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Post by zebaroth on Nov 10, 2012 0:45:44 GMT
the tardis has been has been bit more unreliable then normal.
it has needed more refueling stops there is a room on the map that has no way in the reason the tardis is pregnant.
other things in story arc
river song is travling with The Doctor and is falling in love with
him
river knows before the doctor dose that the tardis is pregnant
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Post by Marnal on Nov 10, 2012 18:43:44 GMT
LOVE THIS IDEA!
Of course if the the TARDIS is the Doctor's wife, lets hope he's the father!!
[Its a good thing that the mythology of the novels suggest the idea that two hearts means being able to love to people, or River might get jealous!]
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Post by garethl on Nov 11, 2012 8:12:22 GMT
the tardis has been has been bit more unreliable then normal. it has needed more refueling stops there is a room on the map that has no way in the reason the tardis is pregnant. other things in story arc river song is travling with The Doctor and is falling in love with him river knows before the doctor dose that the tardis is pregnant In New Who it has been suggested that Tardisses grow like coral, so.........but and this is something I didn't know, there exist coral species who reproduce via brooding. The females harbour unfertilised eggs for weeks. It isn't that much of a stretch, certainly not if you realize that we are talking about an alien species, for the Tardis to be pregnant. Maybe look at Wikipedia:Coral for some inspiration, synchronised spawning sounds interesting as a way to detect other Tardisses. |
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Post by zebaroth on Nov 11, 2012 19:25:31 GMT
the tardis is both mother & farther of the baby tardis if that make senss
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Post by zebaroth on Nov 12, 2012 0:03:48 GMT
LOVE THIS IDEA! Of course if the the TARDIS is the Doctor's wife, lets hope he's the father!! [Its a good thing that the mythology of the novels suggest the idea that two hearts means being able to love to people, or River might get jealous!] my dad had an idea for this to work the Doctor cuts himself while working on the tardis and it absorbs some of his blood and in doing so making him the baby's daddy |
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Post by apseudo on Nov 13, 2012 20:06:53 GMT
Interesting.
There are a couple (likely millions, but a couple I've thought up) of other possibilities for how the TARDIS could get in a family way. When the TARDIS consumed, or destroyed, House there might have been some left over material from the TARDISes he'd previously eaten inside him and thus left inside the Doctor's TARDIS. Seeing that all her sisters are dead, the TARDIS could have used that material to birth something new.
Alternatively, it could have something to do with her time in Idris (the kissing) or the reset of the Universe via Amy's timey-wimey memory (The Big Bang) or even some sort of temporal sympathy with Amy when she was pregnant, thus giving Melody a time head and the baby TARDIS a human form (or something like that). Of course, you could go further back and make it a compounded condition, tying in Bad Wolf, the MetaCrisis, and the Paradox Machine Incident as well. Weaving these big events in could mean that the TARDIS has been gestating for a long, long time and is only now beginning to 'show'.
I like the room with no door idea, but I think you should push it. As in, it starts as a cupboard, then a room, then a floor/wing. Finally, you end up with the TARDIS inside a TARDIS conundrum (The Time Monster, Space/Time).
As for the Doctor not noticing, the Old Girl could be actively hiding it from him or River's connection with the TARDIS simply allows her to see something happening that isn't quite happening on any normal temporal plane.
OH! Wait, just thought of this, but maybe the TARDIS has been pregnant for a long time (via whichever method you like), yet couldn't come to term for lack of something to run the Block Transfer Equations on as only a living mind can truly do so (Logopolis). Thus, it gave Melody a 'time head' by feeding the equations into her at conception. So, what River is actually seeing as the TARDIS being pregnant is she herself running the finally Block Transfer Equations to 'deliver' the TARDIS's long held 'child', which would explain why the Doctor is completely ignorant of it at first.
Alright, now that I've tossed out a plethora of ideas, I'll stop. Thanks for the inspiration!
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Post by Marnal on Nov 14, 2012 16:45:00 GMT
All great ideas!
Here's some stuff from the TV show and the EU about NORMAL TARDIS Conception and growth that might inspire some ideas...
Hyper Loom: Conception of a Space-Time Event
A TARDIS is not built it is grown. The process used to create a TARDIS is one of the greatest secrets of the Time Lords. The initial block transfer equations necessary to create a Complex Space-Time Event like a TARDIS can only be assembled in a null-zone connected to the Eye of Harmony. This null-zone is called the Hyper-Loom or sometimes the Womb. In a very real sense, Complex Space-Time Events like a TARDIS always exist. These Events take the form of a complicated coded-series of Block-Transfer equations, which define their existence and position across all of Space-Time. The equations are based on the fundamental principles of movement, travel and infinite recursion. They serve as the foundation for the Time Travel Capsule (TTC). Being a four dimensional being, a TARDIS assists the Time Lords in its own creation. Legend has it that the Matrix, the Mother of all Gallifreyan Timeships, has always existed and created the Gallifreyans just so she would have a point of origin. This same legend also states that the Matrix secretly controls the Time Lords.
