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Post by zebaroth on Mar 31, 2016 23:02:58 GMT
one of the companions find an old map that shows the points that the time doors are a group of of dwarfs steal the tardis and the doctor and hos companions must use the map to track them this idea is based on the 1980's fantasy movie time bandits ( one of my top 5 favorite movies ) so what do you think what could transpire Ideas the map is an artifact of the ancient time lords. the age of legends was time locked by the time lords to keep evil trapped. the map is unpredictable as when and where you end up. the white guarding is trying to get the map as is the black guarding. the daleks are using a dardis to chase the doctor so they can get the map. the doctor facing evil in the final show down. who gets the map in the end dose the doctor hang it on the wall in his study in the tardis. or dose the the white guarding take it the doctor might take to galfrye and give it to the time lords waht could be the key word for the arch this idea would take at lest a season to run
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Post by zebaroth on Apr 1, 2016 1:47:15 GMT
an add on the map dose not go by the rules of time so the doctor would cross his timeline mabye all of them show up to help at the end also to add a since of ungancy to the story some of the doors only open at 50 to 100 years
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Post by Catsmate on Apr 1, 2016 10:51:43 GMT
I like it. Time Bandits was an excellent film that (so far) hasn't been ruined by an inferior remake. Overall your idea sounds a bit like the old UK TV series Into the Labyrinth, which had some Who elements (they series had scriptwriters in common). With the map (presumably some sort of flexible computer system rather than mere parchment?) as both the MacGuffin, in place of the Scarabeus/Nidus, and transport (in place of Rothgo's magic). Or the old Timelords RPG (before it was ruined) which had PCs bouncing between times with little control.
Could tie-in with the cracks in space-time that have appeared in recent seasons; the map is a sensor/computer/display for information on the cracks. Perhaps incorporating TARDIS-like dimensional technology so that it's far more than it seems, or some other technobabble. I like "tachyonic cybernetics" myself. Maybe as the party become more accustomed to the map (or more useful to it's plans) they can access more features, such as a database of information about places and people. That'd be useful in providing clues and pointing them in the right direction. Or a local scanner function (think Marauders Map).
As with most TARDIS alternatives (the map is a conveyor/device in the system I suggested before) there are a few things to think about. 1. Does the map transport the party (like the matrix from Timelords or the 'remote' from Sliders) or does it just show where natural portals can be found? If so the PCs will be more limited in their options (no quick getaways) and have little control over their travels. A bit like the TV series Tripping. If you're using natural cracks the map might still be necessary to 'open' them sufficient to pass though, or to use them safely.
2. Language. Does the map act like the TARDIS's 'translation circuit'? If so, problem solved. If not how will they communicate with the locals?
3. Delay between arrival and departure. Does the map need to 'recharge', or the PCs find the next portal? If so, roughly how long is the delay.
4. How much can be transported? Can the PCs acquire a vehicle1 and use the map to move it? If you're using portals or cracks in space-time, are the reliably large enough for a vehicle?
5. Disease. Messing about in history (especially the future or parallel Earths) could expose the PCs to pathogens. Will this be an issue? Maybe an infrequent plot point (like Terminus, The Ark or For The World Is Hollow And I Have Touched The Sky).
5. Is there a base of operations available to the PCs? Somewhere they can (mostly) reliably return to for R&R. The Inn Between the Worlds, or a seemingly normal US diner with surprisingly knowledgeable staff and patrons. Perhaps they keep finding a oddly similar establishment in different periods... Or maybe it's a mundane place, like a seemingly deserted apartment (with food, beds and running water!) or a (more-or-less) ordinary cafe with tolerant staff where they can eat, plan and research (free WiFi!).
- Maybe a couple of superphones are acquired early on? What's the penalty to Research using a small screen and keyboard anyway...
You could obfuscate the entire nature of the campaign; both the PCs and the players initially don't know it's a Who game. Perhaps the map is thought to be magic rather than technological in nature...
1 In our long running Timelords campaign we acquired a 4x4 and mounted the matrix in it, this was replaced by a wheeled APC and (briefly) a WW1 German tank.
