on the titanic

[zebaroth]

i have been away for a bit but the next to the last of jagaorth is back
and with a new idea non the less

there was a pc game called titanic adventure out of time
it was about a spy on the doomed ship and was full of
interesting characters this idea takes palce in the game's storyline


waht if in the crogo hold there was police box and on the ship named john smith
is he here to help or to do somthing else why dose he keep asking for the time

ides
1 some one is trying to change the course of history
keep the titanic from hitting the ice berg and the doctor
is there to make sure it dose hit the ice berg
who is it

2 the doctor is trying to change time for some reason why

a 1st class passenger Mr. Stille in room 113 who no can remember who he is
( it is a silence ) why is it here when dose come out of his room he hides face
behind bandages so he won't make others forget and there there is his butler with the
eye the strange eye patch
who is also his translator

what is going on ion the titanic

[Catsmate]

Jun 30, 2015 1:13:31 GMT zebaroth said:

i have been away for a bit but the next to the last of jagaorth is back
and with a new idea non the less

there was a pc game called titanic adventure out of time
it was about a spy on the doomed ship and was full of
interesting characters this idea takes palce in the game's storyline


waht if in the crogo hold there was police box and on the ship named john smith
is he here to help or to do somthing else why dose he keep asking for the time

ides
1 some one is trying to change the course of history
keep the titanic from hitting the ice berg and the doctor
is there to make sure it dose hit the ice berg
who is it

2 the doctor is trying to change time for some reason why

a 1st class passenger Mr. Stille in room 113 who no can remember who he is
( it is a silence ) why is it here when dose come out of his room he hides face
behind bandages so he won't make others forget and there there is his butler with the
eye the strange eye patch
who is also his translator

what is going on ion the titanic

Hmm. I've never played the game but it sounds like an interesting premise.

Working from the wiki description several things strike me:

1. "In 1912, he was a British secret agent on the RMS Titanic, who must retrieve a priceless copy of the Rubáiyát of Omar Khayyám". This immediately reminds me of the Sommerton Case (aka the 'Taman Shud' case) the mysterious corpse found near Adelaide in 1948 without any identification; the man's identity, what he was doing there and how he died have never been established. A write up of this case has been on my to-do list for a while, especially since I read Kerry Greenwood's book on the case (Tamam Shud: The Somerton Man Mystery).
One of the few items found on the man was a scrap of paper with the words tamam shud torn from the final page of a particular copy of The Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam. Might the Sommerton Man be a time traveller also? Greenwood plays with the idea, though not seriously:

One of my favourite theories is that Somerton Man was a time traveller, related to Teresa Powell because he was her great-great-grandson come back from the future, where clearly it is colder than here, hence the heavy garments. According to this theory, Somerton Man was waiting on the beach for the Mothership but he was killed by an acute reaction to some local allergen or a death ray from his enemies before he could be picked up.

2. "Carlson is a former agent of the Secret Intelligence Service living in a tiny London flat, eking out a meager existence repairing clocks". This provides an option to introduce a connection to the Hourglass Club, who's facade as a club for homological amateurs covers it's activities as a support hub for time travellers. Perhaps Carlson was commissioned to do some work for them and accidentally (or not) acquired a piece of technology that transported him back in time and space.

3. In canon the Doctor's certainly been on the RMS Titanic (as was the Master accordion to the audioplay Mastermind); he mentions it in his ninth and eleventh incarnations, and the Virgin NA The Left-Handed Hummingbird has a brief scene on the ship.

4. In 1911 the events of Pyramids of Mars occurred. Were some bits of Osiran technology be left over and now aboard the Titanic? Perhaps in the hands of a Mad Scientist whose experiments triggered a tunnel to 1942 and pulled Carlson back in time.

5. There was a GURPS Time Travel scenario set aboard the Titanic with the PCs battling a rival group of time travellers to ensure certain people survived (and certain others didn't). It had werewolves.

