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Post by missyfan45 on Jul 3, 2020 20:54:54 GMT
starting a new feature here: obscure historical figure/event of the day! exactly what it says on the tin and ill update this thread after you guys all post your seeds every day today's topic: the triangle shirtwaist factory fire of 1911
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Post by Stormcrow on Jul 3, 2020 23:44:12 GMT
The Glencoe Massacre of 13 February 1692.
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Post by missyfan45 on Jul 4, 2020 0:26:05 GMT
hmm tomorrow then! today we study the triangle shirtwaist factory fire of 1911
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Post by Stormcrow on Jul 4, 2020 11:56:08 GMT
Sorry, didn't understand the premise of the thread.
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Post by missyfan45 on Jul 4, 2020 17:16:26 GMT
ah anyways any seeds? i bet pure historical for this one!
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Post by missyfan45 on Jul 7, 2020 0:55:40 GMT
our figure today is composer Joseph Haydn who has led a interesting life and is essentially like Winston Churchill in the sense that there are many opportunities for him to meet the doctor
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Post by Catsmate on Jul 25, 2020 11:25:08 GMT
The Glencoe Massacre of 13 February 1692. Ah, the infamy of the Campbells.
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Post by missyfan45 on Jul 29, 2020 22:15:20 GMT
she's not that obscure but methinks Nellie bly would be good with the sea devils for some reason
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Post by Catsmate on Jul 30, 2020 7:26:33 GMT
she's not that obscure but methinks Nellie bly would be good with the sea devils for some reason I have notes on Bly, I must dig them out and post them. She certainly has potential for getting involved in odd situations.
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Post by Catsmate on Jul 30, 2020 12:22:38 GMT
As for today (30JUL) seven events come to mind. [Hopefully this post doesn't disappear...]
The earliest chronologically was the Battle of Vercellae in 113BCE whne the army of the Roman Republic, ably led by Gaius Marius and his proconsul Quintus Lutatius Catulus, decisively defeated an alliance of Germanic-Celtic tribes, dominated by the Cimbri The battle happened somewhere in Cisalpine Gaul, what's nor northern Italy. The battle ended the Germanic threat to Italy's border and was a significant step in establishing Roman domination of the peninsula. Over one hundred thousand tribesmen died and tens of thousands were enslaved. One interesting historical note: the battle basically created what we think of as the "Roman Legions" as Marius illegally granted Roman citizenship to non-Roman Italian troops, without the consent of the Senate. This established the later tradition of citizenship in exchange for military service. One other factor resulted from the battle; the prestige for Marius started his rivalry with Lucius Cornelius Sulla, this would lead to the first of the great Roman civil wars It's also known as the 'Fight in the Fog'
1533 years later (more or less) 1419 saw the first of the Defenestrations of Prague, when political disputes and mob violence led to the deaths of seven members of the city council of Prague. This started the distinctly Czech tradition for this method of execution.
In 1646 during the hiatus in the English Civil War, the victorious Parliament issued the famous Newcastle Propositions which were sent to the imprisoned king Charles I (held by the Scots in Newcastle1). Charles delayed, hoping to acquire a new army and decisively defeat his enemies but this effort failed. More here.
In 1908 the first New York to Paris car race (wiki) ended in Paris on 30JUL (well more-or-less the Italians didn't arrive ntil September) having started in New York in February.
In 1914 both Austria-Hungary and Russia issued their general mobilisation decrees, a major step on the path to the Great War. Two years later came the Black Tom explosion in New York. German sabotage or alien intervention?
On 30JUL1941 the USS Indianapolis was sunk by torpedoes fired from Japanese submarine I-58. 880 of the crew died many from shark attack in the water (this was a factor in the book/film Jaws). The cruiser had just delivered parts of the the MK1 nuclear bomb that would be dropped on Hiroshima a week later, to Tinian island. Mission secrecy contributed to the death toll as the military command was unaware of the sinking until a routine air patrol spotted men in the water. About six hundred men died in the water.
1. Which some would probably call a worse fate than beheading.....
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Post by missyfan45 on Jul 30, 2020 13:00:09 GMT
hmmmm black tom is excellent for espionage and intrigue my bet is sea devils also Prague reminds me of short trips Prague
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Post by Catsmate on Jul 31, 2020 10:10:31 GMT
On this day, 31JUL, we have
In 30 BCE Battle of Alexandria1 ends: Marcus Antonius (anglicised as Mark Antony), despite having lost his fleet at Actium, achieves a minor victory over Octavian, but heavy losses and reinforcements for his enemy mean that defeat is inevitable and Antonius kills himself on 01AUG
- This is a significant event, leading to the consolidation by Octavian of his power and the integration of Egypt into the Empire and the two century Pax Romana. Unless someone decides to kill Octavian and help Antonius...
