Any word on the sourcebooks?

[Mark Anthony Quested]

Nov 6, 2010 0:34:24 GMT jeffrywith1e said:

Just checking...

We have the Core Box set
The Screen
The Aliens and Creatures box

and that's it so far.

Right?

The gamemaster's screen was out of print, last time I checked the on-line C7 store. It may still be available in some stores.

Defending the Earth and the Time Travellers Guide are to follow. Others are in the pipeline, apparently. But what has now been released thus far is more than enough to get games started.

[kaemaril]

Nov 7, 2010 20:05:45 GMT Mark Anthony Quested said:

The gamemaster's screen was out of print, last time I checked the on-line C7 store. It may still be available in some stores.

Yeah, Angus mentioned at Indiecon that the screen was out of stock. They had stock of Aliens & Creatures and the core rule book at their C7 stand - I understand they sold relatively well

FYI, according to their online store Leisure Games still has stock (if anyone in the UK needs one ... )

[misterharry]

From info from Dragonmeet 2010, including this report linked to from Siskoid's blog update thread...
dirtywhoers.blogspot.com/2010/11/pixie-invasion-london-2010.html
... it sounds like the rebranded core set won't be available until mid-2011.

A post from Cubicle 7 on their own forum has also suggested to look out for Dr Who related material in April 2011 - presumably the above item?

So it sounds as if it'll be several more months before any more DWAITS material is released.

[Mark Anthony Quested]

Dec 5, 2010 18:46:34 GMT misterharry said:

From info from Dragonmeet 2010, including this report linked to from Siskoid's blog update thread...
dirtywhoers.blogspot.com/2010/11/pixie-invasion-london-2010.html
... it sounds like the rebranded core set won't be available until mid-2011.

A post from Cubicle 7 on their own forum has also suggested to look out for Dr Who related material in April 2011 - presumably the above item?

So it sounds as if it'll be several more months before any more DWAITS material is released.

A nice little blog. Thank you. Sadly, I was working that Saturday and could not get to Dragonmeet.

Good to hear about the revised core set and other box sets. What with the Fields of the Nephilim special edition DVD/CD box set and the DWAITAS stuff coming out, it looks like my bank balance will be shedding a few pounds again!!!

[NurseRani]

The screen is now selling for $300 on Amazon.com. I've noticed that about gaming material - as soon as it goes out of print, or out of stock the prices go up 10 - 20 times. I don't know if Amazon is listing Victoriana anymore - but it was listed as "Out of Print" a few months ago, and someone wanted $1000 for a used copy.

[Mark Anthony Quested]

Jan 2, 2011 9:22:32 GMT NurseRani said:

The screen is now selling for $300 on Amazon.com. I've noticed that about gaming material - as soon as it goes out of print, or out of stock the prices go up 10 - 20 times. I don't know if Amazon is listing Victoriana anymore - but it was listed as "Out of Print" a few months ago, and someone wanted $1000 for a used copy.

It's sold out virtually everywhere!

Coincidentially, I bought a third copy the other day for about £5, still wrapped. Certainly cheaper than $1000!

[NurseRani]

Of Victoriana ? Oh, I would love to give Victoriana a try ! I'm in the states, though. And not in a very gamer-friendly part o the country. I've never seen a Cubicle 7 game on the shelves. Even Doctor Who - and the show is reasonably popular here.

I work in a Hastings store (Books, Music, and DVDs, as it says on the front of the building ) - and we sell the show with fair regularity (we have the first 4 seasons on sale as a matter of fact, and they fly off shelves).

[Corone]

Yup, new Matt Smith core box is due for April in time for the new series.
No reason as yet to assume we won't hit that date.
Then the rest of the long overdue sets can follow.

Victoriana is still very much in print.
We've also just released a packed India sourcebook for it called Jewel of the Empire.

[imajica]

Corone, I love your optimism.