6. Other time travellers could be present. The sinking of the Titanic was a significant event, with serious consequences, and quite a few unknowns; it's the kind of historians would want to study (barring the existence of a Limelight Effect to prevent them). Perhaps there's a party from St Mary's Institute of Historical Research aboard, led by Dr. Maxwell? Or a group of tourists sampling the ambiance and waiting to watch the disaster as it happens. Or time travelling thieves, like the Alexandrian Society, might be onboard to steal the jewel-encrusted copy of the The Rubáiyát or other treasures.
How well will multiple time machines interact?

7. Don't forget there was a Clara aboard too. Has she been having odd dreams lately?

8. The presence of a Silence is an interesting idea, just what is it up to? Planning to change history (as in the game, averting WW1, the Russian Revolutions and WW2) or stopping someone else from doing so?

9. Preventing, or at least mitigating, the disaster would be pretty simple. But what would the long term consequences be? The survival of Archibald Butt, John Jacob Astor and others might lead to a Taft presidency in time for the Great War. The decline of the White Star line prevented, for a while; the lack of the International Ice Patrol probably leads to other sinkings. Maratime safety regulations aren't tightened until the next major disaster, perhaps the Empress of Ireland.

[zebaroth]

ta lot of good things there it is some to think
on as i work out the idea in my head

[Catsmate]

Jul 1, 2015 7:08:16 GMT zebaroth said:

ta lot of good things there it is some to think
on as i work out the idea in my head

Glad to help. I like to mix in a few complications. We had an intro AITAS game last weekend for newbies based on The Empty Child, with Julie d'Aubigny as a renegade Time Agent (replacing Jack Harkness) and Max and co arriving unexpectedly in London during the Blitz (shades of Connie Willis's Blackout/All Clear) to complicate matters. Then a version of John Hart turned up looking for Julie...

That Titanic game is interesting because of the numerous options for changing history that radiate from the disaster; some (like the Rubáiyát, Hitler's painting and the list of Bolsheviks) are part of the game but others, like certain people surviving, aren't mentioned.

[Stormcrow]

Time travelers love sailing on the Titanic. Off the top of my head:

• Voyagers!: Bogg tries to retrieve the Mona Lisa from a thief who has smuggled it aboard, while Jeffrey tries to warn the captain that the ship will hit an iceberg.
• The Time Tunnel: In the pilot episode, Tony enters the Tunnel to prove it works and winds up on the Titanic. Doug goes in after him to rescue him.
• Time Bandits: The protagonists use wealth stolen from Agamemnon to fund a first-class voyage on the ship they've landed on, but they don't realize it is going to sink.
• GURPS Time Travel Adventures: The Timepiece agents must save certain people who died in the disaster. Stopwatch agents have their own list of who lives and who dies. A must for anyone running a Titanic-based adventure, as it has deck plans and passenger lists (though it mostly ignores the lower classes).
• Titanic Out of Time: I owned this game and started it but got stuck quickly and didn't find out what was going on. Video games don't usually hold my attention for long.

There are certainly others I don't know about.

[Stormcrow]

Jun 30, 2015 1:13:31 GMT zebaroth said:

a 1st class passenger Mr. Stille in room 113 who no can remember who he is
( it is a silence ) why is it here when dose come out of his room he hides face
behind bandages so he won't make others forget and there there is his butler with the
eye the strange eye patch
who is also his translator

I don't think it's only a Silent's face that affects the memory. But why not make him a mysterious passenger whom no one has ever met (they think)? Everyone assumes he's closeting himself in his cabin, when really he's moving about the ship freely, but no one remembers. You can still have the butler.

[Catsmate]

Jul 1, 2015 14:08:04 GMT Stormcrow said:

Time travelers love sailing on the Titanic. Off the top of my head:

• Voyagers!: Bogg tries to retrieve the Mona Lisa from a thief who has smuggled it aboard, while Jeffrey tries to warn the captain that the ship will hit an iceberg.
• The Time Tunnel: In the pilot episode, Tony enters the Tunnel to prove it works and winds up on the Titanic. Doug goes in after him to rescue him.
• Time Bandits: The protagonists use wealth stolen from Agamemnon to fund a first-class voyage on the ship they've landed on, but they don't realize it is going to sink.
• GURPS Time Travel Adventures: The Timepiece agents must save certain people who died in the disaster. Stopwatch agents have their own list of who lives and who dies. A must for anyone running a Titanic-based adventure, as it has deck plans and passenger lists (though it mostly ignores the lower classes).
• Titanic Out of Time: I owned this game and started it but got stuck quickly and didn't find out what was going on. Video games don't usually hold my attention for long.

