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Post by Siskoid on Jan 31, 2013 14:45:44 GMT
Being a master list of extracanonical material featuring the 8th Doctor in need of RPG conversion for the WhoRPG Extracanonical Sourcebook Project. Splitting the massive amount of material chronologically, and assuming the audio adventures came before the novels, this first list covers the extracanonical stories that would fit the audio era. dwaitas.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=xtrauni&action=display&thread=2073EIGHT DOCTOR ADVENTURES (AUDIOS)The Company of Friends Storm Warning Sword of Orion The Stones of Venice Minuet in Hell Invaders from Mars The Chimes of Midnight Living Legend Seasons of Fear Embrace the Darkness The Time of the Daleks Neverland Zagreus Scherzo The Creed of Kromon Natural History of Fear The Twilight Kingdom Faith Stealer The Last Caerdroia The Next Life Terror Firma Scaredy Cat Other Lives Time Works Something Inside Memory Lane Absolution The Girl Who Never Was The End of the Beginning CHARLOTTE POLLARD – The Further Adventuress (Audios)The Mummy Speaks! Eclipse The Slaying of the Writhing Mass Heart of Orion EIGHT DOCTOR NEW ADVENTURES (AUDIOS)Blood of the Daleks Horror of Glam Rock Immortal Beloved Phobos No More Lies Human Resources Dead London Max Warp Brave New Town The Skull of Sobek Grand Theft Cosmos The Zygon Who Fell to Earth Sisters of the Flame / The Vengeance of Morbius Orbis Hothouse The Beast of Orlok Wirrn Dawn The Scapegoat The Cannibalists The Eight Truths / Worldwide Web Death in Blackpool An Earthly Child The Four Doctors Situation Vacant Nevermore The Book of Kells Deimos / The Resurrection of Mars Relative Dimensions Prisoner of the Sun Lucie Miller / To the Death The Further Adventures of LUCIE MILLER (Audios)The Dalek Trap The Revolution Game The House on the Edge of Chaos Island of the Fendahl EIGHTH DOCTOR BOXED SETS (Audios)Dark Eyes: 1. The Great War 2. Fugitives 3. Tangled Web 4. ‘X’ and the Daleks Dark Eyes 2: 1. The Traitor 2. The White Room 3. Time’s Horizon 4. Eyes of the Master Dark Eyes 3: 1. The Death of Hope 2. The Reviled 3. Masterplan 4. Rule of the Eminence Dark Eyes 4: 1. A Life in the Day 2. The Monster of Montmartre 3. Master of the Daleks 4. Eye of Darkness Doom Coalition 1: 1. The Eleven 2. The Red Lady 3. The Galileo Trap 4. The Satanic Mill Doom Coalition 2: 1. Beachhead 2. Scenes From Her Life 3. The Gift 4. The Sonomancer Doom Coalition 3: 1. Absent Friends 2. The Eighth Piece 3. The Doomsday Chronometer 4. The Crucible of Souls Doom Coalition 4: 1. Ship in a Bottle 2. Songs of Love 3. The Side of the Angels 4. Stop the Clock Ravenous 1: 1. Their Finest Hour 2. How to Make a Killing in Time Travel 3. World of Damnation 4. Sweet Salvation Ravenous 2: 1. Escape from Kaldor 2. Better Watch Out 3. Fairytale of Salzburg 4. Seizure Ravenous 3: 1. Deeptime Frontier 2. Companion Piece 3. L.E.G.E.N.D. 4. The Odds Against Ravenous 4: 1. Whisper 2. Planet of Dust 3. Day of the Master Stranded 1: 1. Lost Property 2. Wild Animals 3. Must-See TV 4. Divine Intervention Stranded 2: 1. Dead Time 2. UNIT Dating 3. Baker Street Irregulars 4. The Long Way Round Stranded 3: 1. Patience 2. Twisted Folklore 3. Snow 4. What Just Happened? Stranded 4: 1. Crossed Lines 2. Get Andy 3. The Keys of Baker Street 4. Best Year Ever What Lies Inside?: 1. Paradox of the Daleks 2. The Dalby Spook Connections: 1. Here Lies Drax 2. The Love Vampires 3. Albie’s Angels COMPANION CHRONICLES (AUDIOS)Solitaire DESTINY OF THE DOCTORS (Audios)Enemy Aliens CLASSIC DOCTORS, NEW MONSTERS (Audios)Together in Eclectic Dreams If I Should