If anyone wants to buy a Tennant core set and GM's screen, make me an offer. I'm going digital. PDFs all the way. I'll ship to anywhere in the world but the buyer will have to pay postage.

[thewarchief]

Jan 3, 2011 15:11:18 GMT imajica said:

If anyone wants to buy a Tennant core set and GM's screen, make me an offer. I'm going digital. PDFs all the way. I'll ship to anywhere in the world but the buyer will have to pay postage.

Where on Earth are you? Overseas shipping can get pricey.

[imajica]

I'm in the UK. If anyone's interested, I can get a quote for postage and let you know. If I've not had any bites by Monday, I'll stick this along with a few other things on eBay. I need the shelf space!

[Corone]

Jan 3, 2011 15:11:18 GMT imajica said:

Corone, I love your optimism.

Well, in my defence I have worked on all these books,
so I have a better idea of what stage they are at :-)

For core sets, I believe C7 still has a few Tennant sets left,
but the GM's screen is waaaaaaay out of print.

[zebaroth]

Jan 2, 2011 9:22:32 GMT NurseRani said:

The screen is now selling for $300 on Amazon.com. I've noticed that about gaming material - as soon as it goes out of print, or out of stock the prices go up 10 - 20 times. I don't know if Amazon is listing Victoriana anymore - but it was listed as "Out of Print" a few months ago, and someone wanted $1000 for a used copy.

i think that is stupid just because something is out of print
the price shoots up 200+ like the BESM 3rd ed book

[ugavine]

If anyone is interested Waylands Forge in Birmingham, UK, have a copy of the GM screen in stock. Or did three days ago.

[imajica]

Neither of my listings sold. Bummer. I'll re-list on Monday, knock the price down a bit.

But in other news, slippage seems to be happening again. Defending the Earth: May/June, Time Traveller's Companion: June/July. But at least the new core set and screen are in the C7 store.

[Mark Anthony Quested]

Jan 18, 2011 22:14:01 GMT ugavine said:

If anyone is interested Waylands Forge in Birmingham, UK, have a copy of the GM screen in stock. Or did three days ago.

I have not shopped there in years! Nice to hear it is still going. ;D

[Mark Anthony Quested]

Jan 22, 2011 9:31:12 GMT imajica said:

Neither of my listings sold. Bummer. I'll re-list on Monday, knock the price down a bit.

But in other news, slippage seems to be happening again. Defending the Earth: May/June, Time Traveller's Companion: June/July. But at least the new core set and screen are in the C7 store.

Not surprising. That was always bound to happen, as they are presumably being rebranded to fit the current series house style.

[misterharry]

Jan 22, 2011 17:53:37 GMT Mark Anthony Quested said:

Jan 22, 2011 9:31:12 GMT imajica said:

But in other news, slippage seems to be happening again. Defending the Earth: May/June, Time Traveller's Companion: June/July. But at least the new core set and screen are in the C7 store.

Not surprising. That was always bound to happen, as they are presumably being rebranded to fit the current series house style.

The 11th Doctor branding was announced a year ago, so that can't be the reason.

[Rel Fexive]

Jan 22, 2011 20:17:17 GMT misterharry said:

Jan 22, 2011 17:53:37 GMT Mark Anthony Quested said:

Not surprising. That was always bound to happen, as they are presumably being rebranded to fit the current series house style.

The 11th Doctor branding was announced a year ago, so that can't be the reason.

...Except that the result of the rebranding was only recently revealed, and we knew these two books would only come out after the new look version was 'released', so yes, clearly, that is the reason.

[misterharry]

Jan 23, 2011 12:07:24 GMT Rel Fexive said:

...Except that the result of the rebranding was only recently revealed, and we knew these two books would only come out after the new look version was 'released', so yes, clearly, that is the reason.

Not sure I follow you. Is there a change in branding between series 5 and 6?

