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Post by iluvatar on Sept 24, 2013 0:50:59 GMT
If a cyborg Timelord regenerates, what happens to the non-biological body parts? From a mechanics (no pun intended) point of view, I think the cyborg bits would stick around. From a lore point of view, it could go either way. What do you guys think?
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Post by Escher on Sept 24, 2013 8:35:42 GMT
If a cyborg Timelord regenerates, what happens to the non-biological body parts? From a mechanics (no pun intended) point of view, I think the cyborg bits would stick around. From a lore point of view, it could go either way. What do you guys think? Since the mechanical parts are foreign bodies and not inherently part of the Time Lord, my guess is that they would be vaporised during the regeneration process or just be expelled and fall away. |
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Post by Marnal on Sept 24, 2013 15:34:18 GMT
Actually the 1996 TV Movie shows the 7th Doctor regenerates with a long probe stuck in his heart and the probe is still stuck in his chest when he finishes regenerating [and he has to physically pull it out]. So if the object is mounted on the outside of the Gallifreyan it will probably be ejected and fall off. If its imbedded inside is will be sealed inside [though the implication is that the probe is no longer sticking INTO his heart]
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Post by chickenpaddy on Sept 24, 2013 18:59:33 GMT
If its imbedded inside is will be sealed inside [though the implication is that the probe is no longer sticking INTO his heart] Well, if you include the new series regeneration mythology, any injuries sustained during the first 16 hours after full bodily regeneration are healed by lingering regenerative energies. It is also often established that regeneration doesn't end when the body (explosively) transforms into its new incarnation, but continues throughout the body. The Time Lord is "still cooking", so to speak. So, it's entirely possible that the probe was sticking into Eight's heart, and he physically pulled it out, only to have the wound immediately seal back up, which I think adds to the creep factor. On the subjects of cybernetics, let's keep in mind that regeneration takes abstract factors into account. For example, when Eccleston regenerated into Tennant, not only did his body heal, but he grew a pair of perfectly shaped sideburns, and I believe his hair became gelled. It has been stated that Time Lords can shape and tailor their regenerations, or "focus on a dress size". If the Time Lord so wished, he could focus and keep his cybernetics integrated during regeneration. As a GM, you could raise the Difficulty if you so wished, or make a low Success have to consequence of loosing all foreign bodies, including cybernetic parts, your choice of course. In the end, regeneration is a strange and abstract process that you could do a lot with and explain away many factors however you wish. Just my opinion. |
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Post by misterharry on Sept 24, 2013 19:43:32 GMT
It has been stated that Time Lords can shape and tailor their regenerations, or "focus on a dress size". If the Time Lord so wished, he could focus and keep his cybernetics integrated during regeneration. As a GM, you could raise the Difficulty if you so wished, or make a low Success have to consequence of loosing all foreign bodies, including cybernetic parts, your choice of course. I'd suggest that you need the Tailored Regeneration trait from The Time Traveller's Companion to have a chance of being able to pick and choose like this. Otherwise the GM should rule yes or no to retaining cybernetics, depending on what they are. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2013 21:00:29 GMT
Actually the 1996 TV Movie shows the 7th Doctor regenerates with a long probe stuck in his heart and the probe is still stuck in his chest when he finishes regenerating [and he has to physically pull it out]. So if the object is mounted on the outside of the Gallifreyan it will probably be ejected and fall off. If its imbedded inside is will be sealed inside [though the implication is that the probe is no longer sticking INTO his heart] This opens up many problems. Consider a Time Lord being riddled with bullets or shrapnel that are buried deep within his organs and muscles before regenerating or, a cyber-virus of nanogenes coursing through his veins. If they are all still there after a new regeneration it kind of makes regenerating pointless. |
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Post by cigarman on Sept 24, 2013 23:25:50 GMT
Actually the 1996 TV Movie shows the 7th Doctor regenerates with a long probe stuck in his heart and the probe is still stuck in his chest when he finishes regenerating [and he has to physically pull it out]. So if the object is mounted on the outside of the Gallifreyan it will probably be ejected and fall off. If its imbedded inside is will be sealed inside [though the implication is that the probe is no longer sticking INTO his heart] This opens up many problems. Consider a Time Lord being riddled with bullets or shrapnel that are buried deep within his organs and muscles before regenerating or, a cyber-virus of nanogenes coursing through his veins. If they are all still there after a new regeneration it kind of makes regenerating pointless. Personally, I wouldn't take anything from the 1996 TV movie seriously. It was Americanized crap. "Half human" my ass.  As a GM, I'd rule that the cybernetics burn off as the regeneration replaces whatever body part the cybernetics were replacing. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2013 12:35:32 GMT
Also bear in mind that even if you follow the TV movie verbatim, that particular regeneration was flawed, as the doctor points out that the drugs almost destroyed the regenerative process. This gives a lot of leeway to speculate.
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Post by cigarman on Sept 25, 2013 22:30:17 GMT
The Fox TV movie was Americanized "Hollywood" trash a best ignored/forgotten.
I'm glad they never turned it into a series.
I shudder to think what the state of the Doctor Who franchise would be right now if they had produced a series from it.
My best guess, it would have been the death knell.
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Post by chickenpaddy on Sept 25, 2013 23:30:41 GMT
I would like to point out that this is the cyborg timelord regeneration thread, not the Doctor Who TV Movie was awful thread.
You can hate it all you want, but the TV movie is implied to be cannonical. And, as with all things Doctor Who, the TV movie can be a resource to take or leave whatever you want.
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Post by Marnal on Sept 26, 2013 2:40:18 GMT
Apologies, I just assumed that iluvatar would prefer an answer to his question that had been licensed by the BBC in addition to all the ‘In my opinion’ speculation that was being posted.
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Post by chickenpaddy on Sept 26, 2013 4:16:44 GMT
Apologies, I just assumed that iluvatar would prefer an answer to his question that had been licensed by the BBC in addition to all the ‘In my opinion’ speculation that was being posted. What? Oh, I thought your idea was fine and made sense given the nature of regeneration. It would make sense that the process would expel all foreign bodies to make way for the new physiology. Especially given the new explosive effects regeneration has. |
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