Die Before I Wake TIME LORD VICTORIOUS (Audios)He Kills Me, He Kills Me Not The Enemy of My Enemy Mutually Assured Destruction Echoes of Extinction MISC. BIG FINISHLiving Legend An Earthly Child The Truth of Peladon TIME LORD VICTORIOUS (BBC Novels)The Knight, the Fool and the Dead All Flesh is Grass EARTH AND BEYOND (AUDIOBOOK)Bounty OPTIONAL: COMICS, SHORT STORIES, MISC.Comics: A great site that discusses the Doctor Who comics: www.alteredvistas.co.uk/html/eighth_doctor.htmlShort Trips (Model Train Set) More Short Trips (Totem) Big Finish's Short Trips stories Material from the Doctor Who Annuals Did I forget anything? What concepts should be pulled from these? Anything you personally want to try your hand at?
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Post by misterharry on Jan 31, 2013 20:16:51 GMT
These are the write-ups I already have for this section:
Mary Shelley, first appeared in The Company of Friends Charlie Pollard, first appeared in Storm Warning C’rizz, first appeared in The Creed of the Kromon Lucie Miller, first appeared in Blood of the Daleks Tamsin Drew, first appeared in Situation Vacant Susan Campbell, the adult Susan Foreman, reintroduced in An Earthly Child Alex Campbell, the Doctor's great-grandson, first appeared in An Earthly Child Vortisaurs, first appeared in Storm Warning Orion Androids, first appeared in Sword of Orion The Headhunter, first appeared in Blood of the Daleks (cameo anyway - she didn't have a major role until Human Resources) Sobek Crocs, from The Skull of Sobek The Monk, the Graeme Garden incarnation who first appeared in... well it's a spoiler for the story in question Fey Truscott-Sade/Feyde, from the DWM strips, first appeared in Tooth and Claw Kroton the Cyberman, became a companion in The Company of Thieves The future Cybermen from the DWM strip The Flood Ssard and Stacy Townsend, both from the Radio Times comic strips
EDIT: Forgot to mention that I included Maxwell Edison in my post in the 5th Doctor thread, as he met that incarnation several times.
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Post by Craig Oxbrow on Feb 1, 2013 2:42:31 GMT
Izzy and Destrii - linked here because of Izzy's audio appearance in The Company Of Friends.
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Post by Curufea on Feb 8, 2013 3:41:41 GMT
Izzy was voiced to perfection by the Hex/Lost in Austen actress, Jemima Rooper
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Post by stahlman on Feb 9, 2013 7:13:46 GMT
The Tardis is an important character in Zagreus. The idea of Zagreus who effectively was subsumed in the 8th Doctor is quite fun. I would quite like to have a go at both: an abstracted Zagreus as generated by the early time lord myths and the Tardis persona as in this story. What do you think
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Post by misterharry on Feb 9, 2013 13:22:45 GMT
These are excellent suggestions for Zagreus, so I'd say yes to this.
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Post by Siskoid on Feb 9, 2013 13:32:23 GMT
Completely agree on all accounts. I won't forget you when I update the master list with suggestions.
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Post by agathon on Feb 4, 2014 8:38:15 GMT
What is the status on this sourcebook if I may ask?
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Post by Siskoid on Feb 4, 2014 22:13:34 GMT
We're doing them in order, and we're completing the 2nd Doctor's now. So a ways yet.
(Even if the project suddenly accelerated to light speed, we wouldn't start work on an expanded sourcebook before the actual sourcebook came out.)