- Another fascinating, if more subtle, possibility is an accident. Naturally attention concentrates on Octavian (he was the first Roman Emperor) and something might happen to his right hand man Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa (wiki) with very significant consequences for the future of Rome.
In 781 the first recorded eruption of Mount Fuji in Japan occurs. Natural event or not?
While 670 years later, in 1451, Jacques Cœur (wiki) is arrested by order of Charles VII of France on fabricated charges. Cœur was an extremely wealthy man, a merchant and trader, who was believed to have dabbled in alchemy.
1620 the first 'Pilgrim Fathers' depart Leiden in the Netherlands for England on the Speedwell. After departing Plymouth with the more famous Mayflower the ship was found to be unseaworthy and both ships returned to Dartmouth where the Speedwell was sold, with some of her passengers transferring to the Mayflower and others abandoning the voyage.
- What if the ship had sunk in the channel, or after leaving Cornwall behind?
157 years later, in 1777, Marie-Joseph du Motierthe, Marquis de La Fayette (Layfayette in America), then aged nineteen, was commissioned as major-general of the Continental Army (without pay). He became a close confidant and advisor to General Washington.
140 years after that was another war; the Great War saw the Battle of Passchendaele (Third Ypres) begin in 1917. Named after a minor Belgian village near the the town of Ypres, the fighting would last over a hundred days, involve a million-and-a-half men and cause approximately half-a-million casualties
Three years after that a very different war was being fought, against alcohol, in America. The 'Great Experiment' was as successful as such efforts usually are and on 31JUL1920 Treasury Agents in New York raid a Bronx warehouse and find 1,672 cases of whisky; six arrests are made. This is one of a number of such raids today, netting about two million litres of spirits in total
- Unless the raids were cover for something different of course.
It's also the day France outlaws sale of, or publication of information about, contraceptives.
In 1964 the first successful US lunar probe, Ranger 7, transmits over four thousand images of the lunar surface in the 17 minutes before it impacts the surface.
- Besides the obvious possibilities (seeing something strange on the surface or being targeted to impact an outpost of the Cybermen/Space Nazis, this has another possibility. The US Ranger programme was a disaster with all previous probes suffering significant failures; NASA was under immense pressure and the entire lunar programme might have been delayed by the fallout from another failure.
Six years later would have been a bad day for visiting a Royal Navy vessel; 'Black Tot Day' saw the end of the officially sanctioned rum (actually 'grog') ration after 230 years.
In 1987 the Canadian town of Edmonton in Alberta was severely damaged by a very rare class F4 tornado that ripped through the town and the surrounding country. 27 people were killed and causing CAN$330 million in damage was done.
- Was the tornado, and the accompanying thunderstorms, a normal meteorological phenomena?
While in India 30JUL2012 saw a huge failure of the electrical power grid (the second failure in two days) that left over six hundred million people without power.
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1. Well one of them; there have been many due to the city's strategic position
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Post by Catsmate on Aug 1, 2020 17:10:28 GMT
Events for the 1st of August.
Way back in 860 the Peace of Koblenz was agreed between Charles the Bald (or Bare), Louis the German & Lotharius II, grandsons of Charles the Great. After the death of Charlemagne in 814CE his son and heir Louis the Pious acceded to the throne; unfortunately he lacked his father's ability and drive. The empire was fractured with his three sons ruling provinces, effectively splitting the empire into three petty kingdoms. After the death of Louis in 840 things got worse, with the Holy Roman Empire splitting into effectively five kingdoms. In 860 (on Whit Sunday in the Liebfrauenkirche) the three kings agreed to meet to end decades of low level warfare.
- Messing with events here will have massive, cascading, effects on the future history of Europe.
In 1086 the results of the Domesday Inquiry were presented to William the Conqueror in Salisbury as a basis for the Norman administration of Britain. Probably without modification by passing time travellers.
1485 Harry Tudor's army set sail for England. The future Henry VII would defeat King Richard III at the Battle of Bosworth Field three weeks later, ending the decades long Wars of the Roses. Henry was the last king of England to win his throne on the field of battle (so far).- But what if he hadn't made it? Easily arranged with high tech weaponry. Would Richard have consolidated his grip, married Joanna of Portugal? What happens to the world?
