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Post by Craig Oxbrow on Dec 25, 2010 20:43:12 GMT
All a bit steampunk, innit?
Rory got his name in the credits!
SHARK!
Ahhh, double meaning, clever.
Peculiar. Bit convoluted. But fun.
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And the new series trailer...
Nazis!
A green Ood?!
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Post by Eryx on Dec 25, 2010 20:44:56 GMT
It was enjoyable but not as good as prior years. There is so much weirdness in Who these days that I kinda long for the old days where at least the setting and stories were more conventional.
But I did love the look of the trailer. Can't wait.
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Post by Rel Fexive on Dec 26, 2010 0:44:02 GMT
Loved that. Clever use of time travel; sad and funny.
I need to watch the trailer again, since it got blocked and talked overfirst time.
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Post by jeffrywith1e on Dec 26, 2010 4:04:35 GMT
There is so much weirdness in Who these days Yeah, Doctor 11 comes with some weird stuff. They've seemed to trade in the weird for some of the emotion that came with 10. I like the weird.
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Post by rev503 on Dec 26, 2010 7:02:24 GMT
Glad there was a shark in the episode because I think they jumped it. As usual excellent production values, acting, music, but the story was probably the one that made me think of the line "I'll have to have a think of a new name becasue after this I won't be the Doctor"
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Post by Kit on Dec 26, 2010 10:02:43 GMT
I need to watch it again, but I liked it. I also loved the trailer for next season.
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Post by Carreaux on Dec 26, 2010 13:27:07 GMT
It was the first Christmas special that would only work set at Christmas, and also the first that wasn't a great let down. If it had any notable failings, it was that it had too much plot for an hour -- an eighty or ninety minute duration would have worked better -- and that Amy and Rory were so sidelined. We enjoyed it a great deal.
As for "After this I won't be the Doctor," I would suggest that, with the Time Lords no longer watching for time tinkering, he's taking more risks with the timeline, something that's been touched upon already in the series. In any case, bringing down Harriet Jones' government wrecked subsequent history and he did that out of a fit of pique, as opposed to changing one man's world view to save 4003 lives, so I'm unsure under what criteria a shark is jumped. Personally, I think it all went downhill after the "An Unearthly Child" pilot myself.
Humbugishly, JLH
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Post by Eryx on Dec 26, 2010 15:04:51 GMT
Glad there was a shark in the episode because I think they jumped it. I don't think they "jumped the shark" so much as need to get away from the weird science fantasy and back to science fiction.
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Post by Craig Oxbrow on Dec 26, 2010 18:59:06 GMT
Don't hold your breath on that one...
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Post by Curufea on Dec 27, 2010 7:42:53 GMT
It was enjoyable but not as good as prior years. There is so much weirdness in Who these days that I kinda long for the old days where at least the setting and stories were more conventional. But I did love the look of the trailer. Can't wait. I disagree - I think it was better than Runaway Bride and Voyage of the Damned. Sadly most of the story was too telegraphed, but it was still enjoyable.
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Post by Kit on Dec 27, 2010 8:30:29 GMT
One thing i found interesting is that the Blinovitch Limitation Effect is no longer in effect
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Post by Rassilon on Dec 27, 2010 11:01:03 GMT
Thread merged with poll
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Post by Escher on Dec 27, 2010 11:13:36 GMT
One thing i found interesting is that the Blinovitch Limitation Effect is no longer in effect I think The Doc broke some major rules re-writing Sardic's past so I think he shorted it out or somesuch. Some of my group remarked on this so I made some notes for future games: 1. Time can be re-written with the Caveat that it is inherently dangerous and if you don't know what you are doing it can lead to cosmic catastrophe. Only time-aware beings can do this (Rose caused disaster in Father's Day- also the Doctor warned her not to touch her younger self too*.) 2. While it is being re-written centred around one individual, time is in flux and the Blinovitch Limitation Effect is shorted out for that specific person.3. After the re-write, time stabilizes and the effect returns. * I guess her 're-write' had stabilized by then
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Post by Eryx on Dec 27, 2010 12:16:08 GMT
2. While it is being re-written centred around one individual, time is in flux and the Blinovitch Limitation Effect is shorted out for that specific person. I thought about this and I wonder whether for the same reason that the machine didn't recognise Sardic because he wasn't the same person whether that's why the limitation effect didn't kick in either. As for Rose in Father's Day, adult Rose and baby Rose were still the same person.
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Post by Escher on Dec 27, 2010 15:40:50 GMT
I thought about this and I wonder whether for the same reason that the machine didn't recognise Sardic because he wasn't the same person whether that's why the limitation effect didn't kick in either. Good point -'Temporally' they were different.
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Post by Craig Oxbrow on Dec 28, 2010 7:22:38 GMT
Hey! I started this thread!
