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Post by kaemaril on Apr 1, 2010 17:53:58 GMT
Snarky sarcasm is great if you are Rodney McKay, but rarely conductive to a positive environment. And how do you know I'm not Rodney McKay? ;D I'm a very cynical, pessimistic, and sarcastic person. Have been all my life. I tend to game to get out of that frame of mind. I get a few hours of happiness once a week, and a few brief moments every so often when browsing the net for interesting gaming stuff. So it really pisses me off when news likes this yanks me out of my happy place when I spend so much time trying to climb into it. I make no apologies for expressing my displeasure, in the same way that I make no apologies for expressing my pleasure when I see something that's awesome. Even when annoyed, however, please note I've tried to avoid insulting anyone. I apologize if my snarkiness personally offends you. For this reason I'll be staying away from the forum for the time being until I finally hear something that's worth expressing my pleasure on.
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Post by Chrono Sapien on Apr 1, 2010 18:10:18 GMT
Well I certainly never said I was insulted. I just asked if this was the place. As for Rodney McKay and/or snarkiness that wasn't so much of an insult as it was a geekery inspired fond ribbing.
As For your experience, how would we know? I for the most part give people the benefit of the doubt when they state their experience until proven otherwise. On the internet, no one knows you are a dog to use the old addage. I mean, I could say I worked at a movie studio (The Bridge to be specific) for almost three years (which I did) and people could say I didn't.. which doesn't make it any more or less true. So I like to give people the benefit of the doubt.
But this is getting off track. Simply, We understand the frustration. You have your right to express it (I may not believe in a word you say but defend to the death your right to say it), I was just pointing out that just because you can say it, doesn't mean you HAVE to. We sort of got the point.
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Post by Rassilon on Apr 1, 2010 19:08:35 GMT
Lots of us want to get the new products associated with this game, myself included, and while Kaemaril does 'vent his spleen' in a rather corrosive manner, he does have a point to make.
Kaemaril, while venting his frustration, had not broken any rules so don't let this escalate into a flame war.
We all hope C7 overcome whatever problems they are having and continue to make excellent Dr Who RPG products.
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Post by drnate on Apr 1, 2010 20:01:07 GMT
It's super easy to vote with your wallet when there is no new merchandise to purchase. Unfortunately, unless that initial boxed set is still selling gangbusters (or the DM screen) that means C7 is making little money from the Doctor Who license for the next 2-3 months. All the while, cranking out more and more products that also won't see a profit for some time (UNIT, the Hartnell book, etc). And it all concerns me, because I really do want more. And I'm not sure that unprofitable games can survive in this day and age.
I want a thriving, successful line, just as much as the people who stand to profit from it (maybe not that much). I love buying good RPG products. I love discovering and playing with good systems and watching those systems grow. Please let DW live to fill my desires.
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Post by rsaintjohn on Apr 1, 2010 22:07:32 GMT
I've just got to pop in and voice my support for and echo the concerns of Kaemaril. I think it's fair to point out that Angus said last year that, following the delays of the print version of "Starblazer Adventures" and "Doctor Who", they had learned their lesson about announcing release dates. It not only has an impact on us as gamers, but on the distributors and retailers as well. I was trading notes with a big online vendor about A&C and the unrelated mess at Catalyst Game Labs, and he said that these delays do have an impact on their business from both a customer service and an accounting perspective (pre-orders and stock issues), and that publishers need to realize that impact and stop messing with the sales channel.
Anyway, I have cancelled all my pre-orders and also will walk away from purchasing game materials until the releases get back on track. As a gamer, I have what I need with the core box and I'm happy to have bought it. But as an RPG enthusiast and a smart customer, I pre-order things to get a good price and to make sure I have them on/near release day. I consume supplements like books. Some work into my games, some don't. But I'm tired of having to keep track of pre-orders that go back 6 months, especially for games I suspect now will never see the light of day or live up to the initial marketing. That's why I recently dropped CthulhuTech and yesterday cancelled an ancient pre-order for Shadowrun's Runners Toolkit. I'm not saying C7 is in the same boat, but the DW products have required just as much tracking. So I'll wait until things get back on track, then buy them. Maybe. Perhaps I'll have moved on.