There are certainly others I don't know about.

The Magic Tree House, the novel 'From Time To Time', the disaster tourist film Thrillseekers... You're right there are probably more.

[zebaroth]

Jul 1, 2015 14:15:39 GMT Stormcrow said:

Jun 30, 2015 1:13:31 GMT zebaroth said:

a 1st class passenger Mr. Stille in room 113 who no can remember who he is
( it is a silence ) why is it here when dose come out of his room he hides face
behind bandages so he won't make others forget and there there is his butler with the
eye the strange eye patch
who is also his translator

I don't think it's only a Silent's face that affects the memory. But why not make him a mysterious passenger whom no one has ever met (they think)? Everyone assumes he's closeting himself in his cabin, when really he's moving about the ship freely, but no one remembers. You can still have the butler.

true the butler could be the go between for the silent and the crew. there could be some reason
for reason he is a shut in like he is unwell, also a few crew members might have eye patches and be
in on the truth

[Catsmate]

Something I'd forgotten but has been in my notes pile for a while, is the rather weird coincidence of the sinking of the Titanic and the book Futility (aka The Wreck of the Titan) by Morgan Roberts. This was published in 1898 and describes the sinking of an "unsinkable" liner in the Atlantic in May after it collides with an iceberg with huge loss of life. There are a number of interesting similarities between the Titan and the Titanic. It might be worth mixing in a few references?


OK I now see Big Finish have used the idea (link) and the book actually appears in the game. It seems I'm not the only one who likes the idea.

[Catsmate]

As I've found my notes here is a Titanic miscellanea.

Here is a webpage with some info on the fan theory about the film Titanic and the idea that Jack was a time traveller (a young Jack Harkness?).
It's interesting how sloppy Cameron was about Jack's dialogue; the reference to ice fishing at Lake Wissota (didn't exist in 1912), the anachronistic rucksack and the reference to the Santa Monica Pier roller coaster, which also didn't exist in 1912.

Here is a review of, and excerpt from, David Kowalski's The Company of the Dead an alternate history book featuring a surviving Titanic and very different history.

While Captain Smith was considered a hero he was ultimately responsible for the disaster: he ignored ice warnings from other ships, did not slow the ship even when ice was reported directly in it's path, he failed to issue a general "abandon ship" order (so many passengers would not have ben aware that the Titanic was in immediate danger), he ordered lifeboats to be boarded from the (partially enclosed) Promenade deck rather than the Boat deck, there was no plan for an orderly evacuation and and no lifeboat drills had been carried out. Further many lifeboats left carrying far fewer people than their capacity. In fact not long after the collision and the conference regarding the damage to the ship Smith seems to have disappeared.

The accusations of cowardice against Ismay are utterly untrue; the British Inquiry concluded that Ismay helped many other passengers before being ordered into the last lifeboat to leave the starboard side.

Likewise the accusations (and the scenes in Cameron's film) that third-class passengers were held below decks and prevented fro reaching lifeboats are untrue. The gates isolating third-class were a US immigration requirement and the distance from the boat deck to third class quarters was a problem. Likewise several witnesses stated that third-class passengers were reluctant to leave the ship. Blind adherence to regulations rather than malice was responsible.

While the ship's band did play on deck while the ship was sinking (and all died), Nearer, My God, To Thee was not played. It appears that they actually played a variety of popular music of the time, including ragtime.

Here is a useful, and generally accurate, timeline of the last hours of the Titanic.

The Titanic had three engine funnels, the fourth was a fake installed to improve the ship's looks (and used for ventilating the kitchens). What else might it hide?

There wasn't actually a mummy (cursed, Osiran or mundane) on the Titanic.

[Catsmate]

BTW Issue 9 of the Diary of Doctor Who RPG has some Titanic material and ideas.

[zebaroth]

"The Titanic had three engine funnels, the fourth was a fake installed to improve the ship's looks (and used for ventilating the kitchens). What else might it hide?" what else could it hide another time lord's tardis perhaps