In 1589 a fanatic friar and partisan of the Catholic League named Jacques Clément assassinated king Henry III of France. If this was prevented how would the religous wars of the sixteenth century have progressed?
In 1711 (01AUG in the Julian calendar) during the Russo-Ottoman War of 1710–11 Tsar Peter the Great was forced to abandon Azov but otherwise received a lenient peace settlement. His army was surrounded and outnumbered. Meawhile the Dutch East India company ship Zuytdorp disappeared en-route to the East Indies. Much of the cargo of silver coins has never been found, though the ship was located on a particularly remote part of the Western Australian coast, 40 km north of the Murchison River.
In 1781 the British army under general Cornwallis occupies Yorktown (in Virginia) preparatory to the engagement known as the Battle of Yorktown, the last major engagement of the American War of Independence. Curiously thirteen years later 01AUG1794 would see the first major challenge to the new republic as the Whiskey Insurrection began at Braddock's Field in western Pennsylvania. Almost as much fun as pre-revolutionary Boston.
In 1798 the Battle of the Nile would see the Royal Navy under Admiral Horatio Nelson decimates the French fleet at Aboukir Bay off the Nile Delta. Unless someone has other plans.
ETA: I forgot about this one, just found it in my notes. In 1831 four countries almost went to war, and international politics were disrupted, by the appearance of a new island. The Island of Ferdinandea, aka Graham Island (now the Graham Bank or Graham Shoal) and Isola Ferdinandea is a volcanic island in the Mediterranean Sea that forms part of the underwater volcano Empedocles, 30 km south of Sicily. It was discovered when appeared (on 01AUG1831) by Captain Humphrey Senhouse of HMS St Vincent. He named after Sir James Graham, then First Lord of the Admiraltyand claimed the island for Britain However a four-way dispute over its sovereignty (Britain, France, Italy [well the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies] and Spain) soon erupted and was still unresolved when the island disappeared beneath the waves again in early 1832. During its brief life there was speculation that a chain of mountains would spring up linking Sicily to Tunisia, hugely altering the geopolitics of the region. Today the island is about 6m below the sea and gradually building up; given the sporadic vulcanism another re-emergence is possible in coming decades.
Curiously 01AUG has seen two sets of race riots in the USA: In 1842 The Lombard Street riots began in Philadelphia, a three days of violence between (mostly) poor Irish Catholic immigrants and wealthier black residents. The riot were the last major eruption of racial violence in a thirteen year period.
- Two years later the rising anti-Catholic sentiment and the growing population of Irish Catholic immigrants would lead to the anti-Catholic Bible Riots in the city.
Little over a century later and racially motivated riots would erupt in Harlem in 1943.
In 1902 at 2:03PM on 01AUG a massive explosion in the Kembla coal mine in Wollongong, Australia, would see 96 die. About seventy men and boys survived due to the deputy day manager, David Evans, who knew of older, unused, passages to the surface.
On 01AUG1932 in the United States the new George Washington quarter-dollar coin goes into circulation. It's probably not part of some alien plot.
More interestingly in 1948 The USAF Office of Special Investigations is founded. Over the new decades the office is involved in investigating hundreds of Unidentified Flying Objects.
For those of an anti-communist bent the 1953 arrest of Fidel Castro in Cuba suggests a possbly way to alter the course of that country's future. Five years later the USN nuclear powered submarine the USS Nautilus begins Operation Sunshine, the first voyage under the arctic ice to the North Pole.The 1930 Wilkins-Ellsworth's Expedition having failed to reach the pole with a previous Nautilus. The first submarine to surface at the pole (officially) was the USS Skate in 1959.
In 1969 Mariner 6 sends close-up photos of Mars that were probably not doctored by SIS agents to hide evidence of the Martians.
Three years late the first article exposing Watergate burglary scandal written by Bernstein and Woodward was published in The Washington Post.
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Post by missyfan45 on Aug 1, 2020 19:23:41 GMT
Watergate is a good pure historical yorktown as well
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Post by Catsmate on Aug 1, 2020 20:49:55 GMT
Watergate is a good pure historical yorktown as well Ah yes, interfere with Frank Wills and Watergate isn't revealed.
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Post by missyfan45 on Aug 2, 2020 15:04:21 GMT
hmmm august 2nd?
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Post by Catsmate on Aug 2, 2020 17:22:20 GMT
That is indeed today.....