[kaemaril]

Jan 23, 2011 12:07:24 GMT Rel Fexive said:

Jan 22, 2011 20:17:17 GMT misterharry said:

The 11th Doctor branding was announced a year ago, so that can't be the reason.

...Except that the result of the rebranding was only recently revealed, and we knew these two books would only come out after the new look version was 'released', so yes, clearly, that is the reason.

I'm not sure I'm following you, Rex. The 'new look' of Doctor Who was released/announced well over a year ago. C7 have had months to settle with the BBC on the look of their product.

If you're suggesting it's taken them this long then it would appear that, once again, the BBC are acting as a huge brake on the C7 release schedule ... which does not at all bode well for future products.

[Rel Fexive]

-New RPG look announced a year ago.
-Work begins on new look of core books.
-Books yet to be released held until re-branding completed.
-Time passes.
-New look of RPG announced.
-New look RPG becomes available in shop.
-Release dates of as yet unreleased books announced - no information yet as to new look.

So they announce, then they work on it, then they get approval, there's a bit of back and forth to finalise the look, and then they announce the end result. THEN, when the new look is finally settled on, they can work on reformatting the unreleased books. OR, they are working on that at the same time, and the extra work and further approval meetings slow down the process of sorting out the unreleased books.

These things take time, y'know, they don't do themselves. I don't understand the "how could it take so long?" mentality.

[kaemaril]

Jan 23, 2011 14:29:28 GMT Rel Fexive said:

-New RPG look announced a year ago.
-Work begins on new look of core books.
-Books yet to be released held until re-branding completed.
-Time passes.
-New look of RPG announced.
-New look RPG becomes available in shop.
-Release dates of as yet unreleased books announced - no information yet as to new look.

So they announce, then they work on it, then they get approval, there's a bit of back and forth to finalise the look, and then they announce the end result. THEN, when the new look is finally settled on, they can work on reformatting the unreleased books. OR, they are working on that at the same time, and the extra work and further approval meetings slow down the process of sorting out the unreleased books.

These things take time, y'know, they don't do themselves. I don't understand the "how could it take so long?" mentality.

It might have something to do with 'they're probably still being rebranded' being postulated as an excuse when the look of the rebranded Doctor Who was announced back at the beginning of October 2009, or fifteen months ago.

These things do, indeed, take time. DTE etc seem to have slipped slightly. No, rebranding (despite that being the postulated excuse) is almost certainly nothing to do with it, because quite frankly if they've not been 'rebranded' yet, three months from hitting stores, then C7 haven't learnt a thing.

Which I don't believe is true.

[Rel Fexive]

*shrugs*

[kaemaril]

Jan 23, 2011 23:31:33 GMT Rel Fexive said:

*shrugs*

Good point.

[Corone]

Jan 23, 2011 20:07:05 GMT @kaemaril said:

It might have something to do with 'they're probably still being rebranded' being postulated as an excuse when the look of the rebranded Doctor Who was announced back at the beginning of October 2009, or fifteen months ago.

These things do, indeed, take time. DTE etc seem to have slipped slightly. No, rebranding (despite that being the postulated excuse) is almost certainly nothing to do with it, because quite frankly if they've not been 'rebranded' yet, three months from hitting stores, then C7 haven't learnt a thing.

Which I don't believe is true.

To be fair, yup, C7 has been slow to produce these books.
But you're suggesting they are actually lying to the public about why and that is simply not fair at all. Here is what I know in the form of a rant:

Originally Defending the Earth and the Time Travellers Companion were moving into layout when the 11th Doctor appeared and C7 got told to redo the core-set. They made a deal to make sure Aliens and Creatures could be released but then had to get a new brand sorted. That takes time! Not only does the new look have to pass the BBC again but the entire set has to be layed out again, and in many places rewritten to include new season 5 stuff. DW isn't the only game line they produce (although yes, it does get prioritized due to its sales and importance) but it still takes time. C7 is just Angus, Dom and Sarah and a group of overworked freelancers.

