Upgraded Cybermen vs Daleks

[senko]

Just watched silver nightmare again and I realized just how different these cybermen are to the ones at Canary warf who are slaughtered in Job lots by a single Dalek. These guy's move faster than sight can adjust, adapt to energy types in seconds, upgrade anything they get their hands on and it got me wondering how do people think these cybermen would perform against the Daleks? To me they actually seem like they'd be more of a threat.

[Catsmate]

Those Cybermen were far more advanced, comparable to the Daleks in Asylum of the Daleks (which also used nanotech along with shapeshifting puppets, personal vortex travel and planetary shields) perhaps.

In their on-screen appearances the Cybermen always struck me as second-rate opponents at best; they had perpetual resource problems and didn't seem to develop technologically. For examples the Daleks could grow new mutants by cloning, while the Cybermen never seemed to use this method, and were always looking for new recruits. Likewise there's no evidence the Cybermen ever developed proper time-travel. In general they'd not be a serious threat to the Daleks, even those of the classic Who era, let along the upgraded, shielded and flight capable later models.

However, as you said, those of Nightmare in Silver were vastly more capable and seem like a genuine threat, hence the human 'scorched planet' response. It's not revealed just how far in the future that story us set, though the reference to 'emperor of a thousand galaxies' suggests a long way.

[senko]

Your right about the Cybermen its why these ones stood out so much compared to their normal appearance. Considering the humans not only blew up an entire galaxy but also were able to detect a bomb activation on an abandoned mudball of a planet, lock onto one individual and teleport all surviving humans clear in less than a minute and a half their tech is very advanced but I don't think they have time travel (51st century yet) or they've gone so far they know using it to stop the development of the cybermen would create a nasty paradox.

[Catsmate]

Jun 29, 2016 11:34:43 GMT senko said:

Your right about the Cybermen its why these ones stood out so much compared to their normal appearance. Considering the humans not only blew up an entire galaxy but also were able to detect a bomb activation on an abandoned mudball of a planet, lock onto one individual and teleport all surviving humans clear in less than a minute and a half their tech is very advanced but I don't think they have time travel (51st century yet) or they've gone so far they know using it to stop the development of the cybermen would create a nasty paradox.

You might be right, though I'd put it far further than the 51st century; in fact I'd put it in a period form multiple tens of thousands, to millions of years in the future. It's clearly after the setting of The Daleks' Master Plan given the multi-galaxy empire and level of technology. But I generally have Earth becoming a more-or-less irreverent backwater in the late sixth millennium anyway.
The lack of time travel could be down to understanding how dangerous it is and refraining from using it, or residual effects of the Time War.

[prof]

I think the daleks are way more dangerous than the Cybermen. Even if I don't really know about them (I've been sent out of Gallifrey when I was young), I think they would still succeed.