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Post by Rassilon on Oct 29, 2014 9:38:51 GMT
What did you think?
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Post by Catsmate on Nov 1, 2014 21:02:23 GMT
Better than I'd feared. Actually rather good, though I hope they deal with the gaps in the plot.
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Post by ninjaconor on Nov 1, 2014 21:03:35 GMT
Loved it! Okay, the Missy thing was the obvious answer but the tension and build-up was fantastic. A perfect example of why we need more 2-parters!
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Post by infinitydoctor on Nov 1, 2014 21:10:00 GMT
Thought it was brilliant (and I genuinely didn't see that coming...)
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Post by Escher on Nov 1, 2014 21:14:38 GMT
Wow, nice surprise!
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Post by misterharry on Nov 1, 2014 21:18:08 GMT
Now we're cooking with gas! Really enjoyed that. And although I suspected the identity of Missy from early on, I'm really happy with the reveal. I imagine that for most (non-fan) viewers, it would have been a surprise, and for most fans it's actually a double bluff. Not everyone will like it, but I'm over the moon.
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Post by Escher on Nov 1, 2014 21:20:58 GMT
She's perfect for the role and I need to see *that* kiss again.
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Post by ninjaconor on Nov 1, 2014 21:40:22 GMT
She's perfect for the role and I need to see *that* kiss again. Is it weird to say that her performance reminded me a bit of Roger Delgado? Although if he and Jon Pertwee had done that scene it would have carried very different meaning
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Post by Catsmate on Nov 1, 2014 22:58:41 GMT
She's perfect for the role and I need to see *that* kiss again. Is it weird to say that her performance reminded me a bit of Roger Delgado? Although if he and Jon Pertwee and done that scene it would have carried very different meaning Yep that struck me too, the comparison with Delgado that is.
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Post by Stormcrow on Nov 2, 2014 0:13:18 GMT
Much better pacing on this one than most recent stories, because they were giving the story time to develop.
Notice another Moffat "lie" at the beginning of the episode? "It never happened" is anathema to storytelling.
I never could stand the idea of Time Lord gender-switching. Moffat's been on that one ever since Joanna Lumley.
Aren't Time Lords supposed to recognize each other despite their regenerations?
Still don't see any reason we needed to spoil standalone stories many times for this.
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Post by thereviewer on Nov 2, 2014 2:17:42 GMT
I'll be honest, when Missy said "The Time Lord you left behind," I thought she might be implying that she was The Rani, but now I'm glad that it wasn't because I think doing this after Kate O'Mara would be kinda too soon. Hopefully she'll show up again in the near-future. But yeah, loved this episode, the only thing I wish is that they handled Clara trying to betray The Doctor a bit better. But man oh man, this is a cliffhanger. But it goes to show that if The Master can change his gender, there's still hope for a female Doctor yet!
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Post by Stormcrow on Nov 2, 2014 3:36:44 GMT
there's still hope for a female Doctor yet! Bleah!
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Post by zebaroth on Nov 2, 2014 5:04:21 GMT
The Master has returned
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Post by Rel Fexive on Nov 2, 2014 9:57:10 GMT
I never could stand the idea of Time Lord gender-switching. Moffat's been on that one ever since Joanna Lumley. I think it will happen one day, and I have no problem with that, but probably not any time soon. Aren't Time Lords supposed to recognize each other despite their regenerations? They haven't done that for a while... since Gallifrey went away (the first time) really.
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Post by jennysfan on Nov 2, 2014 10:09:29 GMT
I didn't think they would go with that TBH. Too easy. So I got a minor surprise when they did. The elation was bigger than the disapointment, because they did it very well.
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Post by cigarman on Nov 2, 2014 14:04:33 GMT
there's still hope for a female Doctor yet! Bleah! Agreed. The day The Doctor switches genders is the day I quit watching. "It's about time" for what, exactly. Buggering up the entire dynamic of the show?!? The two female Time lords left behind by The Doctor were Romana and The Rani. The Master was never left behind. He died fighting Rassilon. I'm so sick of Moffat's gender switching bug up his ass. If he wants female Time lords back on the show, bring back Romana from N-space or The Rani. Hell, bring back River Song in an earlier incarnation. The whole Master, now Mistress, idea sucks. Too obvious and too lazy. They should have left the Master rest in piece and bring back a female Time lord from 50 years of show canon.