C7 then made the sensible decision to release the set with the release of season 6. They might have managed it sooner but that release date makes business sense.

Now that set is on the way they can get on with Defending the Earth and Time Travellers, both of which were written long ago. They should come out reasonably quickly after the core-set, but I'm not sure exactly when. Bear in mind that Who is not the only line C7 has and there are people waiting for all their new games. They've released many, many books over the last year so the suggestion they are just wasting time or sitting on their hands doing nothing is just ridiculous. Sure, they announced DW early, we know this and they learned from it. Can we move on now?

I've said this before but it does bear repeating: C7 wants these books out more than you do, because their ability to eat and pay their rent depends on it. I know its a pain to wait for them and I sympathise. But saying 'I can't believe that' when they tell you what is going on and you have no clue as to what problems they might face to make the game happen really doesn't help anyone.

[Mark Anthony Quested]

Jan 24, 2011 17:42:52 GMT Corone said:

Jan 23, 2011 20:07:05 GMT @kaemaril said:

It might have something to do with 'they're probably still being rebranded' being postulated as an excuse when the look of the rebranded Doctor Who was announced back at the beginning of October 2009, or fifteen months ago.

These things do, indeed, take time. DTE etc seem to have slipped slightly. No, rebranding (despite that being the postulated excuse) is almost certainly nothing to do with it, because quite frankly if they've not been 'rebranded' yet, three months from hitting stores, then C7 haven't learnt a thing.

Which I don't believe is true.

To be fair, yup, C7 has been slow to produce these books.
But you're suggesting they are actually lying to the public about why and that is simply not fair at all. Here is what I know in the form of a rant:

Originally Defending the Earth and the Time Travellers Companion were moving into layout when the 11th Doctor appeared and C7 got told to redo the core-set. They made a deal to make sure Aliens and Creatures could be released but then had to get a new brand sorted. That takes time! Not only does the new look have to pass the BBC again but the entire set has to be layed out again, and in many places rewritten to include new season 5 stuff. DW isn't the only game line they produce (although yes, it does get prioritized due to its sales and importance) but it still takes time. C7 is just Angus, Dom and Sarah and a group of overworked freelancers.

C7 then made the sensible decision to release the set with the release of season 6. They might have managed it sooner but that release date makes business sense.

Now that set is on the way they can get on with Defending the Earth and Time Travellers, both of which were written long ago. They should come out reasonably quickly after the core-set, but I'm not sure exactly when. Bear in mind that Who is not the only line C7 has and there are people waiting for all their new games. They've released many, many books over the last year so the suggestion they are just wasting time or sitting on their hands doing nothing is just ridiculous. Sure, they announced DW early, we know this and they learned from it. Can we move on now?

I've said this before but it does bear repeating: C7 wants these books out more than you do, because their ability to eat and pay their rent depends on it. I know its a pain to wait for them and I sympathise. But saying 'I can't believe that' when they tell you what is going on and you have no clue as to what problems they might face to make the game happen really doesn't help anyone.

I have all three, including the new GM screen, on pre-order! ;D

Pre-ordering has been a bit of a bonus for me, as jobwise, I have not been very secure, so it has been nice to pre-order way in advance when I had the money to spend.

This morning, I have ordered 3 copies of the new core rules set and 3 copies of the screen, Geek me up, Scotty! ;D

[Rel Fexive]

Jan 24, 2011 17:42:52 GMT Corone said:

Jan 23, 2011 20:07:05 GMT @kaemaril said:

It might have something to do with 'they're probably still being rebranded' being postulated as an excuse when the look of the rebranded Doctor Who was announced back at the beginning of October 2009, or fifteen months ago.

These things do, indeed, take time. DTE etc seem to have slipped slightly. No, rebranding (despite that being the postulated excuse) is almost certainly nothing to do with it, because quite frankly if they've not been 'rebranded' yet, three months from hitting stores, then C7 haven't learnt a thing.