One last thing. I don't understand this jump to point the finger at the BBC. Perhaps they contribute to the delays, but I seriously doubt they are responsible for the majority of it. I've said this elsewhere in the past, but somehow other licensees manage to keep to their schedules. Doctor Who Magazine is nearly as timely as the internet, and it comes out at 60-80 pages every 4 weeks. Big Finish manages to get out multiple audios each month. Character Options manages to sneak out action figures of characters weeks after they aired on TV. All of these licensees manage to deal with the BBC in a much more effective fashion than C7 does. Perhaps something is wrong at the BBC, but I think it's just as likely that something is wrong with the contract and/or the publisher, IMHO.
As a customer and an enthusiast, I wish them nothing but luck. If the worst thing I can say is that I want to buy more, then that's a pretty good place for C7 to be in!
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Post by Corone on Apr 2, 2010 14:53:36 GMT
I've just got to pop in and voice my support for and echo the concerns of Kaemaril. As a customer and an enthusiast, I wish them nothing but luck. If the worst thing I can say is that I want to buy more, then that's a pretty good place for C7 to be in! Fair point. I agree that the waiting is frustrating, but imagine how much more frustrating it is for Cubicle 7. They are working hard to hit deadlines they thought would be fine and then something or many somethings conspire to defeat them. I doubt very much there is one simple problem, most likly a selection of small issues that evolve into a big delay. Certainly our speculation won't solve the problem. While it is upsetting to think something is coming out sooner than it is, whether they announce it or not we won't get the supplements any sooner than we do. They are being produced as soon as they can be. While supplements are excellent and worthwhile, really the core set contains everything you need to run a game. So if we never have another supplement, nothing is stopping you run games for as long as you like. I suspect the rage and frustration is not really coming from 'Grrr C7 can't get their act together', more 'I love this game and I want more, why does fate toy with me this way?'. While people should certainly feel free to complain we should also get behind C7 and try to offer them what support we can because we all want to see more of this excellent game.
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Post by azimerthemad on Apr 3, 2010 22:32:25 GMT
I have to echo Corone that my frustration is from not having nifty toys. I worry because this is the same scheduling that killed the Buffy RPG right in the middle of our group's first season. At this schedule, our first DW:AiTS will be over before the supplement comes out.
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Post by thewatcher on Apr 5, 2010 13:56:52 GMT
I believe this article was written to explain the problems surround the delays. www.rpg.net/columns/cubicle7/cubicle73.phtmlPersonally I hope things get smoother for them, I can only imagine how the effects of the recession can restrict up and coming businesses.
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Post by ugavine on Apr 6, 2010 11:20:20 GMT
Personally I would rather they take their time to release a quality product rather than rush it out with loads of errors *cough* Wizards of the coast *cough*
And a 1st Doctor suppliment, that's just fantastic.
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Post by imajica on Apr 6, 2010 15:23:29 GMT
I'm glad someone else has noticed the similarity between the DWAITAS scheduling and BUffy/Angel. We never did get to see Welcome to Sunnydale, Tea & Crossbows, the Investigator's Handbook or any of the other supplements Eden had racked up for Buffy/Angel.
However.
To echo a point made earlier by someone else: What did you do before the Internet?
Well, I made things up myself. Rules, settings, creatures, the whole 9 yards. Just as is being done on the forum now. I shared them with those in the gaming circle.
Delays are bad but, fortunately, I'm a patient person. And I'll wait for quality.