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Post by jay042 on Nov 2, 2014 16:32:19 GMT
I was somewhat surprised by the Master revelation. I was kind of thinking Miss was was either connected to Mercy Hartigan from "The Next Doctor" or Mister Clever from "Nightmare in Silver"
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Post by stahlman on Nov 2, 2014 17:27:05 GMT
This is all a bit tired isn't it?
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Post by jennysfan on Nov 3, 2014 6:05:59 GMT
Is it too much to ask that people try not to work themselves up over this one thing?
I do admit that I was hoping the Master's next appearance would put him in a more ambiguous light. Still, the Mistress has potential...and I wouldn't put it past them to have made this a previous version of the Master...the end of Frontier in Space or Survival are poetential places where the Master was 'left behind'. Just off the top of my head.
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Post by ninjaconor on Nov 3, 2014 7:40:01 GMT
Agreed. The day The Doctor switches genders is the day I quit watching. "It's about time" for what, exactly. Buggering up the entire dynamic of the show?!? So the Doctor can be any man of any age and personality and that's fine, but the second he has a vagina it's buggering up the dynamic? I don't follow that. The dynamic of the show shifts constantly as it is. As long as it's done for the right actor, and not as some act of tokenism, a female Doctor could be a really interesting direction for the show to take.
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Post by Catsmate on Nov 3, 2014 11:23:11 GMT
I was somewhat surprised by the Master revelation. I was kind of thinking Miss was was either connected to Mercy Hartigan from "The Next Doctor" or Mister Clever from "Nightmare in Silver" That's an interesting idea, Missy certainly had a certain similarity to Mercy Hartigan, in manner and dress. Plus there's the Cybermen. I wonder will a connection be introduced?
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Post by Catsmate on Nov 3, 2014 11:25:05 GMT
Agreed. The day The Doctor switches genders is the day I quit watching. "It's about time" for what, exactly. Buggering up the entire dynamic of the show?!? So the Doctor can be any man of any age and personality and that's fine, but the second he has a vagina it's buggering up the dynamic? I don't follow that. The dynamic of the show shifts constantly as it is. As long as it's done for the right actor, and not as some act of tokenism, a female Doctor could be a really interesting direction for the show to take. Absolutely. And so far at least I prefer Gomez's portrayal of the role that of John Simm.
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Post by jay042 on Nov 3, 2014 22:29:31 GMT
So the Doctor can be any man of any age and personality and that's fine, but the second he has a vagina it's buggering up the dynamic? I don't follow that. The dynamic of the show shifts constantly as it is. As long as it's done for the right actor, and not as some act of tokenism, a female Doctor could be a really interesting direction for the show to take. Absolutely. And so far at least I prefer Gomez's portrayal of the role that of John Simm. True, Gomez does give off more of that Delgado/Ainley stylishly sinister vibe.
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Post by cigarman on Nov 4, 2014 3:27:13 GMT
Agreed. The day The Doctor switches genders is the day I quit watching. "It's about time" for what, exactly. Buggering up the entire dynamic of the show?!? So the Doctor can be any man of any age and personality and that's fine, but the second he has a vagina it's buggering up the dynamic? I don't follow that. The dynamic of the show shifts constantly as it is. As long as it's done for the right actor, and not as some act of tokenism, a female Doctor could be a really interesting direction for the show to take. Not according to the 5 female co workers I spoke to today, all of whom happen to be long term Doctor Who fans. The whole idea of a female Doctor, according to them, would ruin the show. This is not me talking. This is according to 5 female fans. They even hate the idea of The Mistress/Master. The whole concept of gender switching Timelords started as a parody, not canon. Moffit foolishly ran with it. This whole thing reminds me of all the mundanes who think zombies moan "Brains". That garbage started with the parody film Return of the Living Dead. It was pure parody, not meant to be taken seriously. Now the ignorant masses think this is canon. This is sad. So is the idea of switching a Timelord's gender.
