koloth
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Post by koloth on Sept 9, 2017 23:12:30 GMT
Facebook from Obverse's page couple of days ago. No further info.
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Post by Null and Void on Dec 28, 2017 22:30:37 GMT
Where did you hear this Koloth? Obverse Books website, for one. I am looking forward to The Book of the Enemy, as its an anthology centered around the mysterious Enemy the Great Houses in the Faction Paradox universe. So far, not much has been revealed of their nature, and while I'm not expecting the Book of the Enemy to outright reveal who or what the Enemy is, there will no doubt be lots of food for thought. As far as Expanded Spin Off books, one could almost do an entire one on Faction Paradox alone.... 2017 is its 20th anniversary, believe it or not. Due out in January 2018, and available for pre-order now
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Post by grinch on Jul 31, 2019 22:20:33 GMT
I know we will not be getting around to this sourcebook for years to come, but was there any agreement on how this volume would be laid out? Considering the sheer abundance of spin off material there is, I somehow do not think this will all fit into one volume. Unless of course, it was extremely long in length.
Also, would anyone mind if I began work on stats for this volume? As I have said before, I am well aware it shall be ages until this one is even in the drafting stages but I have been listening to a lot of the Big Finish ranges as of late and am itching to give the likes of the Paternoster Gang, Diary of River Song, Jago and Litefoot, Torchwood a go.
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Post by Siskoid on Aug 4, 2019 12:47:54 GMT
We haven't yet come to a decision about how the material will be divided, but it would be two books. However it's done, the conceit would have Torchwood head one book, and Sarah Jane Adventures head the other (so new characters vs. classic ones? organization vs. individuals? not sure).
It's pretty academic for someone who wants to write for them though, because I could easily be working on both at the same time. Because there are so many sub-franchises, these books would have a different layout than the main books. Instead of macro-chapters for Allies, Villains, etc., each spin-off would have its own chapter, which would start with Campaign Notes explaining the spin-off and how gamers might use it as a template for their own stories (set-up, tone, tropes, etc.), and then characters, villains, locations and gadgets as would be proper.
So if you want to write up the Paternoster audios, the format is the same, though you might want to also write an introduction (anything from half a page to a full page (aim for the same word count as a Location) as well. In such a case, the characters have already been written up in an official sourcebook, but their own adventures can be discussed and hopefully, the stats aren't the same because things have been revealed, changes made, etc.
Note that if a Doctor appears in a spin-off book or audio, some material may appears in the main books or their addenda, so I would check in that Doctor's thread before jumping into something that's already been done or that will be, so that writers don't step on one another toes. With this much lead time (we'll be in 7th-8th hell for the foreseeable future), it should be possible to coordinate things between ourselves (MisterHarry is leading the charge on such "crossover material", so if he says it's okay, then it's okay with me as well; generally the STARS of the spin-offs will be off-limits, but a monster might make it in - I might republish those pages in the spin-off book to have everything together in each book).
I hope that answers your questions. I would recommend doing one or two entries and shuffling them my way so I can make some editor's comments, just to make sure we agree on format. It makes things a lot easier on the layout side of things, and I don't want to be asking for rewrites on any number of entries years from now. You understand.
Can't wait to see what you've got cooked up. Now if you'll excuse me, I've promised myself the 7th Doctor's first book must release in September...
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misterharry
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Post by misterharry on Aug 4, 2019 15:53:51 GMT
I've mentioned to Siskoid that, when we get to the spin-offs volume, I'm likely to take a step back. So all volunteers for that stage of the project will be most welcome.
I'd just echo Siskoid's request to co-ordinate on any stories in which the Doctor makes a guest appearance (there are several in the Jago & Litefoot and The Diary of River Song ranges, for example), just so we avoid duplication of effort and different/conflicting write-ups for the same villains/monsters/etc appearing in different sourcebooks. Ideally, there are enough concepts in those stories that we can include something for each of them in both the spin-offs books and the relevant Doctors' sourcebooks. So when you get to any of these crossover stories, could you post in his thread what you intend to cover from them as it would be very helpful.