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Post by Null and Void on Apr 7, 2010 12:37:16 GMT
While its disappointing, I' m also not going to say its unexpected... I'm also not going to rail against the Fates and the powers that be for being so unkind as to curse me in such a way. Waiting has always been the game for me. Balancing whats out with what I can afford and what is SUPPOSED to be coming out. Sometimes when there is a delay, I can afford a sigh of relief, because I know I won't have to choose between two quzlity products. A delay simply means more time for me to save money for furture supplements.
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Post by JohnK on Apr 7, 2010 19:55:23 GMT
Hullo, Null and Void, While its disappointing, I' m also not going to say its unexpected... I'm also not going to rail against the Fates and the powers that be for being so unkind as to curse me in such a way. Waiting has always been the game for me. Balancing whats out with what I can afford and what is SUPPOSED to be coming out. Sometimes when there is a delay, I can afford a sigh of relief, because I know I won't have to choose between two quzlity products. A delay simply means more time for me to save money for furture supplements. Excellent way of phrasing this.
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Post by imajica on Apr 7, 2010 19:56:19 GMT
A delay simply means more time for me to save money for future supplements. Or other games. Like the Dresden Files one coming soon. Youch! And I thought DWAITAS was expensive!
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Post by ugavine on May 17, 2010 17:04:14 GMT
I'd rather they take their time and release a quality product rather than rushing it out then following up with a tome of errata (like Wizards of the Coast do).
Plus look at the bright side; the sci-fi big guns Star Wars & Star Trek don't have an RPG in publication.
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Post by lomythica on May 17, 2010 18:25:28 GMT
So far, it seems that the members of this forum have done a fine job in creating resources for stats of companions, enemies, and great story seeds for campaigns and sessions.. I think we'll be ok until C7 is able to get more material out.
Matt
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Post by kaemaril on May 18, 2010 1:14:11 GMT
Oh, darn. I was hoping an update to this thread might mean news. I was kind of hoping to hear some good news, like that Aliens and Creatures was at the printers, or something like that ...
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Post by zebaroth on May 18, 2010 2:24:49 GMT
I have the core books and paid close to 70$ for them and planing to run a game for my game group as soon as i finish writing it. as for the delays C7 is doing there best I prefer for them take there time and produce superior game then one that is inferior and plane to buy everything for this game
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Post by kaemaril on May 31, 2010 13:24:55 GMT
We'll make an announcement and give some more details in the near future, about Aliens and Creatures and the other supplements. Have we heard anything further on A&C? Have we heard if its even at the printers yet?
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Post by atrius on Jun 15, 2010 3:54:02 GMT
I have no issues with delays, they happen. I just wish they'd communicate when they occur as soon as they can.
A post on the Cubicle 7 forums from Angus says A&C went to the printer last week. I hope things can get moving faster soon, this is the only RPG I participate in right now.
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Post by atrius on Jun 22, 2010 22:38:38 GMT
Dom has recently said the following on the Cubicle 7 forums Hi all
I've chased on the webstore update and expect a change tomorrow or there will be words.
On the delays, revised release dates and our plans, I was hoping to be able to get it to you in a complete package that answers all your questions. And, to be honest, maybe that's what I've been doing wrong so far. I have put off communicating because I wanted to be able to tell you everything. Or, at least, a fairly complete package of answers, but that's always a moving goalpost...
So anyway, here's where we're at now:
Aliens and Creatures is being printed, all due to be finished on 22 July. It usually takes a month or so to get from the printer to the warehouse (sometimes a bit longer, especially if customs want to read it first) so it should get to us towards the end of August. It should be safe to say that it will be in shops in September. Huge apologies to everyone that it's so late. I appreciate it's no consolation, but we've learned a huge amount this past year (since we went full time) and hitting release dates is one of our top priorities for improvement.
Defending the Earth and The Time Traveller's Companion are going to be re-branded. This has caused some timing issues - I am going to try and get the PDFs out ASAP regardless (TBC).
The re-branded core set is intended for November.