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Post by Catsmate on Nov 4, 2014 11:17:07 GMT
So the Doctor can be any man of any age and personality and that's fine, but the second he has a vagina it's buggering up the dynamic? I don't follow that. The dynamic of the show shifts constantly as it is. As long as it's done for the right actor, and not as some act of tokenism, a female Doctor could be a really interesting direction for the show to take. Not according to the 5 female co workers I spoke to today, all of whom happen to be long term Doctor Who fans. The whole idea of a female Doctor, according to them, would ruin the show. This is not me talking. This is according to 5 female fans. They even hate the idea of The Mistress/Master. The whole concept of gender switching Timelords started as a parody, not canon. Moffit foolishly ran with it. This whole thing reminds me of all the mundanes who think zombies moan "Brains". That garbage started with the parody film Return of the Living Dead. It was pure parody, not meant to be taken seriously. Now the ignorant masses think this is canon. This is sad. So is the idea of switching a Timelord's gender. Why? The idea that Time Lords could switch gender on regenerating was explicitly canonicised in The Doctor's Wife.
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Post by Escher on Nov 4, 2014 15:39:59 GMT
Missy was a total surprise. I'd read elsewhere that Charles Dance was supposedly cast as the Master so I guess this was a Red Herring or total BS. It didn't help that the voice of Gus in the 'Mummy on the Orient Express' episode voiced by John Sessions, sounded like John Sessions impersonating Charles Dance.
I really expected Danny Pink to have a Fob Watch and to see a regeneration into Dance. I'd put Missy down as some kind of extra-dimensional nemesis, an Eternal or somesuch exotic foe.
Looking forward to the climax and the alleged 'huge cliffhanger' promised at the season's end.
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Post by jay042 on Nov 4, 2014 17:37:46 GMT
So the Doctor can be any man of any age and personality and that's fine, but the second he has a vagina it's buggering up the dynamic? I don't follow that. The dynamic of the show shifts constantly as it is. As long as it's done for the right actor, and not as some act of tokenism, a female Doctor could be a really interesting direction for the show to take. Not according to the 5 female co workers I spoke to today, all of whom happen to be long term Doctor Who fans. The whole idea of a female Doctor, according to them, would ruin the show. This is not me talking. This is according to 5 female fans. They even hate the idea of The Mistress/Master. The whole concept of gender switching Timelords started as a parody, not canon. Moffit foolishly ran with it. This whole thing reminds me of all the mundanes who think zombies moan "Brains". That garbage started with the parody film Return of the Living Dead. It was pure parody, not meant to be taken seriously. Now the ignorant masses think this is canon. This is sad. So is the idea of switching a Timelord's gender. To be fair, there have been plenty of times in the history of the show they didn't take themselves that seriously.
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Post by cigarman on Nov 4, 2014 23:15:27 GMT
Not according to the 5 female co workers I spoke to today, all of whom happen to be long term Doctor Who fans. The whole idea of a female Doctor, according to them, would ruin the show. This is not me talking. This is according to 5 female fans. They even hate the idea of The Mistress/Master. The whole concept of gender switching Timelords started as a parody, not canon. Moffit foolishly ran with it. This whole thing reminds me of all the mundanes who think zombies moan "Brains". That garbage started with the parody film Return of the Living Dead. It was pure parody, not meant to be taken seriously. Now the ignorant masses think this is canon. This is sad. So is the idea of switching a Timelord's gender. Why? The idea that Time Lords could switch gender on regenerating was explicitly canonicised in The Doctor's Wife. Which I believe came out AFTER The Curse of the Fatal Death parody. Parody should never become canon.
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Post by thereviewer on Nov 5, 2014 0:42:18 GMT
It never was canon. Unless you mean that one joke which would be pretty a pretty big stretch (okay, I know it's Moffat, but even he would probably say that was going too far.)
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Post by thereviewer on Nov 5, 2014 0:45:01 GMT
Also, anyone read this book here: tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Harvest_of_Time_(novel)Personally, I'd like to read it now, but it actually say it involves The Third Doctor getting a brief glimpse at possible future versions of The Master which include both "a politican" and an unknown female incarnation. And it wasn't written by Moffat, AND came out WAY before Season 8 Plans were announced. So yeah. It seems if there was anyone to blame for this idea except this guy.
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