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Post by Catsmate on Jun 13, 2016 11:05:14 GMT
Recently I read this excellent BBC piece about 'Neil Dovestones" the unidentified man found dead at Dovestone Reservoir in the Peak District. Now bodies found without identification are hardly unknown, but this man seems to have gone to a fair degree of effort to ensure that he wasn't identified after (presumably) killing himself. Even the manner of death, strychnine poisoning, is pretty unusual these days.
I reminded me that I'd be meaning to write-up the utterly fascinating matter of the Taman Shud case, a 1948 incident redolent of mystery and Cold War espionage with it's carefully anonymised corpse, unknown manner of death, multitude of dead-end investigatory leads, possible ciphers and general oddness.
- Plus there are links to two other mysterious deaths, that of Clive Mangnoson (who's father was investigating the case and was warned off) and Joseph Saul Haim Marshall who'd been found in 1934 near the location of the Somerton body, also dead of an unidentified poison, and with a copy of the the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam on his chest.
More than seventy years later it remains "one of Australia's most profound mysteries".
In Ireland we have the case of Peter Bergmann, a mysterious 'Germanic' man who (apparently) committed suicide on a beach near the town of Sligo on 16JUN2009, after methodically disposing of his personal possessions without being seen on CCTV. What did he die of? Why did he come to Sligo to die? Did he kill himself? How did he so methodically avoid all the cameras when disposing of his possessions? To whom did he send letters on June 13th, and why have they not responded?
Another such case is that of 'Lyle Stevik', the twenty-something man who hanged himself (it's believed anyway) in a cheap motel in Amanda Park, Washington in 2001, a few days after the 11 September terrorist attacks. Was he involved in the plot? Depressed by the death of a friend or lover? Fearful of the beginning of a major war? Whatever his real identify was (Lyle Stevik wasn't his name, it appears to have been taken from a novel by Joyce Carol Oates) has still never been found.
A mysterious corpse is a traditional opening for a mystery novel, and AITAS can work within the mystery genre as easily as any other. Perhaps the PCs stumble over such a body, and become embroiled in the investigation (as witnesses and, inevitable after they start to meddle, suspects). An Earthbound game, set in the modern-day or elsewhen, could easily be started by such a find with a disparate group of people connected only by being the bystanders who find the mysterious body.
- And possibly removing one or two items of evidence to assist them and hinder the official investigation.
As they investigate, or even if they don't, there are further strange happenings. A sensation of being watched, enquiries about them by unidentified strangers, threats and more. Just what have they got themselves into?
Where do these people come from? Are they merely a few desperate humans who want to die quietly and anonymously? If so creating a mystery is a poor choice. Such mysteries fascinate people and rumble on for decades. Or are there greater mysteries involved? There's been speculation that 'Taman Shud' was a time traveller by authors such as Kerry Greenwood; in the Whoniverse this might be true. He could have been an agent from the future (or a parallel Earth) killed by an enemy using a weapon or toxin unknown to present-day (or 1948) science.
Comments? Ideas? Suggestions?
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Post by starkllr on Jun 13, 2016 17:01:22 GMT
Interesting seeds here.
If you use this sort of plot in a present-day or near-future setting, it's likely the players will jump to the idea of a government conspiracy or cover-up. Given the ubiquity of surveillance cameras, databases and other monitoring, you'd almost have to have serious inside help (or someone erasing evidence after the fact) to leave a totally unidentifiable corpse with no video footage of the victim.
Of course, that's not REALLY true, but it definitely feels like it is. Especially if your players are fans of shows like CSI or Cold Case (or whatever the British equivalents are).
Setting it in the farther future, especially aboard a starship or space station where there really is constant AI surveillance of the whole facility, it would definitely have to be an inside job, with the connivance (or reprogramming) of the computers that run the place. And then your plot is: how did someone hack the unhackable, invulnerable, totally perfect central computer? And what does that mean, since everyone on the ship/station is totally dependent on said computer? From there you can veer into "Robots of Death" territory, or you can put a Whovian spin on "2001."
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Post by Catsmate on May 20, 2021 11:49:13 GMT
As the Somerton Man is being exhumed perhaps it's time to look at the Norwegian counterpart, Isdal Woman.
