queen victorias attempts

[missyfan45]

the queen had 8 attempts on her that meddling travelers might interfere in

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Jun 30, 2020 20:56:34 GMT missyfan45 said:

the queen had 8 attempts on her that meddling travelers might interfere in

True, though not a patch on Churchill or Hitler for possibilities. The problem is none of the historical inincidents was terribly serious, most of the perpetrators were not trying seriously to kill Victoria.

Oxford, 1840
Probably insane, certainly the jury thought so and the seriousness of the attempt is doubtful as there was no sign of any actual bullet.

Francis, 1842
Attempt stopped by a constable, guilty of High Treason, sentence commuted.

Bean, 1842
No shot fired, also not really a serious attempt. Jailed.

Hamilton, 1849
Again not really a serious attempt to kill, pleaded guilty and transported.

Pate, 1850
Far and away the most serious injuries inflicted and the only non-shooting. Struck the queen over the head with a lightweight stick. Found guilty though of unsound mind, transported.

O'Connor, 1872
A minor with an unloaded pistol. Defense of insanity but found sane, imprisoned.

McLean, 1882
A single shot that missed, acquitted on the grounds of insanity.

There were some other incidents.
A boy was arrested in 1895, with a loaded revolver, on his way to Balmoral castle. Probably insane.


Personally I'd suggest something at the royal visit to the Great Exhibition; assassination, drugging, kidnapping, replacement by shape-shifting android, mind control...
Those free chocolate drops are highly suspicious.

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Hmm. I’m imagining something very low key myself. Maybe Robert Knox (or some other entrepreneurial foe) has placed one of these assassination attempts in a contained time loop and is presenting it as some sort of fairground/carnival game where wealthy aliens or the like can practise their markmanship or simply take potshots at the Empress of India.

By the time they realise the game is rigged and that the Queen cannot be assassinated, Knox will ran off with the takings for some other scheme.

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Jul 1, 2020 18:53:55 GMT grinch said:

Hmm. I’m imagining something very low key myself. Maybe Robert Knox (or some other entrepreneurial foe) has placed one of these assassination attempts in a contained time loop and is presenting it as some sort of fairground/carnival game where wealthy aliens or the like can practise their markmanship or simply take potshots at the Empress of India.

By the time they realise the game is rigged and that the Queen cannot be assassinated, Knox will ran off with the takings for some other scheme.

I like that! Knox was a favourite of mine and this has potential.

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Jul 1, 2020 20:25:03 GMT Catsmate said:

Jul 1, 2020 18:53:55 GMT grinch said:

Hmm. I’m imagining something very low key myself. Maybe Robert Knox (or some other entrepreneurial foe) has placed one of these assassination attempts in a contained time loop and is presenting it as some sort of fairground/carnival game where wealthy aliens or the like can practise their markmanship or simply take potshots at the Empress of India.

By the time they realise the game is rigged and that the Queen cannot be assassinated, Knox will ran off with the takings for some other scheme.

I like that! Knox was a favourite of mine and this has potential.

Knox is great. And he's played by Leslie Phillips so what's not to love? 

I'd imagine he has a few of these schemes going on at points throughout history. Front row seats at the signing of the Magna Carta, step into the shoes (Literally) of Lee Harvey Oswald and shoot Kennedy that sort of thing. I'd imagine there's only so far he could take these schemes before he draws the attention of one of the more temporally aware races. Feel like he wouldn't do well if confronted by the Time Lords. 

Will Knox be one of the errant time travellers that your group will encounter in your Thing in the Basement campaign? 

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Jul 1, 2020 22:49:10 GMT grinch said:

Jul 1, 2020 20:25:03 GMT Catsmate said:

I like that! Knox was a favourite of mine and this has potential.

Knox is great. And he's played by Leslie Phillips so what's not to love? 

I'd imagine he has a few of these schemes going on at points throughout history. Front row seats at the signing of the Magna Carta, step into the shoes (Literally) of Lee Harvey Oswald and shoot Kennedy that sort of thing. I'd imagine there's only so far he could take these schemes before he draws the attention of one of the more temporally aware races. Feel like he wouldn't do well if confronted by the Time Lords. 

Will Knox be one of the errant time travellers that your group will encounter in your Thing in the Basement campaign? 

Now that is a wonderful scheme, a campaign hopping through times visiting looped events, a way around the Limelight Effect.
I hadn't planned on inserting Knox but now as you mention him...

[olegrand]

Have you read Mark Hodder's SPRING-HEELED JACK and its sequels? You're on a very similar wavelength here

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Jul 2, 2020 10:35:07 GMT olegrand said:

Have you read Mark Hodder's SPRING-HEELED JACK and its sequels? You're on a very similar wavelength here

I haven't, though I've dabbled in steampunk. Thanks for the recommendation it sounds a rather interesting read and very suitable for a Paternoster/Torchwood campaign.

Taking of which I'm currently working on a couple of campaign ideas/seeds based on Captain Nemo, re-imagined into the Whoniverse; one with the Captain himself and the Nautilus and one a decades later featuring one of his associates (who has his own plans on some toys) who tangles with Torchwood and others.

[olegrand]

Ah, Captain Nemo... then you should definitely take a look at Philip José Farmer's extraordinary The Other Log of Phileas Fogg - as well as to the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen graphic novels, including the several "Nemo" spin-offs... All these sources have great ideas that could easily be cannibalized for in Dr Who, especially in a Victorian Torchwood campaign...

