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Post by grinch on Feb 18, 2023 20:48:05 GMT
mythus.fandom.com/wiki/Stingy_JackA fascinating figure from folklore who, much like most Immortals could make for an excellent recurring character for a campaign. Strikes me as the sort who’d bump into the likes of Jago and Litefoot or The Paternoster Gang before finally running afoul of Torchwood or UNIT in the modern day. It’s also entirely possible that your PCs meet Jack out of order with their final encounter with him being the one made just before he makes his famous bet with the Devil.
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Post by soultaker666212 on Feb 19, 2023 0:08:33 GMT
Why is it that the name Jack always seems to come up when it comes with supernatural or even plain old murders, like Jack the Ripper or Spring Heeled Jack or now Stingy Jack which is the first I am hearing of this, I just find it coincidentally odd really and would be an interesting connection to make, thank you for this Grinch!
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Post by grinch on Feb 19, 2023 20:52:11 GMT
It's interesting, isn't it? Haven't the foggiest idea why but it's more than likely something to do with the fact that Jack is a fairly common name.
Personally, if I were to include Stingy Jack in a campaign I'd literally just drop him in. Say they encounter him while investigating another case, simply wandering out of the fog his turnip lantern clutched in one hand. Probably too easy to make him a heroic or villainous character so instead I'd just have him be a crass fellow who has come to terms with his lot in his eternal life. Albeit one who possesses a cunning that he has only refined over the centuries. As well as possessing a wanderlust that more often than not has him stumbling (sometimes quite literally!) into odd scenarios. Not that he is one to deliberately seek out such endeavors.
And naturally, as an Immortal he would have a wealth of knowledge that any interested party could make full use of.
Not to mention, there are plenty of demonic figures within the Whoniverse who could serve as the Devil character Jack made a deal with. Although to be honest, I'd probably just use Julie Newmar's Miss Devlin from The Twilight Zone. Old Jack always had an eye for the ladies.
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Post by soultaker666212 on Feb 19, 2023 21:08:32 GMT
Perhaps so with the common name of Jack, just seems odd to me really, but yeah he does seem like an interesting character to explore upon though and would be useful for campaigns.
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Post by Catsmate on Feb 19, 2023 22:16:34 GMT
Why is it that the name Jack always seems to come up when it comes with supernatural or even plain old murders, like Jack the Ripper or Spring Heeled Jack or now Stingy Jack which is the first I am hearing of this, I just find it coincidentally odd really and would be an interesting connection to make, thank you for this Grinch! I suppose that 'John' and its various non-English equivalents are pretty common and generic names.
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Post by soultaker666212 on Feb 19, 2023 22:25:17 GMT
Why is it that the name Jack always seems to come up when it comes with supernatural or even plain old murders, like Jack the Ripper or Spring Heeled Jack or now Stingy Jack which is the first I am hearing of this, I just find it coincidentally odd really and would be an interesting connection to make, thank you for this Grinch! I suppose that 'John' and its various non-English equivalents are pretty common and generic names.I guess so there! Still is an interesting connection though for me at least, could be connected via the same species adopting the name Jack as a disguise?
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Post by Catsmate on Feb 19, 2023 22:26:35 GMT
mythus.fandom.com/wiki/Stingy_JackA fascinating figure from folklore who, much like most Immortals could make for an excellent recurring character for a campaign. Strikes me as the sort who’d bump into the likes of Jago and Litefoot or The Paternoster Gang before finally running afoul of Torchwood or UNIT in the modern day. It’s also entirely possible that your PCs meet Jack out of order with their final encounter with him being the one made just before he makes his famous bet with the Devil. A fascinating character, with an interesting backstory. Replace the generic 'devil' with a wandering/lost alien whom 'Jack' bargained with and outsmarted. Somewhat reminiscent of Ashildr.
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Post by grinch on Feb 20, 2023 10:43:50 GMT
mythus.fandom.com/wiki/Stingy_JackA fascinating figure from folklore who, much like most Immortals could make for an excellent recurring character for a campaign. Strikes me as the sort who’d bump into the likes of Jago and Litefoot or The Paternoster Gang before finally running afoul of Torchwood or UNIT in the modern day. It’s also entirely possible that your PCs meet Jack out of order with their final encounter with him being the one made just before he makes his famous bet with the Devil. A fascinating character, with an interesting backstory. Replace the generic 'devil' with a wandering/lost alien whom 'Jack' bargained with and outsmarted. Somewhat reminiscent of Ashildr.Jack strikes me as less psychologically damaged than Ashildr. Maybe because unlike her, he never left any friends or family behind when he died and subsequently became immortal. Although even some aspects of his past may elude him. Actually, I could see certain individuals tracking him down under the misguided belief that the turnip lantern he carries is the source of his immortality. With Jack merely stating while irritated “It’s just a b****y turnip!” Either way, he’s one of those figures who’d probably be better off if left to wander. Possessing a Seventh Doctor/Braxiatel level of cunning would lead to unfortunate consequences for anyone who tried to take advantage of him. Or make him a valuable ally.
