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Post by JohnK on Jan 23, 2010 23:40:31 GMT
Hullo, folks,
Got a question for folks.
As you see, I've just finished statting up Steven Taylor. Technically, that means the next two "companions" are Katarina, the serving girl, and Sara Kingdom, the sister of Bret Vyon, both of whom are killed in "The Daleks' Master Plan". After them, comes Dodo, Polly, and Ben.
The question is do you consider Katarina and Sara Kingdom to be companions? If yes, why? If no, why not? And do you want to see them statted up or would you like me to move on to the final three companions of the Hartnell period?
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Post by tashkal on Jan 24, 2010 3:11:20 GMT
The BBC recognizes Katerina, but not Kingdom, and I can't say I disagree. But... Might as well stat up Kingdom anyway. There's enough support for her otherwise, and I don't care either way. Besides, I'd undermine my own support for calling Grace Holloway a companion if I objected.  |
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Post by Curufea on Jan 24, 2010 6:01:57 GMT
The BBC recognises Astrid Peth - but I don't.
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Post by Kit on Jan 24, 2010 10:58:07 GMT
Were C7 doing a complete First Doctor set, I'd want Katarina and Sara Kingdom included.
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Post by kaemaril on Jan 24, 2010 12:26:47 GMT
The BBC recognises Astrid Peth - but I don't. Christina too, at least according to the 'companions' menu on the Who website's gallery. No Wilfrid, though, which is odd since RTD explicitly described him as such, AND he's been on a TARDIS flight (unlike Astrid and Christina). No mention of Captain Adelaide Brooke, either ... |
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Post by JohnK on Jan 24, 2010 13:47:21 GMT
Hullo, Tashkal, The BBC recognizes Katerina, but not Kingdom, and I can't say I disagree. But... Might as well stat up Kingdom anyway. There's enough support for her otherwise, and I don't care either way. Besides, I'd undermine my own support for calling Grace Holloway a companion if I objected. You make a good point for the Katarina being a companion argument, as well as the Kingdom one. The real problem with both characters, of course, is that there's not enough information about either character in the series to perhaps accurately stat them out and all that. Still, I'll wait a bit longer and see what others have to say on this. |
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Post by JohnK on Jan 24, 2010 13:51:25 GMT
Hullo, Curufea, The BBC recognises Astrid Peth - but I don't. I take it that comment also applies to Katarina and Sara Kingdom?  Btw, in terms of the New Who specials and movies with Astrid, Lady Christina, and so forth, I don't really consider them companions at all myself. For me, the New Who companions are Rose, Martha, Donna, and possibly Mickey. Much debate can now ensue on that one as well, although I'm still wanting more input about Katarina and Sara Kingdom. |
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Post by JohnK on Jan 24, 2010 13:52:50 GMT
Hullo, Kit, Were C7 doing a complete First Doctor set, I'd want Katarina and Sara Kingdom included. That's actually a pretty compelling reason to do both of the characters up. Besides, after I were to do them up, there's only Ben and Polly to wrap up the Hartnell companions. |
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Post by JohnK on Jan 24, 2010 13:56:13 GMT
Hullo, Kaemaril, The BBC recognises Astrid Peth - but I don't. Christina too, at least according to the 'companions' menu on the Who website's gallery. No Wilfrid, though, which is odd since RTD explicitly described him as such, AND he's been on a TARDIS flight (unlike Astrid and Christina). No mention of Captain Adelaide Brooke, either ... Hmm, that raises a good question...what qualifies a character to be a companion. I mean, one flight on the TARDIS, and you're a companion? I think not. Look at the sheer number of episodes and stories that Jamie McCrimmon appeared in, and then compare this with the Astrid Peths, the Christina de Souzas, and well...not really, eh? But that aside, I'll leave the New Who companions (or non-companions) for others to stat out... |
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Post by Rel Fexive on Jan 24, 2010 13:58:20 GMT
Sara Kingdom made several journeys in the TARDIS during the long Master Plan story. Katarina didn't make as many as her. Both I would consider companions. Adelaide Brook I would include because while she only took one trip it was a very important one, and not just to her. Kylie (I don't call her Astrid as she had no personality) and Christina don't count in my book.
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Post by JohnK on Jan 24, 2010 15:00:28 GMT
Hullo, Rel Fexive, Sara Kingdom made several journeys in the TARDIS during the long Master Plan story. Katarina didn't make as many as her. Both I would consider companions. You make a good point here on both Sara Kingdom and Katarina. That seals the deal in my book, and they will both be done up as companions of the First Doctor. |
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Post by Curufea on Jan 24, 2010 20:25:38 GMT
Hullo, Curufea, The BBC recognises Astrid Peth - but I don't. I take it that comment also applies to Katarina and Sara Kingdom? Btw, in terms of the New Who specials and movies with Astrid, Lady Christina, and so forth, I don't really consider them companions at all myself. For me, the New Who companions are Rose, Martha, Donna, and possibly Mickey. Much debate can now ensue on that one as well, although I'm still wanting more input about Katarina and Sara Kingdom. Yeah. I'd add Captain Jack to the new series companions too |
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Post by cliffr on Jan 26, 2010 3:07:14 GMT
I don't recognize Astrid or Christina as companions (they never even set foot in the TARDIS). But I do consider Jack AND Wilf to be.
