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Post by Nyder on Jul 19, 2017 7:30:39 GMT
I've waited a few days before posting this, mainly to let the news sink in. The choices are deliberately simple and no justification for how you vote is necessary - though if you do want to explain, you're free to do so.
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Post by Escher on Jul 19, 2017 11:56:04 GMT
I think the reaction of myself and my good lady were not too far from this:
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Post by Jacobin on Jul 23, 2017 14:24:14 GMT
I've never really taken an issue with the doctor's casting. I trust the producers to make a good judgement.
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Post by cigarman on Jul 23, 2017 23:31:03 GMT
Worst thing to ever happen to the series, next to that abortion of the show Fox Network tried as the 8th Doctor pilot.
I may be in the minority here, but not on the rest of the Internet.
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Post by misterharry on Jul 24, 2017 7:29:59 GMT
I may be in the minority here, but not on the rest of the Internet. Sorry, but I don't believe that's the case. The poll over on Gallifrey Base, the largest online Doctor Who community, shows an approval rating of 79% as of this morning. From my perspective, it seems that those who aren't happy post again and again, while those who are post once or twice and then move on, so the balance of opinion appears skewed. I think that's pretty much the case with anything - those who don't like it as more vocal than those who do.
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Post by da professor on Jul 24, 2017 9:53:02 GMT
I may be in the minority here, but not on the rest of the Internet. Sorry, but I don't believe that's the case. The poll over on Gallifrey Base, the largest online Doctor Who community, shows an approval rating of 79% as of this morning. From my perspective, it seems that those who aren't happy post again and again, while those who are post once or twice and then move on, so the balance of opinion appears skewed. I think that's pretty much the case with anything - those who don't like it as more vocal than those who do. This pattern appears to hold true on every forum across the net. Naysayer posts outnumber the positives, but reactions and comments indicate that general opinion is significantly in the other direction.
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Post by Stormcrow on Jul 24, 2017 13:49:27 GMT
I imagine the polls are pretty self-selecting in this case; I wouldn't trust them. I have felt a certain "see how progressive I am?" undercurrent to much of the positive response. I've also seen forums where the reaction was entirely negative, where those of the negative opinion wouldn't ever bother to participate in a poll.
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Post by misterharry on Jul 24, 2017 13:57:44 GMT
So do you actually believe that the majority of fans are against a female Doctor?
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Post by Stormcrow on Jul 24, 2017 18:51:22 GMT
So do you actually believe that the majority of fans are against a female Doctor? Lacking poll results I can trust, I have no idea.
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Post by misterharry on Jul 24, 2017 19:38:57 GMT
Lacking evidence to the contrary, I'll stick with my own belief.
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Post by Stormcrow on Jul 24, 2017 20:55:12 GMT
I have no problem with you believing something for which there is no objective data.
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Post by Hedgewick on Jul 24, 2017 21:03:09 GMT
If we're going to talk about objective data, it's here. The poll is designed to collect data. That's the purpose for the poll.
For my part, I voted positive because I'm very excited about the casting decision. I'm proud of Doctor Who. I can't wait to see the Thirteenth Doctor in action and I have no doubt that Whittaker is going to be as brilliant as her esteemed predecessors.
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Post by Stormcrow on Jul 24, 2017 22:58:20 GMT
I'm absolutely certain that a poll on a niche RPG forum is not a representative sample either. ;-)
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Post by cigarman on Jul 25, 2017 0:12:24 GMT
I'm absolutely certain that a poll on a niche RPG forum is not a representative sample either. ;-) Finally, a voice of reason. Thought I was completely alone here. Nice to know I'm not.
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Post by Jacobin on Jul 25, 2017 0:43:10 GMT
Worst thing to ever happen to the series, next to that abortion of the show Fox Network tried as the 8th Doctor pilot. I may be in the minority here, but not on the rest of the Internet. Worst thing to ever happen to the series? Ever? Why does it actually disappoint some so much? I don't understand how this could possibly be the worst decision ever made. I doubt the rest of the internet would agree, seems like a return-survey bias. People who are upset are going to complain whereas people who are perfectly fine with this aren't likely to voice their opinion unless presented with opposition.
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Post by misterharry on Jul 25, 2017 7:29:14 GMT
I have no problem with you believing something for which there is no objective data. On the contrary, the membership of Gallifrey Base is large enough and broad enough for the poll to give a general indication of how popular the casting is. It may not be down to the exact percentage, but it's a broad measure. If you want another piece of data, then the much publicised online petition to get the BBC to recast the 13th Doctor as a man has, after a week, only gained 550 signatures. A drop in the ocean when it comes to fandom, let alone the wider audience. As I said above, those who dislike something tend to be much more vocal than those who are in agreement. That's not a criticism of either side, it's just how people usually behave.