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Post by Rel Fexive on Feb 4, 2014 23:41:22 GMT
I think you need to add the award-winning Dark Eyes to the list... which means adding Molly O'Sullivan to the list of companions too
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Post by Polar Bear on Feb 5, 2014 2:46:01 GMT
What's scary is that you've been doing the easy ones. It really gets hard with Doctors Five and up!!
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Post by misterharry on Feb 5, 2014 8:43:26 GMT
What's scary is that you've been doing the easy ones. It really gets hard with Doctors Five and up!! The 5th Doctor? Easy-peasy! It's the 7th and 8th Doctors I'm worried about!
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Post by misterharry on Feb 5, 2014 9:01:52 GMT
I think you need to add the award-winning Dark Eyes to the list... which means adding Molly O'Sullivan to the list of companions too And by the end of this year, we'll also have Dark Eyes 2 and 3, with 4 following early next year! I feel a quote from Ghost Light coming on: " No sooner had I finished than it all started changing. New species, new sub-species, evolution running amok. I had to start amending my entries. Oh, the task is endless!"
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Post by Siskoid on Feb 5, 2014 22:31:46 GMT
Definitely, we're doing Light's work.
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Post by Rel Fexive on Feb 5, 2014 23:12:22 GMT
I think you need to add the award-winning Dark Eyes to the list... which means adding Molly O'Sullivan to the list of companions too And by the end of this year, we'll also have Dark Eyes 2 and 3, with 4 following early next year! I feel a quote from Ghost Light coming on: " No sooner had I finished than it all started changing. New species, new sub-species, evolution running amok. I had to start amending my entries. Oh, the task is endless!" Definitely looking forward to those!
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Post by jennysfan on Jun 15, 2014 7:35:47 GMT
...I feel kind of bad...I've been using this list as a checklist... Still this one part of the project I don't expect to be started for at least a year.
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Post by Siskoid on Jun 15, 2014 22:11:37 GMT
Then I'll make sure to find time and update the "checklist"!
Least I can do.
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Post by jennysfan on Jun 16, 2014 4:14:30 GMT
Thank you very much! But don't worry too much. I'm still in the Charlie Pollard era. Just got to part 2 of Neverland.
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Post by taikowolf on Jan 10, 2015 18:37:55 GMT
Would the McQueen incarnation of the Master appear here, or in the Seventh Doctor's book (which I'm not sure); on the one hand, he first meets the Seventh in (spoiler), while he has many more regular encounters with the Eighth from "Dark Eyes 2" onwards (admittedly, five stories is hardly "regular", but it's more than the one in the other). It'd implied he's an incarnation from beyond the Robert's movie Master, so that might have something to do with it.
Also, would we have two versions of Sally Armstrong? In "Dark Eyes" she was a prospective companion gunned down by Daleks; in "Dark Eyes 2" and "Dark Eyes 3", she's an ally of the Master and has different equipment (a TCE for a start). Or would we have an addendum of some kind for her, like what River Song has, allowing players to swap between the two versions of Sally by way of Story Point differences regarding the TCE (River can reduce her Story Points to allow her to have the upgraded Sonic Screwdriver or the Vortex Manipulator). I'm also not sure if she would get the Vortex trait or not, given "Eyes of the Master"; she seems adept enough with a TARDIS, but that may just be the result of training (and sadly said skills don't appear in "Dark Eyes 3").
Also also, how would we account for Randal Verand in Liv Chenka's head? Though he could assume possession of her, he hasn't appeared since "Time's Horizon", and was only given a couple of brief mentions since then.
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Post by misterharry on Jan 10, 2015 19:42:05 GMT
Would the McQueen incarnation of the Master appear here, or in the Seventh Doctor's book (which I'm not sure); on the one hand, he first meets the Seventh in (spoiler), while he has many more regular encounters with the Eighth from "Dark Eyes 2" onwards (admittedly, five stories is hardly "regular", but it's more than the one in the other). It'd implied he's an incarnation from beyond the Robert's movie Master, so that might have something to do with it. Again, it's ultimately Siskoid's decision, but I'd suggest this version of the Master is left until the 8th Doctor audio volume. After all, he's a major spoiler for the 7th Doctor audios, we learn more about his character in the Dark Eyes series and it would make sense to include him in the same book as Sally Armstrong. About whom... In terms of stats, I doubt there's much difference between the two versions. So if I write this one, I'd probably do one set of stats for the original Sally with a note on changes for the later version. I'd have to listen to the story again, but I thought Randal Verand had been dealt with by the end of Time's Horizon, so there's no lasting effect. Would need to check though.
