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Post by Polar Bear on Apr 21, 2014 12:02:19 GMT
Comparison of vehicular and heavy weapons between DWAITAS and Primeval. Also useful in terms of comparing the two systems; thank you. Yes, I'd even classify that grenade entry as a typo.
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Post by misterharry on Apr 21, 2014 15:57:28 GMT
Vacuum speed is based on the calculations I did from the sample space ships in Rocket Age. I did math (using a calculator ) on the stats there, and the multiples ended up being between 9 and 24. I backwards engineered that range as being equivalent to 6 + 3D6. You can double-check me if you like, as I've been caught once on this thread already. I think the way to handle ships with totally different drives is, as you suggested either in this or the sister thread (maybe some kind mod could merge them?), is to create a "hyperspace" or "warp" or "wormhole" Trait. It was just a personal thing - if that's how they've worked it in Rocket Age, it makes sense to continue with it. And yes, traits along the lines of FTL Drive and Hyperdrive are needed if using the RA vehicle rules in DWAITAS, otherwise spaceships won't be able to travel faster than light. By the way, if you want a direct calculation to convert mph to Speed, then dividing mph by 3 is a very rough method. Though this only works for Rocket Age Speeds, not DWAITAS Speeds - due in part to the discrepancy between character and vehicles speeds in DWAITAS, and the much lower vehicle Speeds in DWAITAS.
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Post by Polar Bear on Apr 21, 2014 20:47:35 GMT
Okay, it's done. I'm ready to create a thread under "GM Content and Resources." Only thing is, I can't find the "Upload file" button. Can anyone help me find the right button, or do I just need to do a Dropbox thingy?
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Post by misterharry on Apr 22, 2014 8:29:21 GMT
Okay, it's done. I'm ready to create a thread under "GM Content and Resources." Only thing is, I can't find the "Upload file" button. Can anyone help me find the right button, or do I just need to do a Dropbox thingy? Hmmm, there used to be a button marked "Attach File" or some such, but I've just had a look and can't see it there anymore... Guess you'll need to add a link to a Dropbox address? In the meantime, I've been calculating the Speed for vehicles with stats in the Rocket Age rulebook, using my suggested mph divided by 3 calculation, to see how they come out. Here are the results - I've added the Action Round Speed from the rulebook for comparison: Biplane: 410 kph = 256.25 mph = 85 Speed (ARS 683) Fighter Plane: 452 kph = 282.5 mph = 94 Speed (ARS 753) Cargo Plane: 321 kph = 200.625 mph = 67 Speed (ARS 535) Sea Plane: 290 kph = 181.25 mph = 60 Speed (ARS 483) Roadster: 193 kph = 120.625 mph = 40 Speed (ARS 322) Touring Car: 133 kph = 83.125 mph = 28 Speed (ARS 267) Racing Car: 241 kph = 150.625 mph = 50 Speed (ARS 402) Motorcycle: 150 kph = 93.75 mph = 31 Speed (ARS 250) Cargo Truck: 72 kph = 45 mph = 15 Speed (ARS 120) Armored Car: 72 kph = 45 mph = 15 Speed (ARS 120) Light Tank: 56 kph = 35 mph = 12 Speed (ARS 93) Heavy Tank: 38 kph = 23.75 mph = 8 Speed (ARS 63) I've not covered the various rocket-powered vehicles and spaceships. Any comments on how these look? Bear in mind that these are all 1930s vehicles. They are still a lot higher than for equivalent vehicles under the DWAITAS rules, but make more sense when compared to human Speed.
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Post by Catsmate on Apr 22, 2014 16:29:15 GMT
Those speeds seem generally OK. Some comparisons from my Pulp notes. Biplane: 410 kph = 256.25 mph = 85 Speed (ARS 683) - P-6 (1929) 204mph (328km/h)
A little fast, this would be OK for a late biplane fighter (like the Glad below). Certainly too fast for the cargo/passenger planes, though they were becoming mainly monoplanes. Fighter Plane: 452 kph 282.5 mph = 94 Speed (ARS 753) The thirties saw a huge transition in aircraft design so here are three samples: - Hurricane (1936) 340mph (547km/h) monoplane
- P-29 Peashooter (1932) 234mph (377km/h) early monoplane, open cockpit, fixed undercarriage
- Gloster Gladiator (1934) 253mph (407km/h) late biplane
Overall the speed looks OK within the range Cargo Plane 321 kph = 200.625 mph = 67 Speed (ARS 535) - DC-2 (1934) 210mph (338km/h)
Seems good. Sea Plane 290 kph = 181.25 mph = 60 Speed (ARS 483) - Shorts Sunderland (1934) 210mph (328km/h)
Seems good. The Sunderland is representative of the big, long range flying boats of the era. Roadster 193 kph = 120.625 mph = 40 Speed (ARS 322) - Duesenberg J type (1932) 119mph (192km/h) supercharged version is faster by ~15%
Seems good. Touring Car 133 kph = 83.125 mph = 28 Speed (ARS 267) - Studebaker Big Six (1926) 64mph (103km/h)
Seems fast, though the classic big seven seater touring car was somewhat out of fashion in the '30s. Racing Car 241 kph = 150.625 mph = 50 Speed (ARS 402) - Mercedes-Benz SSK (1931) 125mph (200km/h) last of the big cars before the GP rules changed
This is a difficult one, the SSK is a street-legal two-seat racer, the light GP cars of a few years later would be faster. Motorcycle 150 kph = 93.75 mph = 31 Speed (ARS 250) - BSA Empire Star (1936) 90mph (144km/h) top end non-racer
Seems good. Cargo Truck 72 kph = 45 mph = 15 Speed (ARS 120) - Austin K5 (1940) 38mph (61km/hr)
Seems fast. Typical cargo trucks of the '30s were mostly slower, the K5 is a wartime design. 40-50km/h would seem more likely. Armored Car 72 kph = 45 mph = 15 Speed (ARS 120) - SdKfz 222 (1935) 52mph (83km/hr)
Seems good. Fast recon cars, often with drivers each end, were in vogue in the '30s. Light Tank 56 kph = 35 mph = 12 Speed (ARS 93) - USA M2 light (1935) 36mph (58km/hr)
Seems good. Heavy Tank 38 kph = 23.75 mph = 8 Speed (ARS 63) - Vickers A1E1 19mph (30km/hr)
Seems OK, maybe a little fast as the A1E1 was one of the faster of the multi-turret monstrosities that were briefly popular. 34 tonnes and a 36 litre V12. Hope this helps.
