30:02 GMT
This is part of a larger document I'm working on that will chronicle the Doctor's Pre-Unearthly Child years. Pretty much every single event mentioned is from a BBC approved source, though I'll put the really speculative stuff in italics...
President Pundat III finally discovered Azmael’s location (After almost a century living peacefully on Vitrol Minor). The Council bribed several witnesses so that Azmael was convicted of high treason, and a Warrant of Termination was issued, authorizing an execution squad of Seedle Warriors to kill him. The squad managed to exterminate all life on Vitrol Minor, but Azmael escaped and returned to Gallifrey. He had President Pundat and the High Council indicted and put on a trial. The Supreme Court of Gallifreyan Law agreed to stall the trial as much as possible while Pundat found a solution.
Lord Koschei had also been forced to retire from field work because of President Pundat’s new anti-intervention statutes. He spent 40 years teaching mathematics theory and computer science at the Prydon Academy when Cardinal Arkendo and several students came to him with news of the genocide of Vitrol Minor. Together they developed a plot to replace President Pundat III. They considered trying to replace Gallifrey’s oligarchy with a democracy but the idea was deemed impractical. But the original Gallifreyan Constitution contained the Rule of Rassilon, which stated that the Presidency could only be held by a descendent of Rassilon’s House of Fordfarding. Though the house was long since extinct Koschei realized that Hand of Omega would be capable of breaching the back-time field buffers and entering Gallifrey’s relative past. The students stole the Hand and programmed it to take a TARDIS back into to find the last cousin of Rassilon’s house and bring him safely to the relative present. This Rule of Rassilon would force the Gallifreyan government to accept the last scion of Rassilon as the new Lord President. Unfortunately after being laboriously re-programmed, the Hand escaped from the students.
The Doctor was completely uninvolved in all of this. He had tried for the position of Off-World Ambassador, but his application was rejected Registrar of Continual Observation. His cousin Glospin had been researching into the Doctor’s biodata and learned that that he might be more than just a Time Lord. He confronted the Doctor with this news, and, in the process mentioned that a new cousin, had been loomed to replace him. The Doctor thought Glospin’s claims were absurd, but it was at this moment that the Hand of Omega appeared, and drove Glospin off. The Hand dutifully stayed by the Doctor’s side for the next 6 days.
On his 336th nameday the Doctor decided to see if the Hand can be used to help him escape Gallifrey. Disguised in Patrexian robes, the Doctor broke into to a TARDIS dry dimension dock on under-level 14 of the Citadel. He brings the Hand of Omega and a small bag of items. Ignoring the first seven modern TARDISes, he instead chooses to steal the 8th because the key is in the door lock. Acting on its programming to retrieve the scion of Rassilon, the Hand of Omega takes control of the timeship and breaches the back time field buffers, taking the Doctor into Gallifrey's past. The Hand dragged the TARDIS back into the Dark Times. By this point Susan had lost her father, grandmother, and adopted grandfather and had been living on the streets of the Capitol for a year. She recognized the Doctor as her grandfather and demanded to go with him. Susan, the Doctor, the TARDIS, and the Hand of Omega depart ancient Gallifrey.
It was at this point that Pundat III authorized the first ever use of the TARDIS Recall Circuit. The TARDIS and its travelers are pulled back to Gallifrey’s present day. The Doctor managed to distort the arrival coordinates by a few kilometers, and by the time the Citadel Guards had found the TARDIS the Doctor, Susan, and the Hand had hidden themselves in the streets of the Capitol. The timeship was retired and decommissioned, become the property of Capitol. She sat abandoned for the next few decades.
Susan insisted that the Doctor was her grandfather and that he had merely forgotten the truth. Despite this, the Doctor arranged for his friend Councilor Brolin for adopt the seven year old child, and she went to live in Brolin’s House. When she turned 8 she began attending the Prydonian Academy under the name of Larn. But her training was not to last long. It took the students some time, but they eventually learned that Larn was the scion of Rassilon they had sought, and that she was staying with Councilor Brolin.
The Doctor was contacted by the student revolutionary movement. They tried to recruit him to their cause, but he is indecisive. The students discussed what had happened on Vitrol Minor but Azmael’s indictment of the High Council was still being investigated by the courts, and the Doctor felt that to act against Gallifrey’s Constitution was going too far. It was then that he learned of the student’s plot to use Larn as a puppet Lady President using the Rule of Rassilon.
Realizing that both the students and the High Council would gladly use Larn in their plots, the Doctor adopted Larn and moved her to a small white house on the slopes of a mountain. Over the next 3 years the students will try again and again to recruit the Doctor. While he sympathized with their cause, he had no intention of allowing Larn to become part of the student’s machinations.
With the support of others, the students led protests and marches outside the Panoptican. Under Pundat’s orders the Citadel Guard began to kill the protesters, triggering riots throughout the Capitol. The revolution was ruthlessly put down with a massive toll in lives. But the students’ attempts to assassinate Pundat were partially successful. While the wound he suffered was relatively minor the president chose to attempt a regeneration. But the regeneration failed and Pundat III died from the stress. But before his death, Pundat named Chancellor Pandad VIII as his successor. This was of small comfort to the revolutionaries as the Pandad was considered to be Pundat’s most evil disciple.