And of course, there was this:

dwaitas.proboards.com/thread/1583/who-captain

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Jul 2, 2020 20:50:20 GMT olegrand said:

Ah, Captain Nemo... then you should definitely take a look at Philip José Farmer's extraordinary The Other Log of Phileas Fogg - as well as to the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen graphic novels, including the several "Nemo" spin-offs... All these sources have great ideas that could easily be cannibalized for in Dr Who, especially in a Victorian Torchwood campaign...

And of course, there was this:

dwaitas.proboards.com/thread/1583/who-captain

I've read the League novels, I'm not sure such a overly powerful Nemo would fit in the Whoniverse. I may remove him before the Torchwood/Paternoster era (as in Paternoster Investigations) in some manner. But there's the Legacy of Nemo; people, bases, equipment, knowledge, that could pop up later. Especially Broad Arrow Jack, Ishmael and Doctor Altan Hobbs

I read Farmer years ago, including his Wold Newton stuff and it didn't really appeal; he tried too hard to tie absolutely everyone in to the meteorite. Also I found Doc Savage just irritating...

And thank you for "Who is... the Captain?" it's absolutely wonderful.
Of course now the Who mythos has added The Corsair.

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Jul 2, 2020 21:31:24 GMT Catsmate said:

Jul 2, 2020 20:50:20 GMT olegrand said:

Ah, Captain Nemo... then you should definitely take a look at Philip José Farmer's extraordinary The Other Log of Phileas Fogg - as well as to the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen graphic novels, including the several "Nemo" spin-offs... All these sources have great ideas that could easily be cannibalized for in Dr Who, especially in a Victorian Torchwood campaign...

And of course, there was this:

dwaitas.proboards.com/thread/1583/who-captain

I've read the League novels, I'm not sure such a overly powerful Nemo would fit in the Whoniverse. I may remove him before the Torchwood/Paternoster era (as in Paternoster Investigations) in some manner. But there's the Legacy of Nemo; people, bases, equipment, knowledge, that could pop up later. Especially Broad Arrow Jack, Ishmael and Doctor Altan Hobbs

I read Farmer years ago, including his Wold Newton stuff and it didn't really appeal; he tried too hard to tie absolutely everyone in to the meteorite. Also I found Doc Savage just irritating...

And thank you for "Who is... the Captain?" it's absolutely wonderful.
Of course now the Who mythos has added The Corsair.

To be honest, considering DW’s (especially Big Finish) habit to make Victorian literary figures real life characters such as Sherlock Holmes and Thomas Carnacki, I’d imagine that reinventing and incorporating Captain Nemo shouldn’t be too hard. Could even make an argument for having Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde make an appearance in the Paternoster Gang or Torchwood as an example.

Speaking of the League, it reminds me I statted a bunch of those characters to test the system at one point. Even a few of the... shall we say controversial chooses? A certain captain and inhabitant of a dark matter universe springs to mind for one thing.... ahem. Have no idea where they went though. Might post them if I find any of them. (Excluding the aforementioned controversial character of course.)

Always felt having Sherlock Holmes having to deal with a certain other Napoleon of Crime after Moriarty’s demise at the Reichenbach Falls would make for a good adventure as well.

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Jul 2, 2020 21:51:20 GMT grinch said:

Jul 2, 2020 21:31:24 GMT Catsmate said:

I've read the League novels, I'm not sure such a overly powerful Nemo would fit in the Whoniverse. I may remove him before the Torchwood/Paternoster era (as in Paternoster Investigations) in some manner. But there's the Legacy of Nemo; people, bases, equipment, knowledge, that could pop up later. Especially Broad Arrow Jack, Ishmael and Doctor Altan Hobbs

I read Farmer years ago, including his Wold Newton stuff and it didn't really appeal; he tried too hard to tie absolutely everyone in to the meteorite. Also I found Doc Savage just irritating...

And thank you for "Who is... the Captain?" it's absolutely wonderful.
Of course now the Who mythos has added The Corsair.

To be honest, considering DW’s (especially Big Finish) habit to make Victorian literary figures real life characters such as Sherlock Holmes and Thomas Carnacki, I’d imagine that reinventing and incorporating Captain Nemo shouldn’t be too hard. Could even make an argument for having Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde make an appearance in the Paternoster Gang or Torchwood as an example.

Speaking of the League, it reminds me I statted a bunch of those characters to test the system at one point. Even a few of the... shall we say controversial chooses? A certain captain and inhabitant of a dark matter universe springs to mind for one thing.... ahem. Have no idea where they went though. Might post them if I find any of them. (Excluding the aforementioned controversial character of course.)

Always felt having Sherlock Holmes having to deal with a certain other Napoleon of Crime after Moriarty’s demise at the Reichenbach Falls would make for a good adventure as well.

True, there's already a version of Nemo in a pair of Land of Fiction set audios, played by Alexander Siddig.
A variation of the Jekyll/Hyde story appeared in The Ityean Menace and it could pop up again, even in a different era such as the modern day or the classic Pulp era.
I've become father fond of the Ityeans, one of my current projects is a late Victorian scenario set in Glasgow where a number of the creatures have been released. Havoc ensues of course.

I rather like the idea of the Napoleon of Crime (from Paternoser Investigations) matching with a more human Holmes analogue, such as from The All Consuming Fire.

[olegrand]

(Back to my 2011 musings)

The Corsair and Nemo could be the same characters...

Since nobody ever calls the Doctor "Doctor Who", we could assume that the same goes for the Corsair. Other persons could easily address him/her as "Captain".

Captain who?

CAPTAIN NOBODY, of course!