The oldest chronologically is not at all obscure. In 216 BCE during the Second Punic War between Carthage and Rome the Battle of Cannae was fought on 02AUG in Southern Italy. The Carthaginian army lead by the brilliant tactician Hannibal (one of the six great military commanders of the ancient world1) utterly defeated, surrounded and annihilated the numerically superior Roman army under the consuls Lucius Aemilius Paullus and Gaius Terentius Varro. This was a hugely important victory, coming upon the earlier Roman defeats at Trebia and Lake Trasimene, and might have spelled the end of the Roman Republic, especially after the next Roman defeat (by the Gauls) at Silva Litana. Cannae has acquired a mythic quality and is often used as an example of the perfect defeat of an enemy army, relying on avoid the strengths of the Legions and exploiting their weakness. Fifty thousands Romans died that day. It would be centuries until warfare again achieved such tolls.
Loosely speaking there are three game uses for Cannae. 1. The classic First Doctor plot; a party arrive there by accident and observes the carnage, perhaps interacting with the almost legendary figures involved. Maybe the party befriend some Roman soldiers, whom they know are almost certainly doomed to die. What was Hannibal like? Most accounts come to us through the filters of Roman prejudices so the GM can decide this for herself.
2. Meddling; altering history to end the Second Punic War is possible, perhaps a spot of 'divine' intervention? Alternatively a meddler may be ingratiating herself with Hannibal in order to manipulate future events and utterly destroy Rome.
3. Visiting Cannae deliberately is perhaps the least likely idea, unless some meddling is predicted. It was a gory business and probably not that appealing except to military historians (that said it's the ideal spot for a 49th century Warrior Historian to carry out field research, perhaps leading to the loss of a vortux or other twonky). Perhaps the scholars of St. Marys are in the neighborhood? Or there are some jaded far future tourists there for entertainment? Or something, like a Malus, is there to feed on the psychic energies of the slain.
More than thirteen centuries later in 1100 CE king William II of England is killed by an arrow shot (probably) by Sir Walter Tyrell while hunting in the New Forest. The Strange Death of William the Red
While the USA celebrates Independence Day on 04JUL the the US Declaration of Independence was formally signed (by 56 people) on 02AUG1776. The perfect setting for mind controlling the leaders of the nascent republic.
In 1865 SS Great Eastern was attempting to lay a trans-Atlantic telegraph cable, the fourth such attempt, when the cable snapped after almost two thousand kilometres has been laid and was lost. An unfortunate failure, unless it was sabotage of course. But who'd want to prevent communications between Britain and America?
- Alternatively it could have been clumsiness by a passing time traveller.
In 1916 the Italian battleship Leonardo da Vinci sinks in Taranto harbour after a magazine explosion. Accident while loading ammunition, unstable propellant bags, Austro-Hungarian sabotage (the official explanation) or something else?
Twenty seven years later another, far smaller, warship sinks. On 02AUG1943 the US Navy torpedo boat PT-109 sinks at Solomon islands after being rammed by the Japanese destroyer Amagiri. The entire action that night by eight torpedo boats was an utter shambles "perhaps the most confused and least effectively executed action the PTs had been in. Eight PTs fired thirty torpedoes. The only confirmed results were the loss of PT 109 and damage to the Japanese destroyer Amagiri [from the collision, the torpedoes all missed]". PT-109 exploded (such boats were basically thin wooden hulled boxes filled with volatile fuel and explosives) and sank. The eleven survivors clunk to the wreckage for twelve hours but no rescue came. They then swam or floated to a nearby island, covering six kilometres in four hours. Eventually the survivors, led by PT-109's commander lieutenant (jg) John Kennedy were rescued. A coconut was involved.
- Oh the possibilities. Eliminate the Kennedy presidency perhaps?
For the music tourists 02AUG1961 saw an obscure "pop group" curiously named 'The Beatles' perform their debut as the house band of Liverpool's Cavern Club.
Comments? Ideas? Suggestions? What do people think of this format?
