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Post by grinch on Aug 13, 2022 11:01:53 GMT
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Post by soultaker666212 on Aug 13, 2022 11:47:26 GMT
Weird, Rivers do seem to be a common place for murders. There is the Smiley Face murder theory over in the United States which involves a series of strange deaths of young men near water within Midwestern states, and a link being a graffiti smiley face being somewhere near the crime. There is also the Manchester Pusher which claims that in Manchester there is someone or some people pushing people within the canals there. Just thought id bring those two up as well, however this one does seem interesting as well never heard of it prior to you posting about it grinch, might also be Ripper Victims and he might have started earlier and later on?
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Post by grinch on Aug 13, 2022 18:04:36 GMT
Weird, Rivers do seem to be a common place for murders. There is the Smiley Face murder theory over in the United States which involves a series of strange deaths of young men near water within Midwestern states, and a link being a graffiti smiley face being somewhere near the crime. There is also the Manchester Pusher which claims that in Manchester there is someone or some people pushing people within the canals there. Just thought id bring those two up as well, however this one does seem interesting as well never heard of it prior to you posting about it grinch, might also be Ripper Victims and he might have started earlier and later on? Entirely possible that within the Whoniverse, the torsos were the early work of the Ripper. Although I think those who have studied this rather obscure case have said it’s unlikely both crimes were committed by the same perpetrator(s). Different M.O. and all that. Maybe the dismembered remains of these poor women were dumped by someone trying to feed some beast? That or the work of some cult? |
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Post by soultaker666212 on Aug 13, 2022 18:06:57 GMT
Weird, Rivers do seem to be a common place for murders. There is the Smiley Face murder theory over in the United States which involves a series of strange deaths of young men near water within Midwestern states, and a link being a graffiti smiley face being somewhere near the crime. There is also the Manchester Pusher which claims that in Manchester there is someone or some people pushing people within the canals there. Just thought id bring those two up as well, however this one does seem interesting as well never heard of it prior to you posting about it grinch, might also be Ripper Victims and he might have started earlier and later on? Entirely possible that within the Whoniverse, the torsos were the early work of the Ripper. Although I think those who have studied this rather obscure case have said it’s unlikely both crimes were committed by the same perpetrator(s). Different M.O. and all that. Maybe the dismembered remains of these poor women were dumped by someone trying to feed some beast? That or the work of some cult? Perhaps tie it into the mysterious beast that attacked the Bell Ringers in Catsmate thread |
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Post by grinch on Aug 14, 2022 13:45:56 GMT
Entirely possible that within the Whoniverse, the torsos were the early work of the Ripper. Although I think those who have studied this rather obscure case have said it’s unlikely both crimes were committed by the same perpetrator(s). Different M.O. and all that. Maybe the dismembered remains of these poor women were dumped by someone trying to feed some beast? That or the work of some cult? Perhaps tie it into the mysterious beast that attacked the Bell Ringers in Catsmate thread Maybe the Creature/it’s progeny or another of its species is able to assume human form and has been living quietly for sometime now. The trouble is, staying in said form is extremely tiring and in order to do so for long periods of time it must consume human flesh. Hence the torsos. The tragedy being that all it wants to remain human but finds itself succumbing to its instincts. A real “Scorpion and the Frog” if there ever was one. |
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Post by soultaker666212 on Aug 14, 2022 13:47:40 GMT
Perhaps tie it into the mysterious beast that attacked the Bell Ringers in Catsmate thread Maybe the Creature/it’s progeny or another of its species is able to assume human form and has been living quietly for sometime now. The trouble is, staying in said form is extremely tiring and in order to do so for long periods of time it must consume human flesh. Hence the torsos. The tragedy being that all it wants to remain human but finds itself succumbing to its instincts. A real “Scorpion and the Frog” if there ever was one. Just honestly reminds me more and more of a Krillitane I feel whomever behind all the Bell mysteries going on might just be the krillitane all along for whatever purpose they want to, a Krillitane invasion across time using bells is all I can think of. |
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Post by grinch on Aug 14, 2022 13:56:11 GMT
