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Post by Stormcrow on Jan 31, 2012 18:44:19 GMT
On p. 75 of the Player's Guide, there is an example of Rose resisting Dalek fire. She rolls an 8, but the Dalek gets a Fantastic result. All well and good.
However, the example then says that Rose got a Disastrous result. Huh? Rose is resisting, not acting, so she doesn't get a result. She only determines the target number for the Dalek. So how does she spend Story Points on the "That Was Close" option? It rather looks like a Fantastic result for the actor means a Disastrous result for the resister. If so, then each kind of result has its own counterpart result for the resister. Or perhaps you can spend Story Points to reduce the result of the actor when you are the resister.
A proper explanation of what is happening here seems to be missing from the rule books. What do you think?
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Post by garethl on Feb 18, 2012 13:08:47 GMT
Hello Stormcrow,
You say she isn't acting but resisting. This is how I read it: Rose isn't trying to dodge the Dalek shot, she is trying to dive behind cover. Both the Dalek and Rose act at the same time. How well/fast Rose dives is the target number for the Dalek, but the diving is also the action Rose's player takes, so she gets a result.
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Post by da professor on Feb 18, 2012 17:53:45 GMT
In any conflict a Fantastic result for one side is a Disastrous result for the other, equivalents for lesser degrees also applying.
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Post by garethl on Feb 18, 2012 19:15:07 GMT
In any conflict a Fantastic result for one side is a Disastrous result for the other, equivalents for lesser degrees also applying. Could you give a page number for that? I couldn't find it in my, admittedly rather brief, look at the Conflict section of the Gamemaster's Guide.
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Post by Stormcrow on Feb 19, 2012 15:35:09 GMT
You say she isn't acting but resisting. This is how I read it: Rose isn't trying to dodge the Dalek shot, she is trying to dive behind cover. Both the Dalek and Rose act at the same time. How well/fast Rose dives is the target number for the Dalek, but the diving is also the action Rose's player takes, so she gets a result. I don't think that's it. For one thing, the book makes it very clear: you can only roll an action when it's your turn, and you roll a resistance when you're reacting to someone else's turn. For another, even if we allow Rose's dive to be both action and resistance, for her roll of 8 to be Disastrous, she'd need to have had a target number of 17+. Just to dive behind some trash cans? Why wasn't this target number mentioned? And even then, how does her Disastrous result affect the Dalek's shot?
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Post by Stormcrow on May 21, 2014 18:26:15 GMT
I was running a game last weekend and was thinking about this issue again. Looking over the example again, and armed with a better understanding of conflicts, I now believe that the example is showing us a simple, not extended, conflict.
So it appears that da professor was right: Not only does the winner get a result based on the loser's roll as the target number, but the loser gets a result based on the winner's roll as the target number.
However, the two results are really one and the same: Rose spending Story Points to raise her Disastrous result to a Success is the same as her spending points to lower the Dalek's Fantastic! result to a Failure. One mustn't double up the damage multipliers; Rose is hit with L * 0.5(Rose Success) = 4 levels of damage, not L * 0.5(Rose Success) * 0.5(Dalek Failure) = 2.
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