1. The others being Philip of Macedon, Alexander the Great, Gaius Julius Caesar, Scipio Africanus (who'd eventually defeat Hannibul at Zama) and Pyrrhus
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Post by missyfan45 on Aug 2, 2020 17:52:59 GMT
i love the beatles and their first club is fun to do for a adventure but it was in the dwm comic time of my life
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Post by missyfan45 on Aug 2, 2020 17:53:52 GMT
also the pt incident is a good pseudo historical my bet ice warriors and silurians/sea devils
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Post by Catsmate on Aug 3, 2020 15:18:49 GMT
also the pt incident is a good pseudo historical my bet ice warriors and silurians/sea devils Personally I'd go with the PCs saving inadvertently PT-109 and destroying Kennedy's political ambitions (well Joe's ambitions for John). John was the 'spare' it was Joe Jr. who was to be president, if it hadn't been for his untimely vapourisation. But that's one for the week-after-next.
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Post by missyfan45 on Aug 3, 2020 16:02:10 GMT
hmm august 3?
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Post by Catsmate on Aug 3, 2020 16:22:46 GMT
Seeds and ideas for today, 03AUG.
In 881 CE kings Louis III and his brother Carloman II of France (well Neustria & Francia and Carloman Aquitaine & Burgundy respectively) defeated the Vikings at Battle of Saucourt-en-Vimeu. This was an important defaeat, and rare pitched battle, against the Scandinavian raiders. It didn't do much to slow the decline of the Carolingian empire though.
In 1492 Christopher Columbus set sail on his first voyage to the Indies with the three ships (Santa María, Pinta and Niña) from Palos de la Frontera in Spain. Of course due to drastically underestimating the size of the Earth they'd all have died in the Atlantic, but for the existence of the Americas. Given the current political climate stopping the voyage, preferably either in a spectacular 'Act of God' or well out of sight of the coast might appeal to certain groups or individuals.
In 1529 Treaty of Cambrai (also known as the "Peace of the Ladies") was agreed between the Holy Roman Empire and the French kindgom, negotiated by Louise of Savoy (mother of Francis I and regent in his absences) and Margaret of Austria (aunt of HRE Charles V and regent of the Netherlands). Basically the two agreed to pause the fighting for a while. The backdrop was the French attempt to weaken and replace Spanish influence on the Italian peninsula and had involved a frequently shifting web of self-serving alliance between France, Spain, the Spanish Netherlands, England, Venice, the Papacy, Milan, Naples and other states. Plenty of politics for a party of time travellers to get into trouble with.
In 1704 the Angle-Dutch fleet of the League of Augsburg (England, the Netherlands and Austria; basically an anti-French alliance) capture the port Gibraltar. This was one act of the long War of the Spanish Succession. Of course historically no-one had brought a few Davy Crocketts to the battle.
Two hundred years later the 'Younghusband Expedition' under Francis Younghusband enters the forbidden city of Lhasa in Tibet on 03AUG1904. The expedition was more of an invasion; officially intended to settle border disputes with British India the expedition massacred at least six thousand Tibetans (mostly monks) and imposed the 'Convention Between Great Britain and Tibet'. The matter was so embarrassing to the British Government, especially Curzon and the India Office, that it was repudiated. The expedition is referenced several times in the early Fu Manchu stories which lends it nicely to this campaign idea. Alternatively the PCs could arrive and become enmeshed in the expedition, spiced with the latter stages of the 'Great Game' and of course some robotic Yetis (which are bullet-proof and may provide a nasty surprise).
Three years after that saw a rather interesting meeting between Emperor Wilhelm II and his cousin Tsar Nicholas II to discuss the German plan to build a railway to Baghdad; the discussion was unfruitful (Russia felt threatened by connection between the Ottoman territories and Germany) and pushed Russia towards alliance with Britain. The Anglo-Russian Entente was formalised later that month. Some historians consider the Baghdad railway a significant factor in ratcheting up tensions in the lead to the Great War.
On this day in 1914 Edward Grey, British Secretary of Sate for the Foreign Department, remarked "The lamps are going out all over Europe. We shall not see them lit again in our time". The day saw the German invasion of Belgium as part of it's plan for a quick knock-out blow against France. This hope for a quick victory would end on the Marne.
- This plan is often 'credited' to Schlieffen but actually was developed by von Moltke the younger. Schlieffen's actual war plan had envisaged a huge German assault against the slow moving Russian forces while remaining on the defensive in the west. In that plan the first great Franco-German battle would have occurred in the third week of hostilities roughly on the line of the Saar between Sarrebourg and Saarbrücken and flanked by the German fortresses of Metz and Strasbourg.
As mentioned yesterday the USS Nautilus was under the Arctic ice and today in 1958 reaches the North Pole, but did not surface (probably being busy with spies, saboteurs and Sea Devils).