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Post by zebaroth on Apr 1, 2016 21:58:49 GMT
i like how you think catsmste some things here i had not thourght of there could be some sliders elmants to it suche as the map telles when and where the door shows up and i would asume the map would have a translation efffect after all the boy lived with aganemnor for a few days and seamed to understand him.
also haveing the players not know it is doctor who is good a fake book cover could hide the real book and with my skill at pohtoplasty makeing one would be easy and character sheets can be made the same way. as for waht you can take with you in a time Door/crack i it would depend on the door/crack some could be big enough for a vehicle but others might not be. as for Disease that is a plot hook that could make for a more interesting game and the could have a base of orptions maybe lamp post at the end of time like in chorno trigger
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Post by Stormcrow on Apr 1, 2016 22:35:21 GMT
I always wanted to know how to read the map.
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Post by zebaroth on Apr 1, 2016 23:13:55 GMT
I always wanted to know how to read the map. i have yet to figuer out how you read it but i think i know where evil is was on it i have marked in red i think that is the age of legends
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Post by Catsmate on Apr 2, 2016 9:52:16 GMT
I always wanted to know how to read the map. Maybe the map reads you...i like how you think catsmste some things here i had not thourght of there could be some sliders elmants to it suche as the map telles when and where the door shows up and i would asume the map would have a translation efffect after all the boy lived with aganemnor for a few days and seamed to understand him. also haveing the players not know it is doctor who is good a fake book cover could hide the real book and with my skill at pohtoplasty makeing one would be easy and character sheets can be made the same way. as for waht you can take with you in a time Door/crack i it would depend on the door/crack some could be big enough for a vehicle but others might not be. as for Disease that is a plot hook that could make for a more interesting game and the could have a base of orptions maybe lamp post at the end of time like in chorno trigger Thanks. I'd never heard of Chrono Trigger but the End of Time looks like a suitable base for the PCs to return to, and store stuff.
Disease is a useful plot hook; useful if a player has to miss a session, just infect them with something so their character isn't available. Like being knocked unconscious in classic Who enabled an actor to have a holiday.
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Post by Stormcrow on Apr 2, 2016 12:38:21 GMT
I always wanted to know how to read the map. i have yet to figuer out how you read it but i think i know where evil is was on it i have marked in red i think that is the age of legends Where can I get that particular image without the red line?
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Post by Catsmate on Apr 2, 2016 13:02:46 GMT
i have yet to figuer out how you read it but i think i know where evil is was on it i have marked in red i think that is the age of legends Where can I get that particular image without the red line? The original attachment doesn't have it. There's a cleaner image here.
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Post by Stormcrow on Apr 2, 2016 17:40:33 GMT
Thanks!
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Post by zebaroth on Apr 2, 2016 22:43:55 GMT
I always wanted to know how to read the map. Maybe the map reads you...i like how you think catsmste some things here i had not thourght of there could be some sliders elmants to it suche as the map telles when and where the door shows up and i would asume the map would have a translation efffect after all the boy lived with aganemnor for a few days and seamed to understand him. also haveing the players not know it is doctor who is good a fake book cover could hide the real book and with my skill at pohtoplasty makeing one would be easy and character sheets can be made the same way. as for waht you can take with you in a time Door/crack i it would depend on the door/crack some could be big enough for a vehicle but others might not be. as for Disease that is a plot hook that could make for a more interesting game and the could have a base of orptions maybe lamp post at the end of time like in chorno trigger Thanks. I'd never heard of Chrono Trigger but the End of Time looks like a suitable base for the PCs to return to, and store stuff.
Disease is a useful plot hook; useful if a player has to miss a session, just infect them with something so their character isn't available. Like being knocked unconscious in classic Who enabled an actor to have a holiday.
yes Disease would be good for that. and chorno tirger is a good game also there is a sequel Chorno Cross that deals with side ways time travel they are both good games have them both
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Post by zebaroth on Apr 2, 2016 22:52:21 GMT
there are tones of that mapper the 1st post in it has the oregnlo version interestingly you can print it at fed ex get some duck tape and put it on the back to give it some stiffness and make it old is it holds the creases in the paper the one you posted catsmate is the one i had printed up and did the duck tape with also i like the idea the map reads you it takes you not where you want but where you are needed
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Post by Catsmate on Apr 3, 2016 9:43:46 GMT
there are tones of that mapper the 1st post in it has the oregnlo version interestingly you can print it at fed ex get some duck tape and put it on the back to give it some stiffness and make it old is it holds the creases in the paper the one you posted catsmate is the one i had printed up and did the duck tape with also i like the idea the map reads you it takes you not where you want but where you are needed Well if the 'map' is a product of Gallifreyan or precursor technology it could be *far* more than it appears. Like a TARDIS (or a matrix in Timelords) it could just be an interface between a pocket universe and our reality. Complete with a malign (or curious, or experimental or *different*) AI or an imprisoned being of some sort. Perhaps, like the Moiralith, it's an artefact from the universe *before* this one and simply isn't bound by the rules of this one. Or it could be (to borrow from Adams), the extrusion into our reality of a hyper intelligent pan-dimensional creature...