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Post by Polar Bear on Apr 22, 2014 21:01:57 GMT
Here's my dropbox, where you should (should) be able to access p. 1 and p. 2 of the Vehicle Sheet. Let me know of any changes needed, or if it ends up not being publicly accessible. Credit where credit is due: My genius son. :^)
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Post by misterharry on Apr 23, 2014 14:56:02 GMT
Those speeds seem generally OK. Some comparisons from my Pulp notes. <snip> Hope this helps. Thanks for the info. The kph values were taken directly from the Rocket Age rulebook, so I was hoping they'd be more or less right, and the examples you've provided will be very useful.
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Post by misterharry on Apr 23, 2014 18:08:20 GMT
Here's my dropbox, where you should (should) be able to access p. 1 and p. 2 of the Vehicle Sheet. Let me know of any changes needed, or if it ends up not being publicly accessible. Credit where credit is due: My genius son. :^) I like it! One suggestion - I wonder whether it would be better to list DWAITAS Speed as mph/3 rather than ARS/8. The resulting number is the same, but we can find mph for all real-world vehicles, whereas we only have ARS for those vehicles statted in Rocket Age (though it can be calculated - it's just a more roundabout method). Anyway, of possible assistance with this, I've pulled together a list of real-world vehicles with mph and Speeds calculated: Planes, Trains & AutomobilesThey're mainly 1930s (due to Rocket Age - and with thanks to catsmate) and modern-day, with a sprinkling of other eras. The list isn't intended to be comprehensive, but hopefully gives some guidance to build on.
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Post by Polar Bear on Apr 23, 2014 20:30:07 GMT
One suggestion - I wonder whether it would be better to list DWAITAS Speed as mph/3 rather than ARS/8. The resulting number is the same, but we can find mph for all real-world vehicles, whereas we only have ARS for those vehicles statted in Rocket Age (though it can be calculated - it's just a more roundabout method). Anyway, of possible assistance with this, I've pulled together a list of real-world vehicles with mph and Speeds calculated: Planes, Trains & AutomobilesThey're mainly 1930s (due to Rocket Age - and with thanks to catsmate) and modern-day, with a sprinkling of other eras. The list isn't intended to be comprehensive, but hopefully gives some guidance to build on. Re. mph/3: I'll do so. I've emailed Khadim Nasser, and he likes it too, but he doesn't want credit, despite my having stolen some of his ideas. I've also FB'd Nick Seidler, and he's talking about putting the revised version in a future Diary of the Doctor. Do you want to be credited as Misterharry, Mister Harry, or another name? My guess is that your Planes, Trains, & Automobiles document could be right next to it--do you want to send that to Nick, or do you want me to (or no thanks)? Great tag-team!
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Post by misterharry on Apr 24, 2014 9:53:15 GMT
I've also FB'd Nick Seidler, and he's talking about putting the revised version in a future Diary of the Doctor. Do you want to be credited as Misterharry, Mister Harry, or another name? My guess is that your Planes, Trains, & Automobiles document could be right next to it--do you want to send that to Nick, or do you want me to (or no thanks)? Great tag-team! Sounds good to me - by all means send the vehicle speeds document with your sheet to see if Nick's interested in including it (I've also got it in Excel format, if that's easier for him to work with). And I'm happy to be known as misterharry.
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Post by misterharry on May 2, 2014 13:07:40 GMT
Interesting to see that Pulp Fantastic is using a slightly expanded version of the DWAITAS rules for vehicle stats, with Speed more towards the DWAITAS end of the spectrum than Rocket Age. Do you need to tweak your vehicle sheet, Polar Bear?
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Post by Polar Bear on May 2, 2014 20:24:58 GMT
Interesting to see that Pulp Fantastic is using a slightly expanded version of the DWAITAS rules for vehicle stats, with Speed more towards the DWAITAS end of the spectrum than Rocket Age. Do you need to tweak your vehicle sheet, Polar Bear? I'm hoping to post an update Sunday.
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Post by Polar Bear on May 19, 2014 14:34:07 GMT
Update posted; new vehicle sheets available at dropbox via my sig.
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Post by stahlman on Dec 21, 2014 7:56:31 GMT
Rename the third type "conveyors." There's a Big Finish audio in which a Doctor-impostor with limited knowledge of the Doctor has a STARDIS: it's a portable toilet that makes a flushing sound when it disappears (uses its transmat). Ahh, The One Doctor - one of my favourite Big Finish stories! Though if I recall correctly, Banto Zame's STARDIS is actually just a short-range teleport capsule to get him back to his spaceship, not a time machine.
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