misterharry
Dominus Tempus
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Post by misterharry on Nov 18, 2014 13:14:04 GMT
Theoretically the nanotech does not have to create matter at an elemental level (like a Star Trek replicator does) for the dead Cybermen creation - all the material that made up the corpse would have decomposed into the surrounding area. It's just a matter of putting it back together again and recombining organic molecules - based on whatever scanning technology Missy was using to capture a mind of a human (or mostly human in the case of the robot in Deep Breath) at the moment of death. We saw that only a percentage of graves resulted in the Cybermen, so I don't think the technology was advanced enough to do that - only those corpses that were still relatively new* could be converted. * Not sure of the precise timescales, but probably only a few years, a decade or two at most.
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Post by Stormcrow on Nov 18, 2014 13:56:22 GMT
Not to mention that Danny was turned into a Cyberman on a cot in the morgue, beneath a shroud. Only what was Danny was actually turned into a Cyberman.
The episode blatantly violated some fairly obvious laws of physics, to a degree that I just couldn't get past.
And it was just plain silly.
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Post by Hedgewick on Nov 20, 2014 0:55:45 GMT
The episode blatantly violated some fairly obvious laws of physics, to a degree that I just couldn't get past. After "Kill the Moon," this was akin to Sagan's Cosmos.
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stahlman
3rd Incarnation
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Post by stahlman on Dec 20, 2014 8:50:40 GMT
I think all of the above contributions make excellent points. I think my other problem with nanotechnology is the difficulty with putting boundaries on it. Yes, if it was that good you can just chuck a mini handful into someone's face and they would instantly turn into a Cyberman, Dalek or J Edgar Hoover. Or, if the good guys get hold of it you can chuck a cloud into a Cyberman's face and instantly restore him to the original person.
My very first DW:AITAS online scenario employed nanotech to 'cure ' Cyberconversion but it ultimately failed because the psychological conditioning would re-assert itself( and anyway in my game it was all a plot by the Cybermen to convert people more easily).
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Post by Doctor X on Sept 5, 2015 22:04:46 GMT
Regarding Osgood's death: We never DID find out what happened to the Zygon that took her form. It might've gone to work for UNIT as well.
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Catsmate
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Post by Catsmate on Sept 7, 2015 9:43:46 GMT
Regarding Osgood's death: We never DID find out what happened to the Zygon that took her form. It might've gone to work for UNIT as well. True he/she/it also seemed fairly friendly. We can't be sure which Osgood was disintegrated, or even if she was actually disintegrated. An Osgood will be appearing in the new season and there'll be Zygons, leaving several options open.
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Post by zebaroth on Dec 6, 2015 2:17:39 GMT
Loved it! Surprisingly dark. Definitely hope Michelle Gomez makes another appearance as The Master. She's probably the best there's been since Delgado. And Clara and The Doctor's goodbyes at the end... perfect. She may not have had as strong a story arc as the Ponds but I reckon she surpassed their ending. Cyber-brig was a little cheesy, but that's kind of what you expect from Doctor Who. I wonder did he jet off to foil a bank robbery or something and will we see him return as a sort of upper-class English Iron Man Michelle Gomez is one of the best who has been the master
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