It started with the end; in the morning of 29NOV1970, a man and his two young daughters were hiking in the foothills of Ulriken, the tallest of the seven mounts that surround the Norwegian city of Bergenm. In the area, known as Isdalen ("Ice Valley") they find a corpse.
- To start the story on a suitable note, the valley is also known as "Death Valley" to many of the local inhabitants. It was a popular site for suicides in medieval times and has seen more recent accidental deaths, mainly of hikers lost in the sudden fogs.
The body was sprawled across a cluster of rocks, arms extended in what's called the "boxer" position (or 'Pugilistic Posture' in textbooks); this is fairly typical of bodies that have been burnt. There was a strong lingering smell of burned flesh.
- In a fire the human body takes this characteristic posture because fire makes the muscles shrink and hence the joints to flex. If a body is found after a fire and not in this pose it is indicative of pre-burning skeletal damage.
The trio returned to town to notify the authorities.
The police in Bergen responded quickly and examined the scene. The was no sign of a campfire and while the front of the body was badly burned, including the face and most of the hair, there was no burn damage to the back. The tissue damage was severe and left little sign of what the woman looked like alive.
Found near the body were boots and clothes, two plastic water bottles, an St. Hallvard bottle (a potent herbal liqueur ), an empty plastic passport container, an umbrella, a purse, a matchbox, a dozen sleeping pills, a watch, two earrings, and a ring. Around the body were the remains of a substantial amount of burned paper, while beneath it was the remains of a fur hat (found to have traces of petrol on it). All identifying marks and labels on the recovered items were missing, something that was unlikely to have happened naturally. There is no clue as to when she died, or indeed how.
The objects found by the body appeared to police to have been deliberately placed there, leading to speculation about some sort of ceremony. The woman's identity was undetermined (and never has been) and the police appealed for information. The 'Isdal Woman' (or case 134/70) was about 164cm (5' 4.5") tall, had long "brownish-black" hair in a ponytail tied with a blue and white print ribbon, a small round face, brown eyes, and small ears. She appeared to be between 25 and 40 years old.
Over the nest three days several clues are were found. First it's discovered that the woman deposited two suitcases at the railway station in Bergen. Examination of them unearthed:
- five 100 Deutsche Mark notes (concealed in the lining of one)
- assorted clothing, shoes, wigs, cosmetics and eczema cream
- 135 Norwegian kroner along with a quantity of Belgian, British and Swiss coins
- various maps and travel timetables
- a pair of glasses with non-prescription lenses
- sunglasses, which bore partial fingerprints which matched those recovered from the body
- a notepad with entries in some sort of code
All these items were cleared of identifying marks.
Secondly, the post-mortem examination determined that the woman had died from carbon monoxide poisoning, while incapacitated by a borderline lethal dose of phenobarbital. Soot in her lungs indicated she was alive as she burned. Bruising on her neck was found, but it's cause was not determined; it could have been a fall or a blow. Further analysis of stomach contents and blood indicated that she had consumed between 50 and 70 'Fenemal' brand phenobarbital sleeping pills. These were the same type found by the body. She bore extensive, unusual, and unidentifiable, gold-filling dental work of a type not performed in Norway.
It was found that the last time the woman was seen alive was on the morning of 23NOV, when she checked out of room 407 of the Hotel Hordaheimen (a middle of the range hotel on C. Sundts gate in central Bergen). Staff there conformed her description and stated that she kept mainly to her room and seemed to be on guard1. When she checked out the woman paid her bill in cash and requested a taxi. After that nothing is known.
The coded entries in the woman's notepad were deciphered quite easily and appeared to be a travel log. Confirmation of her itinerary showed visits to Oslo, Trondheim, Stavanger and Paris. Perhaps unsurprisingly given the mystery of her death, the check-in details she gave were varied; she used at least eight fake passports in different names (though all Belgian). Likewise the details she provided as to her birthday and occupation varied from place to place. The forms showed fluency in written French and German. She's stayed in several hotels in Bergen It was also found that the woman had stayed at several hotels in Bergen, and visited the city at least once before that November. In one hotel a witness overheard the woman talking to an unidentified man in German; there she claimed to be an antiquities dealer. Other witnesses had her speaking Flemish and English. On several occasions she was noted to be wearing a wig. Her identities included2: - Genevieve Lancier, from Louvain: stayed in the Viking Hotel in Oslo, 21-24MAR1970.
