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Post by zebaroth on Jan 24, 2011 3:30:51 GMT
an idea i have toying with a person who is browsing at antique's mall finds an old police box that no one can open. he buys it and has it taking home It has a key in the lock it opens for him. he go's inside it is Tardis and it makes him into a timelord any ideas on how
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Post by misterharry on Jan 24, 2011 10:36:56 GMT
The obvious answer would be the good old Chameleon Arch. As per Human Nature/The Family of Blood, the person buying the police box is actually a Time Lord converted to human in order to survive the Time War. The TARDIS was drawing its old master to it by psychic means which the Time Lord as a human could not detect.
But if you want something different, then how about the TARDIS having been programmed to ensure the survival of the Time Lords by whatever means possible. So it's been waiting for a suitable human to come along, allow him/her to enter the TARDIS and genetically transform them into the first of the new Time Lord race. The new Time Lord will obviously be confused, shocked, maybe even traumatised. All great fodder for role-playing. Then there are the moral implications to consider - a TARDIS effectively kidnapping somebody and destroying their old life.
Is it significant that the TARDIS is a police box? Do you intend it to be the Doctor's TARDIS? Or is that just some sort of synchronicity?
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Post by chickenpaddy on Jan 24, 2011 15:53:08 GMT
Another interesting note about the TARDIS key. It's been mentioned that the Doctor keeps a spare in a secret compartment behind the "P" in the Police Box sign (if this is indeed the Doctor's TARDIS). The TARDIS could call telepathically to the character, causing him to buy it, find the key, and then make a new Time Lord.
It sounds like an interesting idea. It'd be interesting to see it implemented.
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Post by korith on Jan 24, 2011 17:22:42 GMT
The obvious answer would be the good old Chameleon Arch. As per Human Nature/The Family of Blood, the person buying the police box is actually a Time Lord converted to human in order to survive the Time War. The TARDIS was drawing its old master to it by psychic means which the Time Lord as a human could not detect. But if you want something different, then how about the TARDIS having been programmed to ensure the survival of the Time Lords by whatever means possible. So it's been waiting for a suitable human to come along, allow him/her to enter the TARDIS and genetically transform them into the first of the new Time Lord race. The new Time Lord will obviously be confused, shocked, maybe even traumatised. All great fodder for role-playing. Then there are the moral implications to consider - a TARDIS effectively kidnapping somebody and destroying their old life. Is it significant that the TARDIS is a police box? Do you intend it to be the Doctor's TARDIS? Or is that just some sort of synchronicity? Building on this, we've also seen in The Stolen Earth and Journey's End that Regeneration Energy can have a very interesting effect on humans. In Donna's case, it nearly kills her, but the TARDIS may have a workaround (perhaps a change in brain chemistry)
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Post by da professor on Jan 24, 2011 18:07:43 GMT
in The Stolen Earth and Journey's End that Regeneration Energy can have a very interesting effect on humans. In Donna's case, it nearly kills her, but the TARDIS may have a workaround (perhaps a change in brain chemistry) In those episodes the metacrisis only partly did the job, requiring a kick-start from Davros, but if the TARDIS intervened deliberately, rather than being distracted trying to not be destroyed, other outcomes are certainly possible.
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Post by zebaroth on Jan 24, 2011 21:21:49 GMT
The obvious answer would be the good old Chameleon Arch. As per Human Nature/The Family of Blood, the person buying the police box is actually a Time Lord converted to human in order to survive the Time War. The TARDIS was drawing its old master to it by psychic means which the Time Lord as a human could not detect. But if you want something different, then how about the TARDIS having been programmed to ensure the survival of the Time Lords by whatever means possible. So it's been waiting for a suitable human to come along, allow him/her to enter the TARDIS and genetically transform them into the first of the new Time Lord race. The new Time Lord will obviously be confused, shocked, maybe even traumatised. All great fodder for role-playing. Then there are the moral implications to consider - a TARDIS effectively kidnapping somebody and destroying their old life. Is it significant that the TARDIS is a police box? Do you intend it to be the Doctor's TARDIS? Or is that just some sort of synchronicity? the tardis could be anything I just used a police box for an example. was kinda thinking as you said the tardis trying to ensure the survival of the timelord race
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Post by apseudo on Jan 25, 2011 0:07:04 GMT
I wasn't sure what to think of this at first, but upon further thought, it's really an interesting idea. The research I've done on TARDISes (which is by no means exhaustive, nor solely based on the show and therefore of questionable canonicity) says that later model TARDISes were more or even fully sentient, so that raises the question of whether your TARDIS in the antiques mall was programmed to do it, or did it on its own. Did the Time Lords see how other races ensured their survival by 'elevating' other species and decide that was worth a last effort? Or was the TARDIS young and scared during the Time War, running away when it lost its crew, and decided it didn't want to be alone anymore?
Those are far from the only possibilities, but you were asking about how it could happen, weren't you. Well, considering the capabilities we've seen from an older TARDIS, it doesn't seem far fetched that a newer TARDIS would be able to extensively change a person's brain, especially if the human was slightly psychic to begin with. If it was on a mission from the Time Lords, it might have specific mechanisms for changing the person's physiology, an adapted Chameleon Arch or transmat. Of course, it could also be that a Time Lord had used a Chameleon Arch, abandoned the TARDIS, and died as a human, leaving his essence in the TARDIS. I would love to hear how it goes if you do this.