Maybe the Creature/it’s progeny or another of its species is able to assume human form and has been living quietly for sometime now. The trouble is, staying in said form is extremely tiring and in order to do so for long periods of time it must consume human flesh. Hence the torsos. The tragedy being that all it wants to remain human but finds itself succumbing to its instincts. A real “Scorpion and the Frog” if there ever was one. Just honestly reminds me more and more of a Krillitane I feel whomever behind all the Bell mysteries going on might just be the krillitane all along for whatever purpose they want to, a Krillitane invasion across time using bells is all I can think of. Maybe this Krillitane is a bit of an outcast from its species? Although it did partake in the destruction of a few species (hence its bat like attributes) it now wants nothing to do with the rest of his kin. Hearing loud noises such as bells are prone to setting it off now and forcing them back to their original form. |
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Post by soultaker666212 on Aug 14, 2022 13:58:15 GMT
Just honestly reminds me more and more of a Krillitane I feel whomever behind all the Bell mysteries going on might just be the krillitane all along for whatever purpose they want to, a Krillitane invasion across time using bells is all I can think of. Maybe this Krillitane is a bit of an outcast from its species? Although it did partake in the destruction of a few species (hence its bat like attributes) it now wants nothing to do with the rest of his kin. Hearing loud noises such as bells are prone to setting it off now and forcing them back to their original form. The Bells might be krillitane technology that acts as a sort of time travel wormhole generator something like that to allow for the Krillitane to come through thats how I interpret things, maybe not an outcast but someone within the main kin of the species, an outcast might work though as a character/npc trying to prevent them from invading. |
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Post by Catsmate on Aug 14, 2022 18:09:38 GMT
Ah, so many gruesome, unsolved, unidentified Victorian murders. Plenty of scope for all sorts of weirdness, aliens, deformed time travellers, Frankenstein-esque Mad Science, stranded creatures from elsewhere (anyone else read Piper's Police Action?) and similar weirdness.
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Post by Catsmate on Aug 14, 2022 18:22:06 GMT
Weird, Rivers do seem to be a common place for murders. There is the Smiley Face murder theory over in the United States which involves a series of strange deaths of young men near water within Midwestern states, and a link being a graffiti smiley face being somewhere near the crime. There is also the Manchester Pusher which claims that in Manchester there is someone or some people pushing people within the canals there. Just thought id bring those two up as well, however this one does seem interesting as well never heard of it prior to you posting about it grinch, might also be Ripper Victims and he might have started earlier and later on?
It kinda reminds me of Derry from King's It.
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Post by soultaker666212 on Aug 14, 2022 18:24:10 GMT
Weird, Rivers do seem to be a common place for murders. There is the Smiley Face murder theory over in the United States which involves a series of strange deaths of young men near water within Midwestern states, and a link being a graffiti smiley face being somewhere near the crime. There is also the Manchester Pusher which claims that in Manchester there is someone or some people pushing people within the canals there. Just thought id bring those two up as well, however this one does seem interesting as well never heard of it prior to you posting about it grinch, might also be Ripper Victims and he might have started earlier and later on?
It kinda reminds me of Derry from King's It.
Someone or something lurking within the Canals of GMP sounds like a campaign in the making, an angry Sea Devil or Saturanyan or something more sinister... |
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Post by Catsmate on Aug 14, 2022 18:32:02 GMT
Entirely possible that within the Whoniverse, the torsos were the early work of the Ripper. Although I think those who have studied this rather obscure case have said it’s unlikely both crimes were committed by the same perpetrator(s). Different M.O. and all that. Maybe the dismembered remains of these poor women were dumped by someone trying to feed some beast? That or the work of some cult? Perhaps tie it into the mysterious beast that attacked the Bell Ringers in Catsmate thread
And don't forget that Dr. John Dee (yes, he of Necronomican and occult fame) was warden of Chetham School (of Music),
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Post by soultaker666212 on Aug 14, 2022 18:35:20 GMT
Perhaps tie it into the mysterious beast that attacked the Bell Ringers in Catsmate thread
And don't forget that Dr. John Dee (yes, he of Necronomican and occult fame) was warden of Chetham School (of Music),
I meant more tie it in with the creature that was featured within The Terror of The Bell Ringers thread of yours have a creature appear within Manchester, not excusing anything mysterious within Manchester at all. |
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Post by Catsmate on Aug 14, 2022 18:49:10 GMT
No need to go so far away, Manchester has plenty of oddities of it's own. The ghosts of the old (now demolished) Bootle Street police station, the Brannigans nightclub poltergeist (it also has an alleged haunting), the sightings of a timeslip in Chorlton Park, the spook of Manchester Airport (appears in the old 613SQN quarters, strange animal sightingss in/around the canal, the ghost train of Fairfield Railway Station......