The Hyper-Looms provide the Capsule with a block-transfer connection to the Prime Eye of Harmony on Gallifrey. It is this block-transfer connection that serves as the heart of the Complex Event. The Space-Time Event combined with the Eye of Harmony connection forms an Extra-Dimensional Framework known as the Metastructure.
Gallifrey Blackhole Shipyard: Creation of a Time Travel Capsule
After being connected to the Eye of Harmony, the Space-Time Event is moved to neural construction docks at the Gallifrey Blackhole Shipyard to complete its growth. To protect Gallifrey from time pollution the Shipyard is located outside of Gallifrey's star system and is equipped with filter circuitry to generate Transduction Barriers. These barriers are also used to prevent the Capsules from escaping.
Inside the docks are numerous Dimensionally Transcendental Cradles (or Ubbo-Sathla) which hold the future TARDISes. The Time Lords alter this metastructure to make the Event dependent on the Symbiotic Nuclei of a Time Lord for its ability to travel in the Vortex. It is at this point that the Space-Time Event becomes a viable Time Travel Capsule.
TARDIS sentiences are created with a Block Transfer System using specific Artificial Intelligence Code. Using birthing matrices the block-transfer A.I. is rendered and physically formatted into the organic Protyon Units that serves as the brain of a TARDIS. The Protyon Core is then implanted in the Space-Time Event and programmed with multidimensional Grey-Prints of the new TARDIS. Grey-Prints are designed by Gallifreyan Mathematicians and set down many of the specifications and capabilities of the new TARDIS including its gender. At this point the Capsule uses Warp Matrix (Transdimensional) Engineering to grow its interior and exterior shells. Using these Grey-Prints as guide, the Protyon Units grow the interior/exterior of the Capsule. The Cloister Room (with the link to the Eye of Harmony) develops first, followed by the rest of the Time Sceptre. The capsule’s Transducer Power Cells are also among the first items to be grown.
After spending a decade in the cradles they are moved to the Solar Workshops, where several pieces of exitonic circuitry are implanted by the Time Lords. Exitonic circuits are made of a type of metal that has many of the characteristics of plastic. The implants include the Temporal Drive and Chameleon Circuit. If the Capsule is designated female, it will receive XX circuits, if male, XY circuits. Because only about 1 in 80 Time Lords are female it appears that less then one out of every 100 timeships are male. Male TARDISes are sometimes referred to as bulls.
Enjoy!
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Post by Marnal on Nov 14, 2012 16:48:40 GMT
On the subject of the Doctor's Type 40 TARDIS creating a new TARDIS... 102 Form Timeship: aka Type 102, Compassion V, Laura Tobin VLaura Tobin V was a human companion of created on Anathema in the 20th century. She later became a traveling companion of the Time Lord known as the Doctor. She had a Faction Paradox designed receiver that was neurologically hardwired into any signal she would receive. It was capable of picking up very obscure deep-level frequencies. The Doctor hooked the receiver into his Type 40 TARDIS so that the timeship would screen and filter all the signals she received. Unknown to the TARDIS's crew the timeship had decided to become the mother of the first 102-Form. The Ship began narrowcasting its programming to Laura in order to rebuild her biodata. At a moment of crisis Laura Tobin’s human form was re-sculpted into the first and only 102-Form TARDIS. She was the first fully successful human / timeship hybrid . From this point forward she referred to herself only as Compassion.
Attempts to create another 102-Form using other humanoids by the same method resulted only in subjects with simple facial and spinal mutations. It was concluded that the unique nature and experience of the Doctor’s Type 40 was a key part of the process.
103 Form Model A and B Timeships
After being rescued from a null-probability field by the War King of Gallifrey, Compassion agreed to assist in the 103-Form breeding program. These new 103-Forms would be produced through an "organic" mating process instead of being grown in Solar Workshops. The male part of project were provided in the form of specially constructed bull-TARDIS Engines that were equipped with XY circuits. Within one year of mating, Compassion had produced her first son, a 103 Form Model A named Antipathy. While the mating process usually took place inside the time spiral of the space-time vortex the near-infinite micro-universes were quickly removed from their mother’s planet sized womb.
The infants were suspended in pan-dimensional boxes and allowed to grow their first power cells. After providing the Time Lords with sufficient breeding stock, Compassion left Gallifrey to continue her travels. Like most mother Timeships, she never saw her children again. Her affection for these offspring was, however, undisputed.
For the first decade of these timeships’ lives even the most basic forms of movement were prevented. Through a viewport the technicians observed them until the timeships learned to communicate. At this point they 103-forms were informed that they could not be released until they had learned self-control. Many of these children rebelled at this, sometimes for years at a time. But in the end, under the supervision of the Time Lords, priming protocols, developed while studying the Familiars, produced an obedient time travel capsule.
All Model B 103-Forms had XX circuits installed in their corridors (and almost all of their bonded Time Lords are male). After this several other pieces of excitonic circuitry was installed, including a Chameleon Circuit.