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Post by grinch on Aug 9, 2019 16:43:14 GMT
We haven't yet come to a decision about how the material will be divided, but it would be two books. However it's done, the conceit would have Torchwood head one book, and Sarah Jane Adventures head the other (so new characters vs. classic ones? organization vs. individuals? not sure). It's pretty academic for someone who wants to write for them though, because I could easily be working on both at the same time. Because there are so many sub-franchises, these books would have a different layout than the main books. Instead of macro-chapters for Allies, Villains, etc., each spin-off would have its own chapter, which would start with Campaign Notes explaining the spin-off and how gamers might use it as a template for their own stories (set-up, tone, tropes, etc.), and then characters, villains, locations and gadgets as would be proper. So if you want to write up the Paternoster audios, the format is the same, though you might want to also write an introduction (anything from half a page to a full page (aim for the same word count as a Location) as well. In such a case, the characters have already been written up in an official sourcebook, but their own adventures can be discussed and hopefully, the stats aren't the same because things have been revealed, changes made, etc. Note that if a Doctor appears in a spin-off book or audio, some material may appears in the main books or their addenda, so I would check in that Doctor's thread before jumping into something that's already been done or that will be, so that writers don't step on one another toes. With this much lead time (we'll be in 7th-8th hell for the foreseeable future), it should be possible to coordinate things between ourselves (MisterHarry is leading the charge on such "crossover material", so if he says it's okay, then it's okay with me as well; generally the STARS of the spin-offs will be off-limits, but a monster might make it in - I might republish those pages in the spin-off book to have everything together in each book). I hope that answers your questions. I would recommend doing one or two entries and shuffling them my way so I can make some editor's comments, just to make sure we agree on format. It makes things a lot easier on the layout side of things, and I don't want to be asking for rewrites on any number of entries years from now. You understand. Can't wait to see what you've got cooked up. Now if you'll excuse me, I've promised myself the 7th Doctor's first book must release in September... Thanks for the advice Siskoid and misterharry. I'll be sure to take it on board when I get around to it. And ooh... are we due another draft of the 7th Doctor sourcebook before its' release in September? I can't wait to see the finished product. I am sure it will be most tremendous.
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misterharry
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Post by misterharry on Aug 9, 2019 19:37:40 GMT
And ooh... are we due another draft of the 7th Doctor sourcebook before its' release in September? I certainly hope so!
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misterharry
Dominus Tempus
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Favourite Doctors: Second, Third, Fourth, Eleventh, Thirteenth
Traits: Empathic, Face in the Crowd, Insatiable Curiosity, Stubborn, Phobia (Heights), Unadventurous
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Post by misterharry on Aug 23, 2019 15:34:03 GMT
I'd just echo Siskoid's request to co-ordinate on any stories in which the Doctor makes a guest appearance (there are several in the Jago & Litefoot and The Diary of River Song ranges, for example), just so we avoid duplication of effort and different/conflicting write-ups for the same villains/monsters/etc appearing in different sourcebooks. Ideally, there are enough concepts in those stories that we can include something for each of them in both the spin-offs books and the relevant Doctors' sourcebooks. So when you get to any of these crossover stories, could you post in his thread what you intend to cover from them as it would be very helpful. I'm currently writing stuff for The Fourth Doctor Addendum. There's a story in The Diary of River Song Series Four that features the 4th Doctor, Someone I Once Knew. For this one, I've written an entry for the planet Discordia Prime, which leaves the Discordia themselves to be covered in more detail in whichever spin-offs sourcebook includes River Song's adventures.
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Post by Siskoid on Aug 25, 2019 21:13:31 GMT
And ooh... are we due another draft of the 7th Doctor sourcebook before its' release in September? I certainly hope so! I'll probably be putting out regular updated drafts through September until the book is done.
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Post by grinch on Sept 27, 2019 13:30:26 GMT
Should really have said before that I can include the statblock for the Night Travellers as part of the Spin Off Sourcebook. That is if they’re of an acceptable standard.
Also, what is happening with the various Unbound Doctors in terms of statblocks? Should they be included here or elsewhere? Mainly because I’m contemplating giving David Colling’s Doctor from the excellent ‘Full Fathom Five’ a go.
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Post by Siskoid on Sept 29, 2019 11:31:44 GMT
Yes the Unbounds will be in one of the spin-off books.
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Post by lupercal on Feb 4, 2023 7:44:04 GMT
Will these appear as Off-Off Canon in any books? These semi-professional movies (and other like them) would be fascinating to make a sourcebook about. Now I'm personally utterly rubbish at creating these things, but perhaps someone in the community would like to have a go at it?
Friendly greetings, Horus Lupercal.
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misterharry
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Post by misterharry on Feb 4, 2023 10:57:18 GMT
They're very unlikely to be covered by the EU project. Our scope is officially licensed products and I think these are unlicensed, fan-made productions (even if they're in some sense semi-professional). We've included a few things from videos and audios by the likes of BBV and Reeltime, but these are all licensed by the owners of the characters and monsters used (though not by the BBC) and are professional in the sense of being sold rather than distributed for free. The cost of $4 for all four of the Barbara Benedetti films is a charge to cover the cost of a DVD and shipping only, so they weren't a commercial enterprise.
Maybe somebody else would be willing to develop a sourcebook for these (and possibly similar endeavours)?
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Post by lupercal on Feb 5, 2023 3:19:14 GMT
Hmm. Perhaps a book containing all the off-canon and non-canon doctors, etc.? I dream of a book containing the Sarah Jane Adventures (including the K9 and Company episode, of course). Unfortunately I'm rubbish at creating stats so someone else will have to make those books (and if they do I will praise them to high heavens of course).