Azmael's attempt to convict the High Council of the genocide of Vitrol Minor didn’t go well. With massive amounts of bribery, the High Council presented false evidence that showed that Azmael was in fact the one responsible for the attack on Vitrol Minor. Lord Koschei realized that all legal channels had failed. He managed to convince the surviving students that the original plan to restore Rassilon’s Rule could still work. With Azmael, and Braxiatel’s help, Koschei planed a second coup. When Azmael was brought before the High Council to make his final statement and receive sentencing he would attack the High Council and Koschei would kill President Elect Pandad. As before, this plot was supported by Cardinal Arkendo who hoped to be chosen as Larn's Protector if the coup is successful.
Shortly after this, the Doctor visited a market in the Citadel and met with some of his old friends who are still on the Supreme Council. It was during this trip that the Prydonian students made one final attempt to recruit the Doctor and again he refused. Larn slipped into a trance and began to talk about how a cybernetic species from another world had already infiltrated Gallifrey's High Council and that the Doctor and her would flee this world. When the Doctor tried to get Larn to stop talking she ran away. Unfortunately all of this was overheard and reported to President-Elect Pandad. The Doctor eventually returned to his house on the mountain and found the Citadel Guards waiting. He was taken before the Inner Council and he challenged them about the allegations of corruption. Under the mind probe, the Doctor revealed the entire plot about using Lady Larn to replace the President. The Council realized that the Doctor needed to be silenced. Pandad ordered parts of the Doctor's memory selectively wiped so that he didn’t remember rescuing Larn from the Dark Times, or the revolution.
Having learned of the plot against him, President Pandad VIII issued a Burn Edict on Braxiatel. Braxiatel kills the Burner who comes to assassinate him. He reports this to Koschei and the others and they realized that the Doctor has betrayed them. Arkendo makes a scapegoat out of the Doctor, laying all of their failures upon him. This ostracization will drive him into the deserts of space and time.
By this point, the 342 year old Doctor is frustrated with pain, misery and self-doubt of his life on Gallifrey. He is angry at the High Council for its corruption, arrogance, impotence and for ironically for refusing to tolerate his own arrogance. He is just as disgusted with the revolutionary actions of the students and doesn't want either side to have control of Larn or the Hand of Omega.
Desperate for revenge after seeing the Doctor betray him, Cardinal Arkendo convinces the President to have the Doctor killed. To punish Braxiatel for killing the Burner, Pandad VIII forces him to become the new Lord Burner and Braxiatel's first test at his position was to assassinate the Doctor and Lady Larn. Braxiatel instead chooses to warn the Doctor about the President's order.
Believing that the Prydonian students were ready for the coup, Koschei began the revolution. Azmael gunned down the High Council with a laser rifle, but Borusa and Pandad survived the attack. With Koschei’s help, Braxiatel is able to kill President Elect Pandad VIII.
In the resulting chaos, Cardinal Arkendo assumed emergency powers. Despite the success of the assassinations, Arkendo ensured that the coup was ruthlessly crushed by the Citadel Guards. Arkendo arranged a "witch hunt" to find and punish all students involved in the coup. The students, seeing Arkendo as an ally, are caught completely off guard. The air was filled with revolutionary fever, gunfire, and death.
The Doctor meets with his friend Ruath in the Panoptican Library. The two discuss their disgust with the revolutionary atmosphere Gallifrey has taken on, and they make plans to leave Gallifrey together. They agree they take the now 13 year old Larn though they do not share this plan with her. Ruath points out that the retired timeships that were due for the breakers are not being guarded. After hurried consideration the Doctor decided that Ruath would never be happy as a renegade and that, with the loss of the President-Elect and High Council, she would now be in the ideal political position to keep the new leadership in line. He composed a message for her explaining his choice and skips their appointed meeting. Unfortunately Ruath never finds the message, and never realized why the Doctor abandoned her.
The Doctor waited till the reprisals for the assassinations were at their bloodiest before revealing part of his plan to his granddaughter. At the time he claimed that they must go into hiding until Akendo’s reign of terror was over. The Citadel Guards drove the Doctor and Susan down below the Citadel walkways, and opened fire on them with stasers set to kill. The Doctor, Larn, and the Hand of Omega sneak into a TARDIS work dock repair bay on an under-level of the Citadel.
The Doctor, Larn and the TARDIS flee Gallifreyan culture and society. By becoming a renegade, the Doctor gives up his Prydonian Birthright and all of Time Lord Society. In the tradition of Gallifreyan renegades they both renounce their names of δ³Σx² and Larn. The Doctor did this out of despair and will spend his whole life running from his true identity. Larn would quickly adopt the name Susan after a human she would meet.
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Post by Doctor X on Aug 1, 2015 19:51:19 GMT
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Post by bjmorga on Aug 1, 2015 22:11:00 GMT
I've always been amused at how the original [unreleased] back story for the 1st Doctor was started out with an eccentric lone drifter who escaped from a horrific war and is cut off from his people, never to see them again. Oohh...any more info? I wasn't aware of this! I also found this while I was Googling that is a list of pure gold, to be mined and harvested for ideas: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unmade_Doctor_Who_serials_and_filmsI've come across this Wikipedia page before and bookmarked it for idea harvesting in the future. I particularly love The Space Trap. think that could be a fun adventure to run. |
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