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Post by Craig Oxbrow on Jan 26, 2010 3:16:44 GMT
Hopefully the lack of Wilf on the website is just an oversight. They had rather a lot of new material to put up that week, after all.
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Post by Siskoid on Jan 26, 2010 14:51:25 GMT
What about Adam in The Long Game??
So no, one trip does not a companion make, but I personally think Katarina and Sara Kingdom count. They weren't "failed" companions, they died before making the next trip (and Sara actually had multiple jumps). Had they survived, we can imagine the Doctor keeping them on.
Now one way to go about all this is to publish all the accepted companions (even excluding Katarina and Sara) and then publish an appendix of short term companions (call it Short Trips maybe). You could throw Mickey and Jack in there, but certainly the list would include Kamelion, Sara K, Katarina, Adam, Jackie, Astrid, Christina, Wilf, Adelaide, Chang Lee, the UNIT guys, and Jackson Lake & Rosita (perhaps others).
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Post by JohnK on Jan 26, 2010 15:08:17 GMT
Hullo, cliffr, I don't recognize Astrid or Christina as companions (they never even set foot in the TARDIS). But I do consider Jack AND Wilf to be. Well, if I was to ever do the statting up of characters from the New Who and all, and that's a way off anyway, given how many I've still got just for the Hartnell period to do up, I wouldn't do Jack (even if he wasn't statted in the game). I'd have left him for the Torchwood game product. Wilf, on the other hand, deserves to be statted up, if for no other reason than he's Donna's gramps. |
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Post by JohnK on Jan 26, 2010 15:23:55 GMT
Hullo, Siskoid, So no, one trip does not a companion make, but I personally think Katarina and Sara Kingdom count. They weren't "failed" companions, they died before making the next trip (and Sara actually had multiple jumps). Had they survived, we can imagine the Doctor keeping them on. Your argument is the most convincing of the ones that I've heard, and to be honest with you, that was my thinking when I finally decided on doing and posting up the write-ups for poor Katarina and Sara Kingdom. Now one way to go about all this is to publish all the accepted companions (even excluding Katarina and Sara) and then publish an appendix of short term companions (call it Short Trips maybe). You could throw Mickey and Jack in there, but certainly the list would include Kamelion, Sara K, Katarina, Adam, Jackie, Astrid, Christina, Wilf, Adelaide, Chang Lee, the UNIT guys, and Jackson Lake & Rosita (perhaps others). Well, I'm not worry about the companions/not companions from New Who, since I figure the boxed sets and future products will be doing those anyway, but the Classic Who characters are another matter. Since we don't know what form they may take or what products they may appear in. Besides, a First Doctor set might be well off into the future. |
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Post by JohnK on Jan 27, 2010 13:55:01 GMT
Hullo, folks, For those who might be interested, I've just updated the write-ups on Susan, Ian Chesterton, and Barbara Wright by adding photos to the entries. Just a heads-up is all. |
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Post by whichdoctor on Apr 4, 2010 5:41:31 GMT
That's the real problem with the companion thing, isn't it? It really is impossible to come up with a criteria that will suit everyone, especially when there are weird exceptions like Adam, Liz Shaw, and H. G. Wells in the mix.
I would propose two designations: "companion", defined as anyone who has taken a trip in the TARDIS, and "ally" for anyone who hasn't. As such, Adam, Herbert (H. G. Wells), and Wilfred Mott would be companions, whereas the Brig, Liz Shaw, and Astrid would be "allies".
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Post by kaemaril on Apr 4, 2010 12:35:50 GMT
I would propose two designations: "companion", defined as anyone who has taken a trip in the TARDIS, and "ally" for anyone who hasn't. As such, Adam, Herbert (H. G. Wells), and Wilfred Mott would be companions, whereas the Brig, Liz Shaw, and Astrid would be "allies". I thought the Brig has taken a trip in the TARDIS? Isn't that how he got back from Gallifrey in The Five Doctors? Admittedly it's not much of a trip ... |
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Post by rev503 on Apr 11, 2010 22:44:51 GMT
Heres a question if your drawing lines...what about Jacqui Tyler?
Had a trip in the Tardis (although not to a different time), was instrumental in saving the doctor several times (tea, big yellow truck, etc), and hit him at least once.
Personally I think not, I count companions as people that have gone someplace new with him or he's asked aboard. Katrina I'd count as a companion, Sara was more of an ally (even though Sara had way more screen time)
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