- Claudia Tielt, from Brussels: stayed in the Hotel Bristol in Bergen, 24-25MAR1970 also the Hotel Skandia in Bergen,25MAR to 01APR.
- Claudia Nielsen, from Ghent: stayed in KNA-Hotellet IN Stavanger,29-30OCT
- Alexia Zarne-Merchez, from Ljubljana: stayed in the Neptun Hotel in Bergen, 30OCT to 05NOV
- Vera Jarle, from Antwerp: stayed in the Hotel Bristol in Trondheim, 06 to 08NOVr
- Fenella Lorch, stayed in the St Svithun Hotel in Stavanger, 09 to 18 NOV
- Ms Leenhouwfr, stayed in the Hotel Rosenkrantz in Bergen from 18 to 19NOV
- Elisabeth Leenhouwfr, from Ostend, stayed in the Hotel Hordaheimen in Bergen, 19-23NOV
Eventually the case petered out with the death ruled a suicide and she was buried on 05FEB1971 in an unmarked grave in the Møllendal graveyard in Bergen, attended only by members of the Bergen police.
This verdict was widely disbelieved. 'Isdal Woman' was seen in conjunction with German naval officers, witnessed a Penguin missile test and was widely believed to be a spy (both the USSR and Israel had agents in town at the time, and probably other nations too). There's the question of her possession of at least nine false passports of sufficient quality to fool hotel staff. Subsequently she's appeared in several books.
In the fifty years after the body was found science has improved. We can now be reasonably sure that the woman was around forty (born around 1930, ±5 years) in or near Nuremberg in Germany. She;s lived in wither France or the Franco–Germany border area as a child. She was probably educated in France or a French-influenced country (such as Belgium). Her dental work could have been done in Central or parts of Southern Europe, South America or SE Asia.
Who she is, what she was doing and how and why she died remain a mystery.
BBC article, with photographs of the objects found by the body. The Isdalen mystery Medium piece
Ideas? Suggestions? Comments?
1. Though there's no guarantee this was not a belief formed later, after learning of her death.
2. More here.
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Post by Catsmate on May 29, 2021 11:15:42 GMT
Update: I should have mentioned that 'Neil Dovestones' was identified in 2017 as 67-year-old David Lytton.
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Post by Catsmate on Jul 27, 2022 20:08:20 GMT
Another update: 'Somerton Man' may have been identified, though the theorized identification doesn't explain many of the oddities associated with the case.
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Post by soultaker666212 on Jul 27, 2022 20:53:56 GMT
Oh I would love to talk about this mysterious body. The cases is called Who Put Bella in the Wych Elm? To begin four boys (you can find their names online) were poaching/bird-nesting looking for eggs during the year 1943 in Hagley Woods near Wychbury Hill when they came across a large wych elm tree. One of the boys climbed the tree thinking it had good eggs inside of it realising the trunk was hollow and searched inside. Instead of eggs, he found human hair, teeth and later a skull. The boys decided to leave the area and not tell anyone as they were illegally on the land however one of them did confess to his parents about the finding. A hand was found nearby to the tree later on.
Graffiti of the incident appeared around the West Midlands, the first being in 1944 which appeared on a wall on Upper Dean Street, Birmingham which said "who put bella down the wych elm-Hagley Wood." Since at least the 70s more graffiti related to the incident has been found most famously on the Wychbury Obelisk near to where the body was discovered and read "Who put Bella in the Wych Elm?"