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Post by taikowolf on Jan 10, 2015 21:38:56 GMT
I apologize misterharry; I have been eager about Big Finish characters, and ones from other continuities, being involved in the Doctor Who RPG, and when I was told about this effort, it got me very excited and I wanted to know more about the mechanics of such things. The questions I've been posting have been more about speculation than asking for answers direct from people involved, but I suppose I should have made my questions more conducive to that. I do appreciate your answering my questions and giving your own opinions on the matters I bring up. Is there a better fitting thread that I should be at?
In terms of Randal Verand, he's not so much dealt with as much as spooked into submission - Liv simply reveals her medical condition to him and he retreats into her mind, and doesn't show up again. "Eyes of the Master" has Liv mention Randal being in her head and the Master later asks her "He's not still in there is he?". I was hoping "Dark Eyes 3" would grant some resolution for that, but in the one time that it seemed like we would get it...well, we got something very different instead. Poor Sally...
Speaking of Sally, that's a fair assessment. Perhaps like the two versions of K-9, there'd be a very slight point difference between them, but otherwise they're effectively the same person, one just being more ruthless than the other. Nothing that would really change how they play, save for the TCE allowing the later Sally to blast her way out of negotiations.
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Post by misterharry on Jan 10, 2015 21:55:03 GMT
Hey, no need to apologise at all! It's good that you're excited about this project - it's something I've been excited about since it was kicked off. Keep asking whatever questions you want. At the moment, the 3rd Doctor book is being worked on, so some of these volumes are a fair way into the future and some of my answers are therefore a bit speculative. But I think we've got a fair ides of the general shape of the books by now.
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Post by misterharry on Jan 10, 2015 22:06:48 GMT
In terms of Randal Verand, he's not so much dealt with as much as spooked into submission - Liv simply reveals her medical condition to him and he retreats into her mind, and doesn't show up again. "Eyes of the Master" has Liv mention Randal being in her head and the Master later asks her "He's not still in there is he?". I was hoping "Dark Eyes 3" would grant some resolution for that, but in the one time that it seemed like we would get it...well, we got something very different instead. Poor Sally... Maybe we'll need a separate entry for Randal in his own right then. I'd like Liv's stats to be without him being in her mind, as that's how she was when she first met the Doctor - it's not a permanent condition for her that she's had all her life. But having stats for Randal would allow GMs to use him with Liv - or with any other character if they want to apply him to their own campaign. Just my view though.
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Post by taikowolf on Jan 11, 2015 1:28:28 GMT
Technically, there are two entities for Randal Verand to keep in mind. One is the mental entity in Liv's head, the other is...well, he's on the cover, and not in a good state. The mental entity is a copy of his mind, while the physical version was meant to alter the ship that Liv was on, but suffice to say, things went wrong. His corpse is reanimated by the Eminence, but unless someone's replaying that instance, I'm not sure how viable having stats for that would be.
The remains of his time travel tech, though, may be useful.
If we're including Izzy in this list, should we also list Tom Baker for his art in the Eighth Doctor comic "TV Action!", where Beep the Meep interrupts an interview with Tom Baker as the Doctor? ;D
I'm mostly joking with this, mind.
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Post by misterharry on Jan 11, 2015 11:18:54 GMT
Technically, there are two entities for Randal Verand to keep in mind. One is the mental entity in Liv's head, the other is...well, he's on the cover, and not in a good state. The mental entity is a copy of his mind, while the physical version was meant to alter the ship that Liv was on, but suffice to say, things went wrong. His corpse is reanimated by the Eminence, but unless someone's replaying that instance, I'm not sure how viable having stats for that would be. The remains of his time travel tech, though, may be useful. I think the physical entity will be covered by the stats for the Eminence's Infinite Warriors, which will appear in one of the books, I'm sure. Is there anything that makes this one particularly distinctive? You may be joking, but I'm very tempted to submit stats for Bill Hartnell when we get to the 6th Doctor sourcebook, from his appearance in the audio Pier Pressure.