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Post by zebaroth on Apr 3, 2016 20:56:22 GMT
there are tones of that mapper the 1st post in it has the oregnlo version interestingly you can print it at fed ex get some duck tape and put it on the back to give it some stiffness and make it old is it holds the creases in the paper the one you posted catsmate is the one i had printed up and did the duck tape with also i like the idea the map reads you it takes you not where you want but where you are needed Well if the 'map' is a product of Gallifreyan or precursor technology it could be *far* more than it appears. Like a TARDIS (or a matrix in Timelords) it could just be an interface between a pocket universe and our reality. Complete with a malign (or curious, or experimental or *different*) AI or an imprisoned being of some sort. Perhaps, like the Moiralith, it's an artefact from the universe *before* this one and simply isn't bound by the rules of this one. Or it could be (to borrow from Adams), the extrusion into our reality of a hyper intelligent pan-dimensional creature... an artefact from the universe *before* this one and simply isn't bound by the rules of this one. is good would work well with my ideas of realty when one ends things get left behind
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Post by Catsmate on Apr 4, 2016 9:41:26 GMT
Well if the 'map' is a product of Gallifreyan or precursor technology it could be *far* more than it appears. Like a TARDIS (or a matrix in Timelords) it could just be an interface between a pocket universe and our reality. Complete with a malign (or curious, or experimental or *different*) AI or an imprisoned being of some sort. Perhaps, like the Moiralith, it's an artefact from the universe *before* this one and simply isn't bound by the rules of this one. Or it could be (to borrow from Adams), the extrusion into our reality of a hyper intelligent pan-dimensional creature... an artefact from the universe *before* this one and simply isn't bound by the rules of this one. is good would work well with my ideas of realty when one ends things get left behind Yeah, it was a throw-away reference in the novelisation of Terminus, inspired by the Pulsating Steady State model of creation I believe, that was later used in some of the EU novels. I rather like it. Some of the EU novels (e.g. Millennial Rites, White Darkness, Divided Loyalties and Twilight of the Gods) postulate that 'beings' survived the previous universe's destruction (which they may have caused) by side-stepping into another universe that was slightly out-of-sync, and re-emerging in the Whoniverse; they may, or may not, be Lovecraft's Great Old Ones, Elder Gods and Outer Gods. Likewise they may have warred with Rassilon and the early Gallifreyans and may be linked to the Great Vampires. Due to the differences in physical laws between the universes they're 'incompatible' with this universe, which means they have both enormous power and odd weaknesses.
Overall they're a good way to add supernatural, weird and Lovecraftian elements into the Whoniverse while keeping the mostly scientific feel.
The Moiralith was originally from a different time travel game but with a similar premise; a masterpiece of probabilistic tachyonic cybernetics small enough to fit in a humanoid hand that collects and stores data, including data it would acquire in the future, and extrapolates from it. A MacGuffin that some would pulverise inhabited planets and sift their dust for even a chance of gaining control of.
The map could be something similar; perhaps part of someone's preparations for surviving the end of their universe, capable of mapping the bubbles in the quantum foam that underlies reality and extrapolating from this where weakpoints in space-time exist. I wonder if it's creator survived, and is looking for it?
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Post by Marnal on Apr 4, 2016 17:30:02 GMT
It could quite nicely tie in with the Labyrinth described in the Faction Paradox Book of the War. that was a complex network of secret stable, long term, time corridors that connected various time zones together. It was built by the early Time Lords before TARDIS tech was developed.
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Post by Catsmate on Apr 4, 2016 18:44:19 GMT
It could quite nicely tie in with the Labyrinth described in the Faction Paradox Book of the War. that was a complex network of secret stable, long term, time corridors that connected various time zones together. It was built by the early Time Lords before TARDIS tech was developed. Ah, a network of abandoned (and supposedly decommissioned?) time corridors that could be stumbled upon... Interesting. I wonder was the corridor used by Perry Closed and the Circle one of them?
