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Post by senko on Dec 4, 2019 7:59:49 GMT
So I was at work today after watching the time of the angels and it occured to me River's comment about the sound being because the doctor leaves the brakes on actually makes sense. Get into a car and normally you start or park with your foot on the brake rather than starting it in drive or coasting to a halt, you can do it if your good but its dangerous and you'll probably hit a nearby car or worse when you try it. In fact our work cars simply wont start if you have the car in drive it has to be in either park or neutral. So it actually makes sense for the TARDIS brakes to be on when starting on ending a journey because it allows for far greater control and precision on where you land and the sound is easily explained as an audible warning to let people inside or out know that a TARDIS is either arriving or departing especially if you are taking the longer trips of the classic series and may not be in the control room. What River did is in fact possible but its risky, dangerous and quite possibly why they wound up on the beach at the bottom of the cliff rather than on top next to the ship. She coasted in with no brakes and missed it by that much, she also may be responsible for the dent in the 1980's. Thoughts?
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Post by Stormcrow on Dec 4, 2019 19:25:43 GMT
I ignore that line. The sound we've loved to hear since 1963 from every Gallifreyan time capsule is BAD DRIVING? No thank you, dumb line. Trashing fifty years of the show to make Moffat's pet character look superior.
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Post by greyhame on Dec 4, 2019 22:37:06 GMT
It was always supposed to be the Tardis' engines making that noise. That's why the other Tardises made different noises depending on their type/mark.
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Post by senko on Dec 5, 2019 5:09:35 GMT
Well that's why I've got this theory that its not bad driving, the bad driving was River parking without the brakes. I never park the car by coasting it into a parking spot like she did I use the brakes and my theory above that the TARDIS brakes are meant to be left on when parking to allow more control. The engines make that nose because the brakes being on indicates it is now landing/leaving and its a warning to other time travellers a time capsule is entering or leaving the vortex. River turning the brakes off and disabling that alert was engaging in risky teenage driving to try and impress her future husband which is why he gave her the look he did (Over her bad driving not yet aware they'll marry).
My little theory to explain her parking without the brakes fitting in to all other TARDIS's also making the noise.
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Post by Stormcrow on Dec 5, 2019 15:12:50 GMT
It's a good theory as far as it goes. I just don't like trying to justify all of Moffat's bad ideas.
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Post by senko on Dec 5, 2019 19:09:36 GMT
Fair enough to each their own, I tend to overthink and enjoy making neat theories to explain things in worlds. Lack of internal logic/consistency annoys me and if I can take a throwaway bit that ruins things and come up with a way to make it fit I'll do so. Inability to do so (cough starwars cough fuel cough never watching another one in the cinemas cough) can make something go in the not bothering with this again pile depending on how good the rest of it is.
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Post by senko on Dec 10, 2019 9:15:41 GMT
Just an addition to my last post I'd edit but it has been 4 day's. In the Impossible Astronaut the doctor goes stealth mode involving an invisible outershell and putting the engines on silent. Evidence for the theory that the brakes and the whoop sound are seperate. So the brakes can be on but the sound of a TARDIS arriving or leaving can be turned off. So we have . . .
Brakes + Siren = Normal safe operation for controlled arrivals and departures with an audible warning. Brakes + No Siren = Normal safe operation for controlled arrivals and departures but no audible warning to those around. No Brakes + No Siren = Who dented the 1980's on earth?
I like this theory it explains the little throwaway lines while at the same time invalidating the concept of the doctor being a bad driver. He's a good driver he's just not coasting it in for a hopeful in the area arrival or screeching out of there at top speed.
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Post by Catsmate on Dec 10, 2019 12:58:34 GMT
Just an addition to my last post I'd edit but it has been 4 day's. In the Impossible Astronaut the doctor goes stealth mode involving an invisible outershell and putting the engines on silent. Evidence for the theory that the brakes and the whoop sound are seperate. So the brakes can be on but the sound of a TARDIS arriving or leaving can be turned off. So we have . . . Brakes + Siren = Normal safe operation for controlled arrivals and departures with an audible warning. Brakes + No Siren = Normal safe operation for controlled arrivals and departures but no audible warning to those around. No Brakes + No Siren = Who dented the 1980's on earth? I like this theory it explains the little throwaway lines while at the same time invalidating the concept of the doctor being a bad driver. He's a good driver he's just not coasting it in for a hopeful in the area arrival or screeching out of there at top speed. I don't believe there is a limit on editing posts here; I've just edited one that's a month old.
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Post by Stormcrow on Dec 10, 2019 16:26:34 GMT
I have no problem with the Doctor being a bad driver. He's never been particularly good at piloting the TARDIS. That's a bedrock foundation of the show from the very beginning. I just have a problem with the normal sound of the TARDIS being declared wrong.
That'd be like watching the Dukes of Hazzard and learning that what you thought was the musical horn was really a broken exhaust pipe whistling. Or watching Star Trek and learning that the hum of the transporter beam was actually caused by a broken ionizer they never got around to fixing. Or the sound of a lightsaber humming was caused by Luke and Vader not remembering to lock the light blade in place, so it keeps slipping a bit. You're retroactively going back, taking something beloved, and turning it into a cheap joke.
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Post by senko on Dec 10, 2019 21:28:52 GMT
Just an addition to my last post I'd edit but it has been 4 day's. In the Impossible Astronaut the doctor goes stealth mode involving an invisible outershell and putting the engines on silent. Evidence for the theory that the brakes and the whoop sound are seperate. So the brakes can be on but the sound of a TARDIS arriving or leaving can be turned off. So we have . . . Brakes + Siren = Normal safe operation for controlled arrivals and departures with an audible warning. Brakes + No Siren = Normal safe operation for controlled arrivals and departures but no audible warning to those around. No Brakes + No Siren = Who dented the 1980's on earth? I like this theory it explains the little throwaway lines while at the same time invalidating the concept of the doctor being a bad driver. He's a good driver he's just not coasting it in for a hopeful in the area arrival or screeching out of there at top speed. I don't believe there is a limit on editing posts here; I've just edited one that's a month old.Oh I could edit it I just didn't think anyone who was involved in this topic would notice it after nearly a week since the post.
Stormcrow Avatar Dec 11, 2019 3:26:34 GMT 11 Stormcrow said: I have no problem with the Doctor being a bad driver. He's never been particularly good at piloting the TARDIS. That's a bedrock foundation of the show from the very beginning. I just have a problem with the normal sound of the TARDIS being declared wrong.
That'd be like watching the Dukes of Hazzard and learning that what you thought was the musical horn was really a broken exhaust pipe whistling. Or watching Star Trek and learning that the hum of the transporter beam was actually caused by a broken ionizer they never got around to fixing. Or the sound of a lightsaber humming was caused by Luke and Vader not remembering to lock the light blade in place, so it keeps slipping a bit. You're retroactively going back, taking something beloved, and turning it into a cheap joke.
Fair enough I can't do anything there.
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