There are a few theories on who bella was and who murdered her. Theory 1 says that one possible victim was a prostitute named Bella who worked on Hagley Road and went missing 3 years prior to 1944
Theory 2 believes that it was a man named Jack Mossop as he had apparently confessed to his family that he and a Dutchman called van Ralt had put her in the tree after drinking at a pub nearby, specifically the Lyttleton Arms. This claim was made in 1953 by Jack's wife Una Mossop. Both men claimed that the woman was drunk that night and they put her in the tree so she would wake up in there and learn from her errors of her ways of her getting drunk. Jack was later confirmed into Stafford mental hospital after he had reoccurring dreams of a woman staring at him from within a tree, it was in Stafford mental hospital where he died in 1943 shortly before the body was discovered.
Theory 3 comes from an MI5 declassified file about Josef Jakobs- The Last man to be put to death in the tower of London on August 15th 1941. He was an agent of the Abwehr and parachuted into Cambridgeshire but broke his ankle and later arrested by the Home Guard. Apparently they found a photo of his supposed lover, a cabaret singer and actress named Clara Bauerle. Jakobs said she was a trained spy and that, had he made contact, she might have been sent over to England after him. However, no evidence suggests Clara did parachute over to England and that the body was hers as Bella was 5ft and Clara was around 6ft tall. It was later found Clara died in Berlin on 16th December 1942.
Theory 4 comes from Margert Murray, an anthropologist and archaeologist and UCL in 1945. She proposed the idea that Bella was a victim of witchcraft, specifically the Hand of Glory ritual as one of her hands were severed which does align with the Hand of Glory ritual. Her idea excited the local press and lead investigators to see if there was a connection between this murder and Charles Walton in nearby Lower Quinton, who also died in a ritualistic fashion.
Theory 5 claims that Bella was a Dutchwoman named Clarabella Dronkers, who was murdered by a German spy ring consisting of a British Officer, a Dutchman and a music hall artist for "knowing too much" but records are unable to support this story.
Now I will ask, what is the Whoniverse explanation for this murder, shapeshifting Rutan or Zygon murdering the person to make it easier to blend in? Sentient predator trees that take a while to devour their victims? Remnant of an alien abduction and left the evidence hidden?
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Post by Catsmate on Jul 27, 2022 21:37:12 GMT
Oh I would love to talk about this mysterious body. The cases is called Who Put Bella in the Wych Elm? To begin four boys (you can find their names online) were poaching/bird-nesting looking for eggs during the year 1943 in Hagley Woods near Wychbury Hill when they came across a large wych elm tree. One of the boys climbed the tree thinking it had good eggs inside of it realising the trunk was hollow and searched inside. Instead of eggs, he found human hair, teeth and later a skull. The boys decided to leave the area and not tell anyone as they were illegally on the land however one of them did confess to his parents about the finding. A hand was found nearby to the tree later on. Graffiti of the incident appeared around the West Midlands, the first being in 1944 which appeared on a wall on Upper Dean Street, Birmingham which said "who put bella down the wych elm-Hagley Wood." Since at least the 70s more graffiti related to the incident has been found most famously on the Wychbury Obelisk near to where the body was discovered and read "Who put Bella in the Wych Elm?" There are a few theories on who bella was and who murdered her. Theory 1 says that one possible victim was a prostitute named Bella who worked on Hagley Road and went missing 3 years prior to 1944 Theory 2 believes that it was a man named Jack Mossop as he had apparently confessed to his family that he and a Dutchman called van Ralt had put her in the tree after drinking at a pub nearby, specifically the Lyttleton Arms. This claim was made in 1953 by Jack's wife Una Mossop. Both men claimed that the woman was drunk that night and they put her in the tree so she would wake up in there and learn from her errors of her ways of her getting drunk. Jack was later confirmed into Stafford mental hospital after he had reoccurring dreams of a woman staring at him from within a tree, it was in Stafford mental hospital where he died in 1943 shortly before the body was discovered. Theory 3 comes from an MI5 declassified file about Josef Jakobs- The Last man to be put to death in the tower of London on August 15th 1941. He was an agent of the Abwehr and parachuted into Cambridgeshire but broke his ankle and later arrested by the Home Guard. Apparently they found a photo of his supposed lover, a cabaret singer and actress named Clara Bauerle. Jakobs said she was a trained spy and that, had he made contact, she might have been sent over to England after him. However, no evidence suggests Clara did parachute over to England and that the body was hers as Bella was 5ft and Clara was around 6ft tall. It was later found Clara died in Berlin on 16th December 1942. Theory 4 comes from Margert Murray, an anthropologist and archaeologist and UCL in 1945. She proposed the idea that Bella was a victim of witchcraft, specifically the Hand of Glory ritual as one of her hands were severed which does align with the Hand of Glory ritual. Her idea excited the local press and lead investigators to see if there was a connection between this murder and Charles Walton in nearby Lower Quinton, who also died in a ritualistic fashion. Theory 5 claims that Bella was a Dutchwoman named Clarabella Dronkers, who was murdered by a German spy ring consisting of a British Officer, a Dutchman and a music hall artist for "knowing too much" but records are unable to support this story. Now I will ask, what is the Whoniverse explanation for this murder, shapeshifting Rutan or Zygon murdering the person to make it easier to blend in? Sentient predator trees that take a while to devour their victims? Remnant of an alien abduction and left the evidence hidden? Oh very nice, an excellent little oddity!