Friendly greetings, Horus Lupercal.
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misterharry
Dominus Tempus
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Traits: Empathic, Face in the Crowd, Insatiable Curiosity, Stubborn, Phobia (Heights), Unadventurous
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Post by misterharry on Feb 5, 2023 17:04:11 GMT
Oh, I imagine that once we've published sourcebooks for all the Doctors, we'll move onto Torchwood, The Sarah Jane Adventures and possibly even a thin booklet for Class, each covering their TV stories plus novels, audios, etc.
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Post by lupercal on Feb 9, 2023 9:35:56 GMT
Sounds great! But I wonder if the boards might have to create a TV-series Sourcebook for the 13th Doctor using 1st Edition rules (BEST RULES) for ourselves. I highly doubt that a Second Edition official one would fit in with the other 12. Unfortunately.
Friendly greetings, Horus Lupercal.
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misterharry
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Post by misterharry on Feb 9, 2023 11:34:18 GMT
Sounds great! But I wonder if the boards might have to create a TV-series Sourcebook for the 13th Doctor using 1st Edition rules (BEST RULES) for ourselves. I highly doubt that a Second Edition official one would fit in with the other 12. Unfortunately. Friendly greetings, Horus Lupercal. Although this might be tempting, my own feeling (not having discussed this with anyone else in the project team) is that by producing a sourcebook covering material which is in scope of Cubicle 7's licence, we risk them serving us with a cease and desist for the entire project. So far, they've turned a blind eye to what we do, and I suspect that's largely to do with us not stepping on their toes. There have been several Cubicle 7 employees and writers on these forums over the years (though none currently active so far as I know), so it's unlikely that they've been completely unaware of the EU sourcebooks, just that we're not infringing on what they're publishing.
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Post by lupercal on Feb 10, 2023 10:30:56 GMT
But perhaps a little conversion manual for items and such if/when they release their official book? BTW, do we even know if they WILL release an official 13th Doctor Sourcebook?
Friendly greetings, Horus Lupercal.
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misterharry
Dominus Tempus
Dalek Caan's Lovechild
Posts: 3,246
Favourite Doctors: Second, Third, Fourth, Eleventh, Thirteenth
Traits: Empathic, Face in the Crowd, Insatiable Curiosity, Stubborn, Phobia (Heights), Unadventurous
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Post by misterharry on Feb 10, 2023 12:11:51 GMT
But perhaps a little conversion manual for items and such if/when they release their official book? BTW, do we even know if they WILL release an official 13th Doctor Sourcebook? Friendly greetings, Horus Lupercal. It would likely be seen by Cubicle 7 as directly competing with their official sourcebook, potentially costing them sales. Personally, it's not something I'd want to risk the rest of the project over, particuarly when converting stats from 2e to 1e is relatively straightforward for GMs anyway. There hasn't been any official confirmation of a Thirteenth Doctor Sourcebook yet, but I imagine it's in the pipeline.
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Post by thewarchief on Feb 10, 2023 16:22:18 GMT
It would likely be seen by Cubicle 7 as directly competing with their official sourcebook, potentially costing them sales. Personally, it's not something I'd want to risk the rest of the project over, particuarly when converting stats from 2e to 1e is relatively straightforward for GMs anyway. Wise move. I suspect they aren't bothered if you cover things that they were never going to, such as stats for Forbisher, but if you were to cover the same stuff or reverse engineer 2e stuff to 1e you'd could be viewed as a competitor. There hasn't been any official confirmation of a Thirteenth Doctor Sourcebook yet, but I imagine it's in the pipeline. Yeah, it would be hard for them not to do one, unless there were no Doctor's Sourcebooks at all for 2e.
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Post by lupercal on Feb 11, 2023 4:42:07 GMT
Well it does depend on how good the sales where for the Doctor Sourcebooks for 1st Edition, doesn't it? But hopefully we'll get a 13th Doctor Sourcebook anyway.
Friendly greetings, Horus Lupercal.
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misterharry
Dominus Tempus
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Posts: 3,246
Favourite Doctors: Second, Third, Fourth, Eleventh, Thirteenth
Traits: Empathic, Face in the Crowd, Insatiable Curiosity, Stubborn, Phobia (Heights), Unadventurous
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Post by misterharry on Feb 11, 2023 17:32:12 GMT
Well it does depend on how good the sales where for the Doctor Sourcebooks for 1st Edition, doesn't it? But hopefully we'll get a 13th Doctor Sourcebook anyway. Friendly greetings, Horus Lupercal. I seem to recall somebody from Cubicle 7 saying that the Doctor Who releases significantly outsold their other ranges, even their Middle Earth titles. This was at the time they were pumping out the Doctors sourcebooks every few months, so I don't think sales of those would be a concern. I think it depends more on whether their product strategy for 2e includes Doctor-specific sourcebooks and whether they believe that the 13th Doctor is popular enough. They might also want to wait and see what happens with the 14th Doctor. From what we know, there'll only be three TV stories for his sourcebook, so they might want to combine his with either the 13th or 15th sourcebooks, or with something else entirely.