The male/female breeding system ensures that each 103-Form has a mutagenic factor to make them less vulnerable to manipulation at the hands of the Time Lord's enemies. This has the effect of introducing “genetic” quirks into the breed, such that no two timeships were ever completely identical. Some Time Lords found the idea of TARDIS evolution to be disturbing but these 103-Form TARDISes quickly proved themselves to be the most essential and useful weapon the Time Lords had in the War. The House Military was anxious to grow as many as possible. Breeding facilities were set up in many locations including the Fortress world of Many of Simia KK98 and within a few decades became the most common TARDIS.
For more info see my TARDIS Technical Index at
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Post by Curufea on Nov 15, 2012 0:38:45 GMT
I was wondering when you'd put in the TTI stuff, marnal  |
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Post by zebaroth on Nov 16, 2012 18:11:12 GMT
my reasoning behind the tardis reproducing is that the tardis is approaching the end of it's life
and it dose not want to leave the doctor with out a tardis
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Post by mi11enniumd0ct0rwh0 on Oct 12, 2021 23:18:00 GMT
AH AH... BUT.... THE TARDIS NEEDED BREEDING. DID THE DOCTOR EVEN BREED THE TARDIS??!
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Post by misterharry on Oct 13, 2021 8:19:43 GMT
He budded off the Black TARDIS from (what was then) the White TARDIS, so it can be done.
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Post by mi11enniumd0ct0rwh0 on Oct 18, 2021 4:34:12 GMT
He budded off the Black TARDIS from (what was then) the White TARDIS, so it can be done. Srry..... What?! |
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Post by mi11enniumd0ct0rwh0 on Oct 18, 2021 4:37:25 GMT
the tardis is both mother & farther of the baby tardis if that make senss No they are not... DIDN'T you read the wiki... It says that male TARDIS are called "Bull TARDIS" while the females are just "TARDIS". The Doctor's TARDIS is female.. and never will be both gender.... But.... it could be sexual and asexual. Study harder boi! |
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Post by mi11enniumd0ct0rwh0 on Oct 18, 2021 4:44:52 GMT
LOVE THIS IDEA! Of course if the the TARDIS is the Doctor's wife, lets hope he's the father!! [Its a good thing that the mythology of the novels suggest the idea that two hearts means being able to love to people, or River might get jealous!] Yes true... Also the TARDIS isn't really the Doctor's Wife.. she just acted like one. So I guess let him marry the TARDIS. |
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Post by mi11enniumd0ct0rwh0 on Oct 18, 2021 4:48:04 GMT
My Friend have a question that the TARDIS is the last type 40... And that the Spy Master have destroyed Gallifrey in the new tv shows of doctor who. With 13th doctor... Anyways the TARDIS is the last... And the doctor is now a female... So how can the TARDIS breed... I know maybe asexual reproduction... But the TARDIS needs a mate more than herself...
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Post by misterharry on Oct 18, 2021 9:17:53 GMT
He budded off the Black TARDIS from (what was then) the White TARDIS, so it can be done. Srry..... What?! In the audios there's a story arc in which the Doctor creates a new TARDIS by budding one from the plasmic shell of his TARDIS. It didn't require mating his TARDIS with a Bull TARDIS, though that is presumably the normal process. So it's possible for a TARDIS to reproduce without mating. |
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Post by misterharry on Oct 18, 2021 9:21:07 GMT
the tardis is both mother & farther of the baby tardis if that make senss No they are not... DIDN'T you read the wiki... It says that male TARDIS are called "Bull TARDIS" while the females are just "TARDIS". The Doctor's TARDIS is female.. and never will be both gender.... But.... it could be sexual and asexual. Study harder boi! Sorry, but you're coming across as a little aggressive in this reply - not everybody has read the TARDIS Wiki, nor should be expected to. You're stating things with absolute fact when Doctor Who lore is a very flexible thing. The concept of Bull TARDISes appears in the novels. If the TV series were to state a contrary view of TARDIS reproduction tomorrow, that would take precedence. |
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Post by grinch on Oct 18, 2021 10:33:46 GMT
To be honest, putting aside Idris for one moment I always thought it was somewhat of a given that all the TARDISes were considered 'female' because that's how we traditionally refer to ships. Time/Space or otherwise.
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Post by Rassilon on Oct 18, 2021 14:29:32 GMT
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Post by misterharry on Oct 18, 2021 14:51:14 GMT
To be honest, putting aside Idris for one moment I always thought it was somewhat of a given that all the TARDISes were considered 'female' because that's how we traditionally refer to ships. Time/Space or otherwise. In the novels, there are TARDISes specifically referred to as Bull TARDISes, which are force-mated with (presumably female) TARDISes to produce new generations. This is seen to happen on Gallifrey in the run-up to the War in Heaven, at which time the Time Lords are becoming more and more ruthless. But whether it happens prior to then is a matter of debate. |
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