Precursor race

[zebaroth]

Precursor race in doctor who any ideas on them
and what they are and what happened to them


have few ideas on this but not much

they worshiped the black and white guardians

they crated other races

they made a race called zirems for a war that
never happened

they also created a bio booster called a guyver

those last two are from some Japanese anime

[Catsmate]

Sept 7, 2014 20:14:11 GMT zebaroth said:

Precursor race in doctor who any ideas on them
and what they are and what happened to them


have few ideas on this but not much

they worshiped the black and white guardians

they crated other races

they made a race called zirems for a war that
never happened

they also created a bio booster called a guyver

those last two are from some Japanese anime

Hmmm, while Precursors/Ancients/Forerunners/Designers/Progenitors are a standard SciFi trope (they have a page), the problem with them in the Whoniverse is that the Time Lords are portrayed as one such species, depending on which bits of the EU you accept. Thus they should know about them and have interacted with them.

Though if you assume that Gallifreyan civilisation is 'only' ten million years or so old there's plenty of room for mysterious elder races, such as the Constructors of Destiny mentioned in the Mondas thread.

There's no reason not to re-use ancient civilisations from other SciFi, e.g. the Tar-Aiym and Hur'rikku from Foster's Humanx books.

[Stormcrow]

I never got the impression that anyone worships the Guardians. The Time Lords fear and respect them, certainly, but no one ever supplicates them. They seem to be above mortal concerns, most of the time.

[zebaroth]

of coarse the time lords would know about them the Precursors would be considered
gods by some but they have not been seen in long time as a story arc what would be
the key word

[Catsmate]

Oct 12, 2014 22:54:18 GMT zebaroth said:

of coarse the time lords would know about them the Precursors would be considered
gods by some but they have not been seen in long time as a story arc what would be
the key word

The problem is, in a time travel game you can go back and meet them. Though this isn't necessarily a good idea, as Jason found out in Eternity Weeps.

However a sufficiently powerful race might deter detailed investigation by Gallifrey, so their data might be quite limited. With time travel there's always the danger that a sufficiently advanced race might capture a TARDIS and hence bugger up history. Thus a GM could justify a Time Lord knowing a little about a Precursor race ("That's a chitin cleaner used by the Kar'vel'k. Be careful, while it won't cut living tissue it could carve up a tank".) while being generally ignorant of the details of their history and culture ("How was I to know that smiling was a challenge to mortal combat!?").

I can't see Time Lords worshiping much; their combination of power, arrogance and cynicism is anathema to such belief. Of course there are always the nuts, like Ruath, but they're more akin to Cthulhu cultists.

Mostly in Who (as in a lot of SF) the Precursors seem to appear by proxy, the detritus of their civilisation in the form of Mysterious Artefacts, ranging from pocket to planet sized.

[zebaroth]

Oct 13, 2014 11:15:14 GMT Catsmate said:

Oct 12, 2014 22:54:18 GMT zebaroth said:

of coarse the time lords would know about them the Precursors would be considered
gods by some but they have not been seen in long time as a story arc what would be
the key word

The problem is, in a time travel game you can go back and meet them. Though this isn't necessarily a good idea, as Jason found out in Eternity Weeps.

However a sufficiently powerful race might deter detailed investigation by Gallifrey, so their data might be quite limited. With time travel there's always the danger that a sufficiently advanced race might capture a TARDIS and hence bugger up history. Thus a GM could justify a Time Lord knowing a little about a Precursor race ("That's a chitin cleaner used by the Kar'vel'k. Be careful, while it won't cut living tissue it could carve up a tank".) while being generally ignorant of the details of their history and culture ("How was I to know that smiling was a challenge to mortal combat!?").

I can't see Time Lords worshiping much; their combination of power, arrogance and cynicism is anathema to such belief. Of course there are always the nuts, like Ruath, but they're more akin to Cthulhu cultists.

Mostly in Who (as in a lot of SF) the Precursors seem to appear by proxy, the detritus of their civilisation in the form of Mysterious Artefacts, ranging from pocket to planet sized.

the time lords do not worship Precursors i meant to a (.) there. as for going back in time to see the
Precursors they do not exist at any point in time anymore. the ruins of cites and strange machines are all that exist of them

[Catsmate]

Yeah Precursor races are generally going to be known by their detritus.
But players will still ask why the Matrix doesn't have information about them, so I like to have a suitable reason.

Actually, on a related topic, I'm toying with doing a write-up of a version of The Great Library of Celaeno, from the Cthulhu Mythos, for the Whoniverse.
An enormous collection of knowledge, housed in a dimensionally transcendental building, of mysterious origin, perfect to tempt the PCs to brave it's hazards.
And those hazards will make the Vashta Nerada seem like nothing...

Getting there is difficult. Surviving is harder. Leaving is nearly impossible.

[zebaroth]

Oct 13, 2014 21:44:13 GMT Catsmate said:

Yeah Precursor races are generally going to be known by their detritus.
But players will still ask why the Matrix doesn't have information about them, so I like to have a suitable reason.

Actually, on a related topic, I'm toying with doing a write-up of a version of The Great Library of Celaeno, from the Cthulhu Mythos, for the Whoniverse.
An enormous collection of knowledge, housed in a dimensionally transcendental building, of mysterious origin, perfect to tempt the PCs to brave it's hazards.
And those hazards will make the Vashta Nerada seem like nothing...

Getting there is difficult. Surviving is harder. Leaving is nearly impossible.

what info there is in the matrix on them is so disconnected that knowing what is the truth and what is not would be impossible

[Catsmate]

Oct 22, 2014 6:41:18 GMT zebaroth said:

Oct 13, 2014 21:44:13 GMT Catsmate said:

Yeah Precursor races are generally going to be known by their detritus.
But players will still ask why the Matrix doesn't have information about them, so I like to have a suitable reason.

Actually, on a related topic, I'm toying with doing a write-up of a version of The Great Library of Celaeno, from the Cthulhu Mythos, for the Whoniverse.
An enormous collection of knowledge, housed in a dimensionally transcendental building, of mysterious origin, perfect to tempt the PCs to brave it's hazards.
And those hazards will make the Vashta Nerada seem like nothing...

Getting there is difficult. Surviving is harder. Leaving is nearly impossible.

what info there is in the matrix on them is so disconnected that knowing what is the truth and what is not would be impossible

Good point. For the creators of the Final Library I suggested a long-ago conflict with the Time Lords and erasure from history, with collateral loss of Gallifreyan records.
Of course you're right, actually putting together small fragments of data in a vast whole isn't likely to give a reliable general picture.
Just look at how wrong human archaeologists have been.