And don't forget that Dr. John Dee (yes, he of Necronomican and occult fame) was warden of Chetham School (of Music),
I meant more tie it in with the creature that was featured within The Terror of The Bell Ringers thread of yours have a creature appear within Manchester, not excusing anything mysterious within Manchester at all. |
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Post by grinch on Aug 14, 2022 18:49:37 GMT
Ah, so many gruesome, unsolved, unidentified Victorian murders. Plenty of scope for all sorts of weirdness, aliens, deformed time travellers, Frankenstein-esque Mad Science, stranded creatures from elsewhere (anyone else read Piper's Police Action?) and similar weirdness.
Also thought one of the Bow Street Runners would make for a good basis for a PC or recurring NPC. Especially if they ever managed to get to the modern day and have to come to terms with modern policing methods. |
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Post by Catsmate on Aug 14, 2022 19:58:55 GMT
Ah, so many gruesome, unsolved, unidentified Victorian murders. Plenty of scope for all sorts of weirdness, aliens, deformed time travellers, Frankenstein-esque Mad Science, stranded creatures from elsewhere (anyone else read Piper's Police Action?) and similar weirdness.
Also thought one of the Bow Street Runners would make for a good basis for a PC or recurring NPC. Especially if they ever managed to get to the modern day and have to come to terms with modern policing methods.
There are two rather good book series set in the period that involve Fielding and the Runners that I recommend for ideas and local colour. One was written by Bruce Alexander (not Supt. Mullet) and has Benjamin Franklin appear in a book, the other (by Deryn Lake) revolves around an apothecary and investigator named John Rawlings (loosely based on a real person) and has plots involving the Boston Tea Party and the Decipherer to the King.
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Post by Catsmate on Aug 14, 2022 20:06:15 GMT
Wrt Manchester I offer two seeds.
1. Why was the Imperial War Museum North built there? Is it related to an outpost of Torchwood that was destroyed in 1940 during the Manchester Blitz? Or was the outpost actually destroyed by British forces as the staff had gone renegade?
Were they seduced by the power offered to them by IT (or THEM), the power to destroy Germany and grant Britain her rightful place in the sun again. The price wasn't that bad, who'd miss a few Mancunians? In the dark days of World War Two sacrifices mus be made...
2. Back to L. S. Lowry ("He painted Salford's smokey tops / On cardboard boxes from the shops / And parts of Ancoats where I used to play / I'm sure he once walked down our street / Cause he painted kids who had nowt on their feet / The clothes we wore had all seen better days"). Why did he keep a large collection of clocks in his living room, all set at different times. What was he trying to ward off? Why is access to his journals, sketches and papers (mostly held in The Lowry) so controlled? The teller of tall-tales never regaled his friends with one story; the tale of what happened to him one night in 1939 on a lonely road outside Berwick-upon-Tweed and was the real cause of his wartime depression and neglect...
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Post by olegrand on Aug 15, 2022 18:03:27 GMT
A very good Ripper-based scenario from the 80s (for Traveller!): "An Alien Werewolf in London" published in White Dwarf 62... oddly, a recently released Big Finish 7th Doctor audiobook bears exactly the same title but the stories are completely different.