The long-awaited Cubicle 7 website overhaul is getting closer. We've seen the outline and it looks lovely. It will have a great CMS so we'll be able to update things quickly ourselves - including release dates. I'm hoping to have the first stage done for GenCon, but I need to see how a few more bits go before I can commit to that.
Thanks for your patience and comments. There's a load of good stuff coming, and while I'll never predict completely smooth running, we are going to be in a much better position for regular releases from the tail end of this year onwards.
Dom
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Post by dragoncymru on Jun 23, 2010 5:47:48 GMT
I'm afraid I think this was inevitable due to the changing nature of the product right now. Frankly I'm amazed that they got the base set out at all. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we see a reissue of the base set with new logo, Matt Smith, new TARDIS etc before we see anything else. I think probably that the covers we have seen will never see the light of day. The BBC care too much about branding right now to issue an out of date product with an old logo and a Doctor that went 6 months or longer. Call me a 'doom-sayer' but don't be surprised if I'm right... End of March I posted that...
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Post by imajica on Jun 23, 2010 11:57:24 GMT
Dom has recently said the following on the Cubicle 7 forums There's a load of good stuff coming, and while I'll never predict completely smooth running, we are going to be in a much better position for regular releases from the tail end of this year onwards.
Dom
Well, I feel better now. 12 months on from first release they're going to be in a "better position". Phew. Will this "better position" include better communications? Right. Going to quit whining now. Let's consider the positives. 1. We have an official Dr Who RPG that's got everything you need to play in one very neat box. Even if it isn't quite big enough to fit the screen in without a bit of bending. 2. We have an active forum here with lots of people posting aliens, creatures, gadgets, plot ideas. In short, everything you'd need to keep a campaign going for a very long time. If Cubicle-7 released nothing else, we'd be busy. 3. There will be supplements. Eventually. It's well known (mostly from reading Pelgrane Press's blog post about it this morning) that supplements never sell as well as the core book. Especially if there's a massive delay between the core and the supplement. Be happy that there are going to be supplements and enjoy them when they arrive. I'm curious to know what extra information Cubicle 7's writers have access to. Aside from being in the official sourcebooks, what makes their writeups more right than the ones that are created and discussed here. In a way, it's an open-source versus closed-source project debate. The writeups on these forums are open for everyone who's seen the episodes and has an opinion to debate. We collate information from these forums, from the endless picking-apart of episodes that takes place when one or more fans gather together, from our interpretations of what was said and we create the creatures as best we can. How do C7 decide what statistics and abilities to give a monster? Probably in the same way but it's not posted on here for everyone to take a good look at and discuss before being considered "official." A closed group of playtesters is all well and good. What we have here in the forums is better than anything that's going to be released. We have creatures, gadgets, things from all eras of Who, many of which will never be covered in an official supplement (or, at least, one that's released in my lifetime). We've got a team of very talented people putting these things together and then there's everyone else who'll put their oar in when something doesn't look right to them. Buy the supplements when they're released - I reckon (my favourite Mitchell-and-Webb-ism) that the percentage sales of supplements to core is going to be more favourable for this RPG than for many - but I, for one, am going to quit moaning. I'm not going to pre-order, I'll buy them when I see them, but they'll be here when they get here.
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Post by misterharry on Jun 24, 2010 15:23:01 GMT
Latest from Dom, posted yesterday on the C7 forum:
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Post by imajica on Jun 26, 2010 7:10:12 GMT
The last line of Dom's post there is the winner for me. No disappointments, no missed release dates, just *WHAM* "Just off to the printers is...?"
And that list of campaign packs? Sounds very, very good. At least 2 for Tom Baker!
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Post by ugavine on Jun 29, 2010 13:43:11 GMT
The last line of Dom's post there is the winner for me. No disappointments, no missed release dates, just *WHAM* "Just off to the printers is...?" And that list of campaign packs? Sounds very, very good. At least 2 for Tom Baker! All those campaign packs sound fantastic. Now I just hope that we do get to actually see them. But a campaign pack for every Doctor is excellent.
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