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Post by taikowolf on Jan 11, 2015 20:53:49 GMT
Behold, Randal Verand, in the decayed flesh: www.thetimewarriors.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Times-Horizon-cover.jpgConsidering how he differs from how the Infinite Warriors are usually described (grey cracked skin, glowing orange eyes), I'd say that he'd have a slightly higher level of Fear Factor, simply for...well, he's a walking corpse! I'll need to recheck the audio to see if he could speak in this state though. He doesn't seem to be any less or more durable than the others are though. Speaking of, would the Finite Warriors make an appearance, along with the Eye Spies as a gadget?
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Post by misterharry on Jan 11, 2015 21:17:13 GMT
Behold, Randal Verand, in the decayed flesh: www.thetimewarriors.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Times-Horizon-cover.jpgConsidering how he differs from how the Infinite Warriors are usually described (grey cracked skin, glowing orange eyes), I'd say that he'd have a slightly higher level of Fear Factor, simply for...well, he's a walking corpse! I'll need to recheck the audio to see if he could speak in this state though. He doesn't seem to be any less or more durable than the others are though. Probably lower Coordination and possibly Awareness too, as he's so dessicated. I'm struggling to remember much about the Finite Warriors - are they the Master's creations? - but I imagine they'll be included. As for the Eye Spies, I'd been thinking of them statted as the zombie-like slaves of the Master, rather than the implants.
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Post by taikowolf on Jan 11, 2015 22:52:44 GMT
I'm struggling to remember much about the Finite Warriors - are they the Master's creations? - but I imagine they'll be included. As for the Eye Spies, I'd been thinking of them statted as the zombie-like slaves of the Master, rather than the implants. The Finite Warriors were basically humans implanted with the synthetic eyeballs that the Master made, allowing him to see through their eyes (and achieve audio somehow), but with a few molecules of Eminence gas in the eyeballs. With an Eminence casket implanted in his TARDIS console, the Master was able to use its reactions to find people with high levels of retrogenitor particles in them. However, it was this same connection that allowed the Eminence to assertain some control over the humans, enough to make their eyes glow and their skin gray and cracked - the small amount of gas in them meant that it wasn't a full conversion, however. The Master managed to put these flareups down by compressing the gas within the Eminence casket, though when Molly and the Doctor came around, even that didn't work. The synthetic eyes gave perfect vision to those who had them, even the blind, but when the Master's TARDIS left that vision returned to how it was before (although the eyes were perfect replicas, so nobody realized a switch was made). In short, the Finite Warriors were humans implanted with synthetic eyes that originally made them Eye Spies, with some Eminence gas thrown in for monitoring and chaos. The Master hoped to use the knowledge he gained from this to make an army of Finite Warriors for himself, though the artificial eye aspect wasn't followed up on. The Finite Warriors in "Eyes of the Master", aside from being thralls to the Eminence (although not to the extent normal Infinite Warriors are, without a proper mental connection to it) also had a low level of awareness when their target wasn't nearby, though they seemed to be destructive, breaking a shop window (I think) and damaging the Doctor's volkswagen window. Stating them as zombie-like slaves would be good, although they'd be so to the Eminence moreso than the Master. In "Dark Eyes 3", he did devise a way to sway Infinite Warriors to his own control, but it was a pre-emptive measure (that is, he had to have treated the humans before they breathed in the Breath of Forever).
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Post by stahlman on Feb 8, 2015 9:38:18 GMT
Sorry all-really behind on various bits but will have a crack at Zagreus
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Post by Siskoid on Feb 9, 2015 13:32:50 GMT
Doc8 books are still some ways ahead, but if you can submit well ahead of time, it's no problem.
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