Obviously I'd go for option four, really who could resist the opportunity to drop Dr. Margaret Murray1 into a scenario? OK she'd be eighty, but she was excavating at Petra a few years earlier and lecturing into '42, and kept active well into her nineties... Also she was involved with the military during the war2, engaged in mysterious 'research' at Cambridge and Ely (that was never published3) and had connections with UCL, which I have as the scientific arm of Torchwood.
Now, if only I could blend in the KKK I'd have the whole set, but she appears (oddly) to have had no connections to Hargrave. Very curious that....
So I'd go with a human, either sacrificed by believers or taken by some extra-dimensional being, possibly summoned by someone, or perhaps by some Sinister Experiments. My notes are a little lacking on suitable government installations in Worcestershire for meddling with Things Man Was Not Meant To Meddle With, though the Drakelow Tunnels4 are one possibility.
1. Who, as anyone who's interested in witchcraft or anthropology, or who's played Call of Cthulhu, knows was the author of The Witch-Cult in Western Europe and The God of the Witches. OK they're obsolete, and almost certainly completely wrong, but in the Whoniverse she may have been more correct in her ideas.
2. Obviously 'educating the troops' was a cover for something else.
3. Unusual for a scholar.
4. Better known during the Cold War period when they were converted into one of the 'Continuity of Government' bunkers. In WW2 the complex was built as a Shadow Factory.
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Post by soultaker666212 on Jul 27, 2022 21:44:20 GMT
Oh I would love to talk about this mysterious body. The cases is called Who Put Bella in the Wych Elm? To begin four boys (you can find their names online) were poaching/bird-nesting looking for eggs during the year 1943 in Hagley Woods near Wychbury Hill when they came across a large wych elm tree. One of the boys climbed the tree thinking it had good eggs inside of it realising the trunk was hollow and searched inside. Instead of eggs, he found human hair, teeth and later a skull. The boys decided to leave the area and not tell anyone as they were illegally on the land however one of them did confess to his parents about the finding. A hand was found nearby to the tree later on. Graffiti of the incident appeared around the West Midlands, the first being in 1944 which appeared on a wall on Upper Dean Street, Birmingham which said "who put bella down the wych elm-Hagley Wood." Since at least the 70s more graffiti related to the incident has been found most famously on the Wychbury Obelisk near to where the body was discovered and read "Who put Bella in the Wych Elm?" There are a few theories on who bella was and who murdered her. Theory 1 says that one possible victim was a prostitute named Bella who worked on Hagley Road and went missing 3 years prior to 1944 Theory 2 believes that it was a man named Jack Mossop as he had apparently confessed to his family that he and a Dutchman called van Ralt had put her in the tree after drinking at a pub nearby, specifically the Lyttleton Arms. This claim was made in 1953 by Jack's wife Una Mossop. Both men claimed that the woman was drunk that night and they put her in the tree so she would wake up in there and learn from her errors of her ways of her getting drunk. Jack was later confirmed into Stafford mental hospital after he had reoccurring dreams of a woman staring at him from within a tree, it was in Stafford mental hospital where he died in 1943 shortly before the body was discovered. Theory 3 comes from an MI5 declassified file about Josef Jakobs- The Last man to be put to death in the tower of London on August 15th 1941. He was an agent of the Abwehr and parachuted into Cambridgeshire but broke his ankle and later arrested by the Home Guard. Apparently they found a photo of his supposed lover, a cabaret singer and actress named Clara Bauerle. Jakobs said she was a trained spy and that, had he made contact, she might have been sent over to England after him. However, no evidence suggests Clara did parachute over to England and that the body was hers as Bella was 