In the classic UNIT era of 1972 Prime Minister of Britain Edward Heath proclaimed a State of Emergency (again) due to the ongoing dock strike. Perhaps the PCs need to obtain something important that's stick in the industrial dispute?
A year later the Isle of Man saw the Summerland Disaster where a fire at a leisure centre killed 53 people, due to a mixture of ineptitude, poor selection of materials, panic and lack of organised evacuation.
As usual any suggestions, ideas or comments are welcome.
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Post by missyfan45 on Aug 3, 2020 17:53:00 GMT
Christopher Columbus is a great adventure for the malus
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Post by Catsmate on Aug 4, 2020 18:17:46 GMT
Christopher Columbus is a great adventure for the malus Have them going mad in the open ocean? And the PCs arrive....
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Post by Catsmate on Aug 4, 2020 18:56:36 GMT
Ideas for 04AUG
In 1181 the supernova SN-1181 (a somewhat boring name) was observed by Chinese and Japanese astronomers in the constellation Cassiopeia. It remained visible for two three days.
In 1265 prince Edward of England, leading the the forces of his father king Henry II, wins the Battle of Evesham and defeats Simon de Montfort the younger, Earl of Leicester. This was one of the two main battles of the 'Second Barons' War', where the feudal magnates asserted their independence from royal oversight. It's a fertile opportunity for temporal meddling, ranging from the subtle (better choice of position for the outnumbered de Montfort) to the more showy (a couple of Davey Crocketts or a helicopter gunship). Of course maybe someone has already meddled. Was the great thunderstorm that proceeded the battle a natural event? Was the unreliability of the Welsh infantry provided by Llywelyn ap Gruffudd treachery, unwillingness to day or a foreign battlefield, or mind control?
In 1351 Willem V beats combined Dutch (Hoeksen) and English forces in the sea battle at Zwartewaal. This was part of the Hook and Cod war, a civil war in Holland and Hainaut. The conservative Hooks were fighting for the Countess Margaret of Hainault, and were supported by England; while the more progressive Cods were fighting for Margaret's son William. History is silent on the involvement of time travellers, aliens or aquatic Earth Reptiles.
In 1666 one of the deadliest Atlantic hurricane hits Guadeloupe, Martinique and St Christopher, killing at least two thousands. Including the destruction of fifteen English ships loaded with troops and commanded by Admiral Francis Willoughby (who died).
Disappointingly for sommelier's today in 1693 a Benedictine monk named Dom Pérignon did not invent Champagne.
In 1821 the von Bellingshausen Antarctic expedition dropped anchor to Kronshtadt after two years exploring the SOuth Atlantic and Antarctic (possibly being the actual discoverer of the Antarctic mainland). A fascinating, meticulous and detailed study that was, and has been, mostly ignored. One wonders what was excised from his accounts before publication....
In 1873 during the 'Indian Wars' Lieutenant Colonel George Armstrong Custer fails to get himself killed , whilst protecting a railroad survey party in Montana. He clashed for the time with the Sioux near the Tongue River.
In 1902 The Greenwich foot tunnel under the River Thames was opened. It connected (and indeed still connects) Greenwich town centre on the south bank of the Thames to the Docklands near Canary Wharf on the north bank. The tunnel is a 375m long cast iron tube, 2.75m in diameter and sunk sunk 15m below ground. It too three years to complete (I wonder why?) and is an excellent location for late-Victorian and Edwardian adventures.
In 1914 the "damnfool business in the Balkans" was spreading. Germany declares war on Belgium, Britain against Germany. King Albert I takes command of the Belgian army and Lord Kitchener becomes British Minister of War. The USA declares neutrality. People begin to die, on a small scale compared to later.
Four years later on this date one Adolf Hitler is awarded the Iron Cross first class for bravery; this was on the recommendation of his Jewish superior, Lieutenant Hugo Gutmann.
In 1941 Winston Churchill sets out on a voyage to the USA on HMS Prince of Wales to meet US president Roosevelt. The meeting took place on 09AUG in Placentia Bay on Newfoundland. Of course some time travellers might want to ensure the Doctor's friend doesn't make it. Bomb, submarine torpedo, anti-ship missile, poison, assassin's knife or a cybernetic replacement for Blackie (PoW's cat).
Three years later fifteen-year-old Jewish diarist Anne Frank and her family were found in a sealed-off area of an Amsterdam warehouse.
While in 1962 Nelson Mandela was captured by South African police. What would the effects of his death so early be?