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Post by zebaroth on Jan 25, 2011 1:26:35 GMT
I wasn't sure what to think of this at first, but upon further thought, it's really an interesting idea. The research I've done on TARDISes (which is by no means exhaustive, nor solely based on the show and therefore of questionable canonicity) says that later model TARDISes were more or even fully sentient, so that raises the question of whether your TARDIS in the antiques mall was programmed to do it, or did it on its own. Did the Time Lords see how other races ensured their survival by 'elevating' other species and decide that was worth a last effort? Or was the TARDIS young and scared during the Time War, running away when it lost its crew, and decided it didn't want to be alone anymore? Those are far from the only possibilities, but you were asking about how it could happen, weren't you. Well, considering the capabilities we've seen from an older TARDIS, it doesn't seem far fetched that a newer TARDIS would be able to extensively change a person's brain, especially if the human was slightly psychic to begin with. If it was on a mission from the Time Lords, it might have specific mechanisms for changing the person's physiology, an adapted Chameleon Arch or transmat. Of course, it could also be that a Time Lord had used a Chameleon Arch, abandoned the TARDIS, and died as a human, leaving his essence in the TARDIS. I would love to hear how it goes if you do this. some good points on how and why
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Post by da professor on Jan 26, 2011 7:56:46 GMT
Of course, it could also be that a Time Lord had used a Chameleon Arch, abandoned the TARDIS, and died as a human, leaving his essence in the TARDIS. Or said timelord could, having become human, gone on to be an ancestor of the person who finds the TARDIS years, or generations, later.
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Post by zebaroth on Jan 26, 2011 23:14:25 GMT
that is interesting da porfessor
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Post by ugavine on Jan 28, 2011 10:17:20 GMT
This is a great concept for a Time Lord, or becoming a Time Lord.
How about the humans great-great-great grandfather was a Time Lord? Hence when he entered the TARDSI it was the genetic heritage that caused the transformation.
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Post by zebaroth on Jan 29, 2011 5:11:46 GMT
This is a great concept for a Time Lord, or becoming a Time Lord. How about the humans great-great-great grandfather was a Time Lord? Hence when he entered the TARDSI it was the genetic heritage that caused the transformation. have been thinking something along those lines and some other ideas
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Post by jennysfan on May 20, 2011 1:47:19 GMT
It could be that 'temporal energy' is what powers a timelord's regeneration.* Properly harnessed it might pull off the transition from human to timelord, as according to the teasers for the Time Traveller's Companion, timelords are a geneticaly (engineeried/altered) species (based on/uplift from) gallifreyians.
*I came to this conclusion based on Jenny and the Impossible Astronaut. Validity may very.
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Post by rev503 on May 27, 2011 23:30:09 GMT
I always ran it that at one point he timelords were humans at the end of a long line of genetic modifications - and he timelords didn't neccessarily know this as their own past had been obfuscated. Thats why the Chameleon Arch actually works and why they appear human despite a large number of survival modifications (two hearts, backup respirotory system, regeneration). A tardis could have finally found someone close enough to original timelord DNA toinsert the mods into, but they'd be very puzzled without the context of Galifreyan academy training (and initiation) so if I was doing somehting like this I'd have the first few adventures essentially with a clueless timelord and a TARDIS getting him into situations to emulate academy training, possibly with subliminilal eductation going on.
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Post by zebaroth on May 28, 2011 16:44:23 GMT
I always ran it that at one point he timelords were humans at the end of a long line of genetic modifications - and he timelords didn't neccessarily know this as their own past had been obfuscated. Thats why the Chameleon Arch actually works and why they appear human despite a large number of survival modifications (two hearts, backup respirotory system, regeneration). A tardis could have finally found someone close enough to original timelord DNA toinsert the mods into, but they'd be very puzzled without the context of Galifreyan academy training (and initiation) so if I was doing somehting like this I'd have the first few adventures essentially with a clueless timelord and a TARDIS getting him into situations to emulate academy training, possibly with subliminilal eductation going on. that is a good idea
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Post by da professor on May 29, 2011 11:17:10 GMT
I always ran it that at one point he timelords were humans at the end of a long line of genetic modifications - Coming after the toclofanes then going back in time to be present for the Dark Times perhaps.
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Post by monkeyprime on May 29, 2011 23:03:44 GMT
It could be, on a completely different tack, the Celestrial Toymaker. He has always been defeated by the Doctor so he leaves a trap out. His intention is to beat the Doctor using his own Doctor. He'll pick someone with a natural inquisativeness and turn him into a TIme Lord by testing him with a series of adventures to bring out a Time Lord that can compete with the Doctor. Then you have the natural series finale when Doctor meets the upstart Doctor. Just a thought!
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Post by thecouldvebeenking on Jun 3, 2011 14:56:25 GMT
It could be, on a completely different tack, the Celestrial Toymaker. He has always been defeated by the Doctor so he leaves a trap out. His intention is to beat the Doctor using his own Doctor. He'll pick someone with a natural inquisativeness and turn him into a TIme Lord by testing him with a series of adventures to bring out a Time Lord that can compete with the Doctor. Then you have the natural series finale when Doctor meets the upstart Doctor. Just a thought! This would be esspecially hilarious because the Doctor has demonstrated by his actions in The Almost People (when he met his Ganger) that this meeting would not result in a fight. I'm just imagining the Toymaker spluttering and fuming while the two Doctors have a stimulating and friendly conversation, then proceed to outsmart and imprison him in about twelve seconds.
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Post by zebaroth on Jun 4, 2011 2:42:17 GMT
I always ran it that at one point he timelords were humans at the end of a long line of genetic modifications - and he timelords didn't neccessarily know this as their own past had been obfuscated. Thats why the Chameleon Arch actually works and why they appear human despite a large number of survival modifications (two hearts, backup respirotory system, regeneration). A tardis could have finally found someone close enough to original timelord DNA toinsert the mods into, but they'd be very puzzled without the context of Galifreyan academy training (and initiation) so if I was doing somehting like this I'd have the first few adventures essentially with a clueless timelord and a TARDIS getting him into situations to emulate academy training, possibly with subliminilal eductation going on. that would work well
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