5ft and Clara was around 6ft tall. It was later found Clara died in Berlin on 16th December 1942. Theory 4 comes from Margert Murray, an anthropologist and archaeologist and UCL in 1945. She proposed the idea that Bella was a victim of witchcraft, specifically the Hand of Glory ritual as one of her hands were severed which does align with the Hand of Glory ritual. Her idea excited the local press and lead investigators to see if there was a connection between this murder and Charles Walton in nearby Lower Quinton, who also died in a ritualistic fashion. Theory 5 claims that Bella was a Dutchwoman named Clarabella Dronkers, who was murdered by a German spy ring consisting of a British Officer, a Dutchman and a music hall artist for "knowing too much" but records are unable to support this story. Now I will ask, what is the Whoniverse explanation for this murder, shapeshifting Rutan or Zygon murdering the person to make it easier to blend in? Sentient predator trees that take a while to devour their victims? Remnant of an alien abduction and left the evidence hidden? Oh very nice, an excellent little oddity!
Obviously I'd go for option four, really who could resist the opportunity to drop Dr. Margaret Murray1 into a scenario? OK she'd be eighty, but she was excavating at Petra a few years earlier and lecturing into '42, and kept active well into her nineties... Also she was involved with the military during the war2, engaged in mysterious 'research' at Cambridge and Ely (that was never published3) and had connections with UCL, which I have as the scientific arm of Torchwood.
Now, if only I could blend in the KKK I'd have the whole set, but she appears (oddly) to have had no connections to Hargrave. Very curious that....
So I'd go with a human, either sacrificed by believers or taken by some extra-dimensional being, possibly summoned by someone, or perhaps by some Sinister Experiments. My notes are a little lacking on suitable government installations in Worcestershire for meddling with Things Man Was Not Meant To Meddle With, though the Drakelow Tunnels4 are one possibility.
1. Who, as anyone who's interested in witchcraft or anthropology, or who's played Call of Cthulhu, knows was the author of The Witch-Cult in Western Europe and The God of the Witches. OK they're obsolete, and almost certainly completely wrong, but in the Whoniverse she may have been more correct in her ideas.
2. Obviously 'educating the troops' was a cover for something else.
3. Unusual for a scholar.
4. Better known during the Cold War period when they were converted into one of the 'Continuity of Government' bunkers. In WW2 the complex was built as a Shadow Factory.
Option four does seem the most fun one there. Yeah I know the Drakelow tunnels would love to visit them, all this is local to me btw I have been to the Wychbury Obelisk and live near the woods where Bella was found so that's how I know about it. Drakelow tunnels could be a good location for a UNIT or Torchwood base though and they could be investigating it as well with the aid of Margert Murray. She would be an interesting character in other scenarios as well actually. Maybe this is witchcraft but the works of the carrionites, the Doctor did have an encounter with Carrionites within the West Midlands before though specifically the Sixth Doctor so I could see that working here as well.
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Post by soultaker666212 on Aug 24, 2022 15:28:26 GMT
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Post by Catsmate on Aug 24, 2022 17:33:38 GMT
Ah, Adamski. I mentioned him in the Cragg Valley coiners thread.
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Post by soultaker666212 on Aug 24, 2022 22:06:42 GMT
Ah, Adamski. I mentioned him in the Cragg Valley coiners thread. Ahh okay well thought id bring it up anyways.
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Post by Catsmate on Aug 25, 2022 9:55:18 GMT
Ah, Adamski. I mentioned him in the Cragg Valley coiners thread. Ahh okay well thought id bring it up anyways. No problem, it's an interestingly odd case. Including the PC who also claimed to see a UFO.
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