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Post by Catsmate on Aug 16, 2022 13:47:26 GMT
A very good Ripper-based scenario from the 80s (for Traveller!): "An Alien Werewolf in London" published in White Dwarf 62... oddly, a recently released Big Finish 7th Doctor audiobook bears exactly the same title but the stories are completely different. |
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Post by soultaker666212 on Aug 16, 2022 13:54:42 GMT
Might be a Hoix who feel through a time rift as well let loose into the city devouring folks for hunger and survival |
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Post by grinch on Aug 18, 2022 15:52:21 GMT
Might be a Hoix who feel through a time rift as well let loose into the city devouring folks for hunger and survival Or possibly an extremely aggressive Weevil? |
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Post by Catsmate on Aug 18, 2022 16:03:20 GMT
Might be a Hoix who feel through a time rift as well let loose into the city devouring folks for hunger and survival Or possibly an extremely aggressive Weevil? |
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Post by soultaker666212 on Aug 18, 2022 16:27:11 GMT
Or possibly an extremely aggressive Weevil? My gentleman the first rule of Victorian Fisticuff Club is to never speak of Victorian Fisticuff Club and you just broke it. In all serious a Victorian fight club just sounds hilarious, inside of a warehouse behind a pub so you can have a drink whilst watching the fight, something I feel Strax would dominate in, but also other aliens as well such as well Hoix or Weevils or Orgons etc might be interesting to see happen. |
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Post by grinch on Aug 18, 2022 17:21:41 GMT
Or possibly an extremely aggressive Weevil? Oh most definitely. Love the image of some muscled pugilist with a handlebar moustache decking some ravenous Weevil. No doubt there’s some shady manager who is using kidnapping and forcing members of the alien community to fight for the entertainment of the Victorian masses. It’s the sort of case Torchwood or the original Paternoster Gang would probably be tasked with solving. And no doubt the rescued aliens would seek refuge in Leper Hall under the care and protection of Ashildr. |
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Post by Catsmate on Aug 19, 2022 8:24:12 GMT
My first reaction? Victorian Fight Club. My gentleman the first rule of Victorian Fisticuff Club is to never speak of Victorian Fisticuff Club and you just broke it. In all serious a Victorian fight club just sounds hilarious, inside of a warehouse behind a pub so you can have a drink whilst watching the fight, something I feel Strax would dominate in, but also other aliens as well such as well Hoix or Weevils or Orgons etc might be interesting to see happen. My first reaction? Victorian Fight Club. Oh most definitely. Love the image of some muscled pugilist with a handlebar moustache decking some ravenous Weevil. No doubt there’s some shady manager who is using kidnapping and forcing members of the alien community to fight for the entertainment of the Victorian masses. It’s the sort of case Torchwood or the original Paternoster Gang would probably be tasked with solving. And no doubt the rescued aliens would seek refuge in Leper Hall under the care and protection of Ashildr. |
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Post by grinch on Aug 19, 2022 11:41:55 GMT
My gentleman the first rule of Victorian Fisticuff Club is to never speak of Victorian Fisticuff Club and you just broke it. In all serious a Victorian fight club just sounds hilarious, inside of a warehouse behind a pub so you can have a drink whilst watching the fight, something I feel Strax would dominate in, but also other aliens as well such as well Hoix or Weevils or Orgons etc might be interesting to see happen. Oh most definitely. Love the image of some muscled pugilist with a handlebar moustache decking some ravenous Weevil. No doubt there’s some shady manager who is using kidnapping and forcing members of the alien community to fight for the entertainment of the Victorian masses. It’s the sort of case Torchwood or the original Paternoster Gang would probably be tasked with solving. And no doubt the rescued aliens would seek refuge in Leper Hall under the care and protection of Ashildr. I could see Strax being sent in undercover. Probably would do rather well. If the manager in charge of the fight clubs recognises his species then it might just clue into the true nature of the Manager. |
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Post by soultaker666212 on Aug 19, 2022 11:58:35 GMT
Plenty of bloodsports back then. I'm reminded of Canvey Island, one of my favourite spots of weirdness, which hosted bare-knuckle matches into the 1920s.An excellent way to connect the groups. I wonder does Strax participate? I could see Strax being sent in undercover. Probably would do rather well. If the manager in charge of the fight clubs recognises his species then it might just clue into the true nature of the Manager. Strax I feel probably wouldn't even go undercover and just go regularly himself though, he'd probably be some local champion there until something bigger comes up. |
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