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Post by Catsmate on Feb 20, 2023 15:20:22 GMT
A fascinating character, with an interesting backstory. Replace the generic 'devil' with a wandering/lost alien whom 'Jack' bargained with and outsmarted. Somewhat reminiscent of Ashildr. Jack strikes me as less psychologically damaged than Ashildr. Maybe because unlike her, he never left any friends or family behind when he died and subsequently became immortal. Although even some aspects of his past may elude him. Actually, I could see certain individuals tracking him down under the misguided belief that the turnip lantern he carries is the source of his immortality. With Jack merely stating while irritated “It’s just a b****y turnip!” Either way, he’s one of those figures who’d probably be better off if left to wander. Possessing a Seventh Doctor/Braxiatel level of cunning would lead to unfortunate consequences for anyone who tried to take advantage of him. Or make him a valuable ally. An independent ally, with his own agenda. Though that might be fairly petty and banal.
I've added him to my notes file, I might develop a set of stats and background for him, eventually....
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Post by grinch on Feb 20, 2023 16:07:37 GMT
Jack strikes me as less psychologically damaged than Ashildr. Maybe because unlike her, he never left any friends or family behind when he died and subsequently became immortal. Although even some aspects of his past may elude him. Actually, I could see certain individuals tracking him down under the misguided belief that the turnip lantern he carries is the source of his immortality. With Jack merely stating while irritated “It’s just a b****y turnip!” Either way, he’s one of those figures who’d probably be better off if left to wander. Possessing a Seventh Doctor/Braxiatel level of cunning would lead to unfortunate consequences for anyone who tried to take advantage of him. Or make him a valuable ally. An independent ally, with his own agenda. Though that might be fairly petty and banal.
I've added him to my notes file, I might develop a set of stats and background for him, eventually....
If it helps, I don’t mind chipping in with a few suggestions and ideas. Stingy Jack is one of those figures who I could see PROBE encountering so I’ve already given some thought to the matter. Besides, make for an excuse to have a Halloween adventure.
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Post by Catsmate on Feb 22, 2023 9:03:16 GMT
An independent ally, with his own agenda. Though that might be fairly petty and banal.
I've added him to my notes file, I might develop a set of stats and background for him, eventually....
If it helps, I don’t mind chipping in with a few suggestions and ideas. Stingy Jack is one of those figures who I could see PROBE encountering so I’ve already given some thought to the matter. Besides, make for an excuse to have a Halloween adventure. Thanks, I'm rather busy with work atm but I'll nibble away at a background and stats, and let you know as it progresses.
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Post by thewarchief on Mar 23, 2023 17:13:54 GMT
Perhaps so with the common name of Jack, just seems odd to me really, but yeah he does seem like an interesting character to explore upon though and would be useful for campaigns. I believe it wasn't just common, it was (and might still be) the most common English male name. So it gets used the way John Doe is used for an unidentified person. Some other common names do crop up as well. With Jack the Ripper the name came about due to the Dear Boss letter being signed that way, and that letter might have been a fake written by a reporter. Often, these "Jack" characters have other nicknames and the Jack one wins out, probably due to it being more stylistic, sensational, or just easier to remember. Hence we tend to remember the name "Jack the Ripper" more than "Whitechappel Murderder" or "Leather Apron". For Stingy Jack, I could see this being someone who get's possessed after death by some alien or robotic head. The similar Nuckalevee could be adapted into a Doctor Who monster. For a Victorian era or later version, maybe some cyberman or cybershade left over after the events of The Next Doctor. IT doesn't have enough tech (yet) to fully convert Jack or to take over more bodies, but it can animate Jack's body and slowly "upgrade" it, leading to all sorts of sightings and legends. The PCs arrive sometime when Jack is about to implement some plan that will let it covert people or call in reinforcements, and must stop it at the last minute in typical Doctor Who fashion. Considering that the Next Doctor was set in 1851, the year of the Great Exhibition, what if a Cyberman/Cybershade was entering the Crystal Palace when the Doctor defeated the Cyber King? The structure acted as a Faraday Cage and shielded the cyberman's head head was shielded, surviving the destruction of the other cybermen. When the structure was relocated to Sydenham Hill, the head was assumed to be a part of the exhibit and stolen by a thief named Jack, who was taken over by the head. The Crystal Palace burnt down in a mysterious fire that started in the women's cloakroom in 1936, which would be a great climax for an adventure. P.S.> since we're on the subject of Jacks, how about Spring-heeled Jack.
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Post by lupercal on Mar 23, 2023 20:39:36 GMT
Wasn't there a Titan Comics issue (think it was the 12th Doctor) that involved Spring-Heeled Jack?
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Post by grinch on Mar 23, 2023 21:00:54 GMT
Wasn't there a Titan Comics issue (think it was the 12th Doctor) that involved Spring-Heeled Jack? Friendly greetings, Horus Lupercal. It’s certainly very possible. I know there’s an Eighth Doctor strip where he encounters him.
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Post by misterharry on Mar 24, 2023 10:05:13 GMT
Wasn't there a Titan Comics issue (think it was the 12th Doctor) that involved Spring-Heeled Jack? Friendly greetings, Horus Lupercal. I don't remember a 12th Doctor comic featuring Spring-Heeled Jack, but perhaps you're thinking of the version that appeared in an 8th Doctor strip in DWM. Another version popped up in the Paternoster Gang audios.
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Post by lupercal on Mar 24, 2023 23:30:00 GMT
Probably. The comics tend to run together in my head.
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