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Post by thewarchief on Feb 11, 2023 18:34:26 GMT
Well it does depend on how good the sales where for the Doctor Sourcebooks for 1st Edition, doesn't it? But hopefully we'll get a 13th Doctor Sourcebook anyway. Friendly greetings, Horus Lupercal. Obviously. In the end the viability of the line will come down to how well it sells and what sort of profits it brings in. I think as far as the 1st edition books go it's mostly fait accompli, that is they've been out for a few years already and have succeeded, or not already. THe 2nd edition and DOctor's & Daleks linesare what's coming out now, and it's likely that the decline in the show's ratings have negatively impacted the sales. You can see that in the forums here. They used to be a lot busier. Hopefully RTD's and David Tennant's return will renew interest in the show and draw more people to the RPG.
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Post by spydalek on Feb 11, 2023 19:11:30 GMT
Well it does depend on how good the sales where for the Doctor Sourcebooks for 1st Edition, doesn't it? But hopefully we'll get a 13th Doctor Sourcebook anyway. Friendly greetings, Horus Lupercal. I seem to recall somebody from Cubicle 7 saying that the Doctor Who releases significantly outsold their other ranges, even their Middle Earth titles. This was at the time they were pumping out the Doctors sourcebooks every few months, so I don't think sales of those would be a concern. I think it depends more on whether their product strategy for 2e includes Doctor-specific sourcebooks and whether they believe that the 13th Doctor is popular enough. They might also want to wait and see what happens with the 14th Doctor. From what we know, there'll only be three TV stories for his sourcebook, so they might want to combine his with either the 13th or 15th sourcebooks, or with something else entirely. Eight only had two television stories. But they added in an entire campaign to bolster it out. They could maybe do something similar for 14, if they do one.
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misterharry
Dominus Tempus
Dalek Caan's Lovechild
Posts: 3,246
Favourite Doctors: Second, Third, Fourth, Eleventh, Thirteenth
Traits: Empathic, Face in the Crowd, Insatiable Curiosity, Stubborn, Phobia (Heights), Unadventurous
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Post by misterharry on Feb 11, 2023 19:52:00 GMT
Eight only had two television stories. But they added in an entire campaign to bolster it out. They could maybe do something similar for 14, if they do one. Yeah, I don't know why I didn't think of that when I posted!
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Post by spydalek on Feb 11, 2023 19:58:07 GMT
Eight only had two television stories. But they added in an entire campaign to bolster it out. They could maybe do something similar for 14, if they do one. Yeah, I don't know why I didn't think of that when I posted! I only remembered because I liked the idea behind it, and was gonna use it in something.
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Post by thewarchief on Feb 11, 2023 20:18:41 GMT
Eight only had two television stories. But they added in an entire campaign to bolster it out. They could maybe do something similar for 14, if they do one. Maybe, but maybe not. With 8 I can see it because MCGann never got much of a chance to play the Doctor, at least on TV, plus we know that 8 did have other, televised adventures. But,Tennant not only plays 14, but he also played 10 so he at least had a good run. I suppose it will depend on just what 14's story arc is. If he is only around for one story and then regenerates in 15, then there might not be any time between adventures to squeeze in any "off screen" adventures. If the story is a bit more spread out, with some possible off screen adventures (it didn't take much to retroactively squeeze the back story for Face of Evil into Robot) And that assumes 14 is really 14, and not some strange timey-whimey version of 10, a clone or something even more surprising.
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Post by markrand on Feb 11, 2023 23:50:57 GMT
The only Eighth Doctor show I was was the one on Fox. But then, I'm one of the few people on these boards who live in the United States.
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Post by thewarchief on Feb 12, 2023 4:56:49 GMT
The only Eighth Doctor show I was was the one on Fox. But then, I'm one of the few people on these boards who live in the United States. I believe they were referring to the "Night of the Doctor" mini episode where he regenerated into the War Doctor as his second episode.
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Post by markrand on Feb 14, 2023 18:44:56 GMT
The only Eighth Doctor show I was was the one on Fox. But then, I'm one of the few people on these boards who live in the United States. I believe they were referring to the "Night of the Doctor" mini episode where he regenerated into the War Doctor as his second episode. Okay. while BBC America carries "Doctor Who" it doesn't, as far as I know, carry any of the spin-off series. So, I miss out on all the stuff that's available to my fellow "Doctor Who" fans in Europe.
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