Jacobin
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Favourite Doctors: Three and Four.
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Post by Jacobin on Jul 27, 2017 20:33:34 GMT
Until Moffat, it was not. And until a showrunner decided turning into a cactus was perfectly normal in doctor who, it was not.
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tampahawke
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Favourite Doctors: 4th, 5th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 13th, (12th on revison) *Fugitive "Ruth" Doctor and the WarDoctor-because!!*
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Post by tampahawke on Jul 28, 2017 11:41:23 GMT
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Post by Stormcrow on Jul 28, 2017 14:44:02 GMT
And until a showrunner decided turning into a cactus was perfectly normal in doctor who, it was not. Oh, before that they only turned into plant-monsters and bug-monsters and slime-monsters and machine-monsters and mold-monsters. No, those are NOTHING like turning into a cactus-monster. No, precious.
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Jacobin
2nd Incarnation
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Favourite Doctors: Three and Four.
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Post by Jacobin on Jul 28, 2017 15:02:37 GMT
And until a showrunner decided turning into a cactus was perfectly normal in doctor who, it was not. Oh, before that they only turned into plant-monsters and bug-monsters and slime-monsters and machine-monsters and mold-monsters. No, those are NOTHING like turning into a cactus-monster. No, precious. Seems like a very deliberate category to be drawn. Turning into a cactus is similar enough to turning into a monster, but The Doctor regenerating into a completely new person isn't similar enough to The Doctor Regenerating into the opposite sex? I don't know. It's lost on me. Jul 28, 2017 10:44:02 GMT -4 Stormcrow said: No, precious. No need to be patronizing.
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Post by Stormcrow on Jul 28, 2017 16:41:10 GMT
The Doctor regenerating into a completely new person isn't similar enough to The Doctor Regenerating into the opposite sex? I don't know. It's lost on me. Try reading my previous posts where I explain how sexual identity is a fundamental aspect of human social interaction. When you said "The Doctor regenerating into a completely new person," you really meant "the Doctor regenerating into yet another white man," right? Regardless of whether one approves of it or not, they deliberately set out to cross a stark line, and they have now crossed it. They knew it was a line and the reaction proves it was a line. They carefully built a road leading to the line. Pretending it wasn't a line is pointless; pretending you can't see the line is disingenuous or, at best, self-deluding.
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Post by Marnal on Jul 28, 2017 17:12:41 GMT
Amusingly the first instance of someone turning into a cactus appears to also be the first instance of someone changing gender in Dr Who. The infectious Varga cactus monsters in 1965's "The Dalek Master Plan."
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Jacobin
2nd Incarnation
Posts: 27
Favourite Doctors: Three and Four.
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Post by Jacobin on Jul 28, 2017 19:35:36 GMT
When you said "The Doctor regenerating into a completely new person," you really meant "the Doctor regenerating into yet another white man," right? Regardless of whether one approves of it or not, they deliberately set out to cross a stark line, and they have now crossed it. They knew it was a line and the reaction proves it was a line. They carefully built a road leading to the line. Pretending it wasn't a line is pointless; pretending you can't see the line is disingenuous or, at best, self-deluding. Your posts don't really manage to convince me that being a white man is really central to the role. Would you be upset with the change if he regenerated into a black man instead of a woman? I don't see what that would do with social interaction, but your specification of "white man" seems to imply it.
The Doctor's social interaction also changes drastically from regeneration to regeneration. No issue here. As another user said much more eloquently, Doctor Who has always broke the occasional line.
I think if one tries to play it off like there is a lore reason that this is the crossed line which creates so much controversy, they are being disingenuous or self deluding. But hey, not like mentioning that changes anything.
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Jacobin
2nd Incarnation
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Favourite Doctors: Three and Four.
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Post by Jacobin on Jul 28, 2017 19:37:22 GMT
Amusingly the first instance of someone turning into a cactus appears to also be the first instance of someone changing gender in Dr Who. The infectious Varga cactus monsters in 1965's "The Dalek Master Plan." I haven't heard seen this adventure. Could you explain in more detail?
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Post by Stormcrow on Jul 28, 2017 19:43:24 GMT
Your posts don't really manage to convince me that being a white man is really central to the role. That's because I'm not TRYING to convince you that being a white man is central to the role. Just never mind.
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Post by Marnal on Jul 28, 2017 20:33:24 GMT
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Rassilon
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Post by Rassilon on Jul 29, 2017 11:03:03 GMT
Reported Post: Please refrain from what may be considered open condescension directed at a member. Thank you.
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