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Post by misterharry on Jul 25, 2017 7:38:30 GMT
I have felt a certain "see how progressive I am?" undercurrent to much of the positive response. I'd also add that disregarding polls because the reasons that people vote may be dubious to you is very suspect. We could equally say that many people have voted negatively just to bash New Who, the BBC or Chris Chibnall, or on grounds of pure sexism*. A vote is a vote is a vote, no matter the reason behind it. We can't make value judgements on whether or not a vote should count. *For clarity, I am NOT saying that everyone who does not like the concept of a female Doctor is being sexist. There are plenty of other reasons not to like it.
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Post by Escher on Jul 25, 2017 9:19:22 GMT
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Post by Stormcrow on Jul 25, 2017 14:07:42 GMT
I don't think you understand the concept of self-selection bias. (No doubt you will dispute that suggestion.)
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Post by Rassilon on Jul 25, 2017 14:25:16 GMT
This thread is veering off-course. Let's stay on topic. Thank you.
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Post by imajica on Jul 31, 2017 11:41:42 GMT
Overall, I'm not sure how I feel about the new casting. Veering towards positive but then it all depends on the writing that accompanies the new Doctor, the new companion/s, and that's largely unknown at the moment. We don't know what direction the new showrunner wants to take Dr Who and until we get a feel for that, the Doctor could be played by my cat for all the difference it would make.
I wonder how great Capaldi could have been as the Doctor if he'd been freed from the shackles for Stephen Moffat's control?
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Post by Stormcrow on Jul 31, 2017 11:48:42 GMT
Heh. I just imagined the Doctor regenerating into an exceptionally smart border collie, and everyone is rushing to explain why it's a perfectly logical and unexceptional casting, and why is everyone in an uproar about it?
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Post by ninjaconor on Jul 31, 2017 12:06:29 GMT
Heh. I just imagined the Doctor regenerating into an exceptionally smart border collie, and everyone is rushing to explain why it's a perfectly logical and unexceptional casting, and why is everyone in an uproar about it? Did you actually just compare regenerating into a woman with regenerating into a dog?
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Post by Stormcrow on Jul 31, 2017 14:57:30 GMT
Did you actually just compare regenerating into a woman with regenerating into a dog? Nope. I illustrated the extremes to which fans will go to justify changes writers and producers introduce.
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Post by Stormcrow on Jul 31, 2017 14:58:08 GMT
And you illustrated how quickly some people are to jump to the wrong, sensational conclusion.
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Post by Rassilon on Jul 31, 2017 15:07:02 GMT
I will say this for the last time: lets stay on-topic please.
Thank you.
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Post by boxer01 on Oct 10, 2017 17:51:07 GMT
. . . an exceptionally smart border collie . . . Having owned a border collie/corgi mix you have no idea how scary that phrase is . . . I have no problem with a female Doctor. Not because I'm progressive or socially aware or anything but because it's an established possibility that gender can change during regen.
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Post by Corone on Oct 11, 2017 16:00:22 GMT
Like every single regeneration, I will reserve judgement until I see what they are like. I remember thinking 'Sylvester McCoy? He does children's TV and just makes silly faces! No, no, no!' and now, if I have a favourite incarnation, he is it.
I am a little sad we've lost one of the almost non-existent lead roles for a non-violent male character. It was one of the reasons I became a Who fan was that finally there was a guy like me, a little bit geeky who didn't just punch things, up there being in charge. But unlike my childhood, in having this conversation I have found more of this archetype is about (although not even as many as female lead roles) so it is improving. Either way, if a new generation of female Who fans get to have that for a while thats awesome.
My only real upset is that we won't have a companion to see the change. Matt Smith felt like a reboot not a regeneration and I'm sad it may be the same here with new show runner and new Doctor (and even new TARDIS I believe).
One thing is for sure, Doctor Who will do as it always has, survive. No other programme is as versatile or changable, There is no right or wrong way to do it. While change may have lost some people it has always gathered more. Bring it on Jodie, I can't wait to see what you and Chris do with the next series.
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Post by drfan666 on Dec 23, 2017 8:14:15 GMT
I'm looking forward to the new Doctor.
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Post by boxer01 on Dec 24, 2017 14:37:22 GMT
We've been streaming Broadchurch lately so now I'm even more intrigued at seeing her play the Doctor.
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