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Post by missyfan45 on Aug 4, 2020 20:59:46 GMT
maybe the mandela effect becomes real? also Greenwich could be great 2 parter with some underwater enemy
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Post by Catsmate on Aug 5, 2020 19:54:19 GMT
05AUG
In 54 BCE at the Battle of Wheathampstead Gaius Julius Caesar defeats the Britons (well the Catuvellauni mainly) under Cassivellaunus. As with many ancient battles the exact location isn't know but is believed to be at what's now called the 'Devil's Dyke', which was certainly part of a Iron Age settlement.
In 135 CE the Jewish Bar Kochba revolt comes to an especially bloody end with the fall of Betar, the last outpost of Bar Kochba, to Roman legionaries after a lengthy siege. Was there a warrior-historian there faithfully recording the activities, atrocities and tactics?
In 642 at the Battle of Maserfield king Penda of Mercia (basically middle England, including [for the Cthulhu gamers] the Severn Valley) defeats the Northumbrians and kills Oswald of Bernicia. Was there a pagan significance to the dismemberment of Oswald's body?
In 1100 Henry Beauclerc (fourth son of William the Conqueror) is crowned King Henry I of England in Westminster Abbey. You may remember the unfortunate, and surely accidental hunting death of his older brother William the Red on the 2nd. Obviously it was coincidence that Henry was present that day. A good plot to enmesh some hapless travelers in...
In 1420 Duke John VI of Bavaria visited the strange Dutch mystic Lidwina1 Was there someone there already, perhaps studying the claims thet Lidwins didn't eat and sloughed off body parts, as well as being a healer and prophet? Or looking to confirm the first probably case of multiple sclerosis?
In 1689 this would have been a bad day to visit Lachine, on Montrael Island (in what was then New France). Around 1,500 Mohawk warriors, part of the Iroquois Confederation and burn the village.
In 1716 the Battle of Petrovaradin (or Peterwardein) was fought between the Habsburgs (under Eugene of Savoy and part of the Holy Roman Empire) and Ottoman forces (led by Silahdar Ali Pasha). This part of the Austro-Turkish War ended in a decisive and bloody Austrian victory.
In 1745 'The '45' was starting with the capture by Jacobite forces capture of an English company of troops under Captain Scott. Does Jamie want to return and alter events of that ill fated rebellion?
Ten years later in 1775 the San Carlos is the first known ship to enter San Francisco Bay. Rather curious given that European explorers had been up and down that stretch of coast for over two hundred years with (apparently) noticing the bay. It must be the fog.... Unless of course something didn't want the bay to be found and took steps, perhaps a perception filter or other such psychic trickery, to ensure their privacy. What were they up to? Or there's the fascinating possibility that the reason the bay was missed was because it wasn't there and was a new creation. Perhaps linked to the legends of contesting giants among the Huchiun. Might this be linked to the history of weirdness surrounding the Bay Area?
In 1858 the first transatlantic telegraph cable was landed at Trinity Bay in Newfoundland.A mighty technological achievement, shortening the time for messages to cross the ocean from weeks to minutes. Unfortunately it will fail after three weeks.Probably not due to temporal saboteurs anticipating the Trent Affair.
In 1864 at the Battle of Mobile Bay in Alabama the Union Rear Admiral Farragut uttered his famous "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!2 whch might not seem so sensible given that he'd ordered his squadron to proceed recklessly fast through a Confederate minefield that'd crippled one of the armoured monitors.
In 1884 the cornerstone for Statue of Liberty laid on what was then Bedloe's Island in New York harbour. Was a secret time capsule laid there too? By whom and with what contents?
In 1914 the Great War (as it was not yet known) continued. The Battle of Liège (a massive German assault on the forts guarding the around Belgian city of Liège, and led by Erich Ludendorff) gave some idea of the scale and nature of modern warfare.
A year later Warsaw (capital of Russian Poland) was occupied by German forces, having been evacuated by the Russians. Simultanously the the Latin-American Conference convened in Washington D.C; representatives from leading South American nations joined the US to discuss conditions in Mexico (which was in a state of revolution).
In 1917 British troops attack the canal at Ypres in Belgium.
In 1926 Harry Houdini stayed in a coffin under water for over 90 minutes before escaping. Did he have help?
In 1942 the Japanese submarine I-30 arrives at L'Orient in occupied France on the first of the Yanagi missions. What secrets did she bring to Nazi controlled Europe? What horrors were lost when she struck a mine near Singapore>
In 1945 (at 3PM local time) General Curtis LeMay officially confirms a mission order for aircrews on Tinian island in the Pacific. The second atomic bomb2 codenamed 'Little Boy' is winched aboard, the Boeing B-29 is repainted with the name 'Enola Gay' and the crews for the following day's mission are arranged.