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Post by zebaroth on Apr 5, 2016 0:34:11 GMT
an artefact from the universe *before* this one and simply isn't bound by the rules of this one. is good would work well with my ideas of realty when one ends things get left behind Yeah, it was a throw-away reference in the novelisation of Terminus, inspired by the Pulsating Steady State model of creation I believe, that was later used in some of the EU novels. I rather like it. Some of the EU novels (e.g. Millennial Rites, White Darkness, Divided Loyalties and Twilight of the Gods) postulate that 'beings' survived the previous universe's destruction (which they may have caused) by side-stepping into another universe that was slightly out-of-sync, and re-emerging in the Whoniverse; they may, or may not, be Lovecraft's Great Old Ones, Elder Gods and Outer Gods. Likewise they may have warred with Rassilon and the early Gallifreyans and may be linked to the Great Vampires. Due to the differences in physical laws between the universes they're 'incompatible' with this universe, which means they have both enormous power and odd weaknesses.
Overall they're a good way to add supernatural, weird and Lovecraftian elements into the Whoniverse while keeping the mostly scientific feel.
The Moiralith was originally from a different time travel game but with a similar premise; a masterpiece of probabilistic tachyonic cybernetics small enough to fit in a humanoid hand that collects and stores data, including data it would acquire in the future, and extrapolates from it. A MacGuffin that some would pulverise inhabited planets and sift their dust for even a chance of gaining control of.
The map could be something similar; perhaps part of someone's preparations for surviving the end of their universe, capable of mapping the bubbles in the quantum foam that underlies reality and extrapolating from this where weakpoints in space-time exist. I wonder if it's creator survived, and is looking for it?
cool i use the same idea things that are left over items from the previous worlds and multiverses in my personal writings one item is giant soul sucking orb that is stentent and the god of a race that lives between the worlds
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Post by Marnal on Apr 5, 2016 1:32:06 GMT
Catsmate said... "I wonder was the corridor used by Perry Closed and the Circle one of them?"
I'm not up on my Faction Paradox enough to know who Perry Closed is.
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Post by zebaroth on Apr 5, 2016 3:16:33 GMT
Catsmate said... "I wonder was the corridor used by Perry Closed and the Circle one of them?" I'm not up on my Faction Paradox enough to know who Perry Closed is. Faction Paradox is not that well known to me i know of it and that is about it
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Post by zebaroth on Apr 5, 2016 3:25:15 GMT
"You could obfuscate the entire nature of the campaign; both the PCs and the players initially don't know it's a Who game. Perhaps the map is thought to be magic rather than technological in nature..." catsmate
being good with GIMP ( a free open source Photoshop like programe )i have made a fake cover for a time bandits game could fool the players until Whooooorp whoooorp whoooorp sound and out comes the doctor i think some of the pepole i know would kill me for this one well one might he dose not like doctor who
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Post by Catsmate on Apr 5, 2016 9:17:30 GMT
Catsmate said... "I wonder was the corridor used by Perry Closed and the Circle one of them?" I'm not up on my Faction Paradox enough to know who Perry Closed is. He's not part of Faction Paradox but from The English Way of Death (RefGuide, Wiki) originally a BBC Missing Adventure novel and later a Big Finish audioplay. Percy was the leader of a small group of time travellers (the Circle) from an unspecified future era (25th century?) who had gone into voluntary exile/retirement in the past, 1930s England to be exact. He worked for an unspecified Agency who'd stumbled over a time corridor of alien construction and used it to provide the service. The time corridor had been discovered by someone else though... One of my favourite stories and one with a lot of potential for adaptions and sequels.
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Post by Catsmate on Apr 5, 2016 9:18:01 GMT
"You could obfuscate the entire nature of the campaign; both the PCs and the players initially don't know it's a Who game. Perhaps the map is thought to be magic rather than technological in nature..." catsmate being good with GIMP ( a free open source Photoshop like programe )i have made a fake cover for a time bandits game could fool the players until Whooooorp whoooorp whoooorp sound and out comes the doctor i think some of the pepole i know would kill me for this one well one might he dose not like doctor who Excellent!
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Post by zebaroth on Apr 7, 2016 5:05:53 GMT
"You could obfuscate the entire nature of the campaign; both the PCs and the players initially don't know it's a Who game. Perhaps the map is thought to be magic rather than technological in nature..." catsmate being good with GIMP ( a free open source Photoshop like programe )i have made a fake cover for a time bandits game could fool the players until Whooooorp whoooorp whoooorp sound and out comes the doctor i think some of the pepole i know would kill me for this one well one might he dose not like doctor who Excellent!
will have to be careful with the fake cover as it could cause a hoxe if it fell in to the wrong hands
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