Which I don't believe is true.

To be fair, yup, C7 has been slow to produce these books.
But you're suggesting they are actually lying to the public about why and that is simply not fair at all. Here is what I know in the form of a rant:

Originally Defending the Earth and the Time Travellers Companion were moving into layout when the 11th Doctor appeared and C7 got told to redo the core-set. They made a deal to make sure Aliens and Creatures could be released but then had to get a new brand sorted. That takes time! Not only does the new look have to pass the BBC again but the entire set has to be layed out again, and in many places rewritten to include new season 5 stuff. DW isn't the only game line they produce (although yes, it does get prioritized due to its sales and importance) but it still takes time. C7 is just Angus, Dom and Sarah and a group of overworked freelancers.

C7 then made the sensible decision to release the set with the release of season 6. They might have managed it sooner but that release date makes business sense.

Now that set is on the way they can get on with Defending the Earth and Time Travellers, both of which were written long ago. They should come out reasonably quickly after the core-set, but I'm not sure exactly when. Bear in mind that Who is not the only line C7 has and there are people waiting for all their new games. They've released many, many books over the last year so the suggestion they are just wasting time or sitting on their hands doing nothing is just ridiculous. Sure, they announced DW early, we know this and they learned from it. Can we move on now?

I've said this before but it does bear repeating: C7 wants these books out more than you do, because their ability to eat and pay their rent depends on it. I know its a pain to wait for them and I sympathise. But saying 'I can't believe that' when they tell you what is going on and you have no clue as to what problems they might face to make the game happen really doesn't help anyone.

This.

[kaemaril]

Jan 24, 2011 17:42:52 GMT Corone said:

But you're suggesting they are actually lying to the public about why and that is simply not fair at all. Here is what I know in the form of a rant:

I am doing no such thing. What I am saying is that any slight slips between the 'planned' release date (which I had originally heard was April/May) and the 'actual' release (May/June, according to the shop) is almost certainly NOT due to any rebranding exercise they've had to undertake in the last year, because that should have been well and truly done by now.

Why mention slippage at all? On Jan 22nd:

But in other news, slippage seems to be happening again. Defending the Earth: May/June, Time Traveller's Companion: June/July. But at least the new core set and screen are in the C7 store.

My emphasis.
And from the same day ...

Not surprising. That was always bound to happen, as they are presumably being rebranded to fit the current series house style

My emphasis.

My point, such as it is, is that this late, and this close to the final release date, you can't really suggest any minor delays might be down to a 'rebranding' that has been known about and has been going on for a year. It's more likely to be down to shipping delays, customs delays, problems with the designs sent to the printers needing to be redone, contract negotiations, supply issues etc.

I most certainly am NOT implying that 'C7 are lying' about anything and I resent any such an inference being made.

[Corone]

Jan 24, 2011 22:06:02 GMT @kaemaril said:

My point, such as it is, is that this late, and this close to the final release date, you can't really suggest any minor delays might be down to a 'rebranding' that has been known about and has been going on for a year. It's more likely to be down to shipping delays, customs delays, problems with the designs sent to the printers needing to be redone, contract negotiations, supply issues etc.

I most certainly am NOT implying that 'C7 are lying' about anything and I resent any such an inference being made.

So I'm confused here.
You say 'it can't possibly be late for the reason they are saying'
but also that you are absolutly not saying they are lying.

Given that I work for them and don't know the details of why the product is set for release when it is (which is at the moment on schedule) I'm at a loss to understand how you seem to have this insider knowledge as to why the books might take time.
All you can do is speculate, which is a waste of time as whatever the reason, speculation won't bring it out any quicker.

Admittedly, saying you are saying they are lying was rather strong of me and not helpful, and I apologise.

But I rather resented your implications given I know Dom and Angus are working damn hard to try and get all their product out for their release dates. They have come on leaps and bounds in the last year or two which I believe is very evident in the way C7 operates today.