In 1967 Pirate Radio Station 333 (transmitting as Radio Britain) close down due to changes in UK law.What interesting experiments might these stations have been cover for? After all it'd be a bit unusual to park a ship offshore with large antennae....
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1. Later canonised and the the patron saint of ice skaters.
2. Actually he said "Damn the torpedoes! Four bells. Captain Drayton, go ahead! Jouett, full speed!". 'Torpedoes' refers to what we'd call naval mines.
3. The first, the Gadget, having been detonated on 16JUL. Unless it didn't...
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Post by missyfan45 on Aug 6, 2020 14:27:59 GMT
yanagi is good for a new alien adventure and the statue of liberty was a weeping angel so
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Post by Catsmate on Aug 6, 2020 19:37:39 GMT
06AUG, more than just Hiroshima.
In 939 the Battle of Simancas ends with the Spainish forces of King Ramiro II of León victorious over the Cordovan caliph Abd al-Rahman III/ At the time the Moors controlled the majority of Iberia. One of the main cuased for the Moorish defeat was the decision by the wali of Huesca (governor of north-east Spain) the rebellious Furtun ibn Muhammad al-Tawil to withhold his troops from the battle; for this he was crucified.
In 1497 the Italian explorer John Cabot returned to Bristol from Newfoundland, the first European return from North America since the Vikings and Celtic voyages centuries earlier.
In 1661 with the Treaty of The Hague, Brazil (then New Holland and a Ditch possession) was sold to Portugal by the Dutch Republic. The price was 63 tonnes of gold to Portugal, worth €3.5 billion today. That's a lot of gold....
In 1699 HMS Roebuck landed at Shark Bay in Western Australia; this was the first British scientific expedition to Australia. The ship was captained by William Dampier, the only Science Pirate in recorded history.
In 1806 the 6th of August was the official end of Holy Roman Empire; to use a hackneyed phrase, it was neither holy, Roman, nor an empire. Francis II renounced the title, becoming Emperor of Austria, which stretched back to Charlemagne a millennium earlier.
In 1815 a US naval force, commanded by Commodore Stephen Decatur, ended piracy by the Barbary States (Algiers, Tunis and Tripoli) in the Second Barbary War.
In 1845 the Russian Geographical Society was founded in Saint Petersburg. What interesting activities (other than mundane espionage) did it get up to? What happened to its secret records?
In 1890 William Kemmler becomes the first person to be deliberately killed by electricity; executed, for murder, in the electric chair. The process was messy with Kemmler still breathing after being declared dead and effectively being killed by having his brain cooked. What Mad Science might have being tried on him?
In 1909 Alice Ramsey and three friends became the first women to complete a road trip across the United States, 5,000km in all. A trip that involved a manhunt for a killer (Nebraska), bedbugs (Wyoming), being help up at arrow-point (Nevada), What other interesting experiences might they have had?
In 1914 a new form of warfare was tried when Liège was bombed by a German airship, killing nine people.
In 1930 New York Supreme Court judge Joseph Crater got into a taxi outside Billy Haas's Chophouse (332 West 45th Street) at around 10PM. Neither him, his body nor any trace have been found. So what happened to him? Weeping Angel perhaps? Voluntary disappearance due to political scandal? Murdered and buried at the New York Aquarium?
In 1945 the second atomic bomb was dropped on the city of Hiroshima by the US B-29 Superfortress 'Enola Gay'. About eighty thousand people die within a few seconds. Detailed timeline here. Of course this is an event that many an idealist, terrorist, nationalist or meddler would dearly love to change.
In 1961 the first case of motion sickness in space (now Space adaptation syndrome) is reported by Soviet cosmonaut Gherman Titov. He's also the first person (officially) to vomit in space.
In 1983 the Spanish supertanker Castillo de Bellvar caught fire after an (unexplained) explosion 110km northwest of Capetown in South Africa. The ship broke apart and sank. The cause of the initial explosion is unknown (Sea Devil attack? Attack on the Sea Devils?). About 150,000 tonnes of crude oil was dumped into the ocean, though effects on the coast was small thanks to currents and dispersal efforts.
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Post by missyfan45 on Aug 6, 2020 21:55:39 GMT
judge crater is a great pure historical
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