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Post by da professor on Dec 28, 2010 8:55:36 GMT
I liked how the psychic paper shorted out when the Doctor tried to use it to prove he was responsible. "Finally, too big a lie"
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Post by CharlieBananas on Dec 28, 2010 11:00:10 GMT
I really liked it, very fun even if the premise is too well known to have any real surprises. I did note that the Dr Who carol, tied into the last season, and I feel Moffat leaves nothing to chance (despite the way Confidential made it sound like they had just thrown it together) even if its just a red herring.
There is a lot of unresolved threads from last season but it looks like the time machine / TARDIS from "The Lodger" will make a re-appearance next season, looking forward to some answers and a look at Area 51.
When your alone silence is all you hear – Silence will fall! Mike
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Post by themyth on Dec 29, 2010 1:50:52 GMT
There is a lot of unresolved threads from last season but it looks like the time machine / TARDIS from "The Lodger" will make a re-appearance next season, looking forward to some answers and a look at Area 51. When your alone silence is all you hear – Silence will fall! Mike Has there been a thread on the forum with a list of all the dropped story seeds from series 5? If not, someone should start one!
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Post by da professor on Dec 29, 2010 7:54:58 GMT
Has there been a thread on the forum with a list of all the dropped story seeds from series 5? If not, someone should start one! You could do it.
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Post by Rel Fexive on Jan 2, 2011 23:40:44 GMT
So, watched it again. Definitely stands up to another viewing, no problem. I liked seeing the bits I missed first time around, like when Old Kazran's cravat-y thing changed to become a bow tie... And that final song is just glorious. I can't wait for the soundtrack just for that. And imagine the next Doctor Who Proms... maybe with the actual Katherine Jenkins on stage singing it? Wicked.
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Post by ugavine on Jan 13, 2011 10:13:08 GMT
Not my favourite episode of Doctor Who but I really enjoyed it. Shame there wasn't more of Amy. And I mean MORE of Amy (nudge, nudge, wink, wink). The messing around with Time stuff was fun. And flying shark at Christmas, fantastic!
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Post by Curufea on Jan 14, 2011 10:21:01 GMT
Disturbingly close to the Relative Dimensions radioplay of Big Finish - also a Christmas story featuring a flying fish.
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Post by thewarchief on Jan 14, 2011 19:20:12 GMT
I didn7t care much or this story. If the Doctor is willing and able to go back to Sarzan's childhood multiple times in order than the guy would grow up into a nicer person who would give the ship permission to land, he could much more eaily o back a hour, day or a week and prevent the situation from arising in the first place.
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Post by Eryx on Jan 14, 2011 20:13:13 GMT
I didn7t care much or this story. If the Doctor is willing and able to go back to Sarzan's childhood multiple times in order than the guy would grow up into a nicer person who would give the ship permission to land, he could much more eaily o back a hour, day or a week and prevent the situation from arising in the first place. Not to mention that staying relative to someone's timeline (The Doctor makes a point of saying that about Davros a few series' back). I get it that they wanted a cool fun story but there should be some continuity about such things.
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Post by thewarchief on Jan 14, 2011 20:26:26 GMT
Moffat seems to want to shake thing up with the whole "time can be rewritten thing". In the old days they made a point of not changing history. It was either very difficult or had bad unforseen consequences. Or both.
Getting ride of that opens the door for some difernt types of time travel stories, but also leaves the Doctor's reasoning open or debate. Why change this but not that, and so on. This seemed like a very frivious and slipshot solution.
Plus, I'm wondering about the 11th7s Doctor's preoccupation with children.
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Post by Rel Fexive on Jan 15, 2011 1:04:57 GMT
I think that in the early "what shall I do?" stage he got so caught up in the "it's a Christmas Carol" thing that he just got a mite fixated and stuck with it.
As for not changing things in the old series I think there are three (amongst our many...) answers: a) back then they didn't want to write anything too complicated, so they didn't; b) Time Lords can tell fixed points in time from those in flux and so know when to act and when not, and so previous instances have possibly been more about fixed historical points hence the no changing; and c) back then there were other Time Lords to cry shenanigans and prevent him from such messing around.
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Post by thewarchief on Jan 16, 2011 4:02:26 GMT
As for not changing things in the old series I think there are three (amongst our many...) answers: a) back then they didn't want to write anything too complicated, so they didn't; b) Time Lords can tell fixed points in time from those in flux and so know when to act and when not, and so previous instances have possibly been more about fixed historical points hence the no changing; and c) back then there were other Time Lords to cry shenanigans and prevent him from such messing around. Waters of Mars wasn't that long ago. Looks like Moffat wants to undo some things Davies did.
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Post by Rel Fexive on Jan 16, 2011 14:30:36 GMT
Maybe so, but I was thinking of much further back than that. Besides, the "Time Lord Victorious" thing is a special case.
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Post by thewarchief on Jan 16, 2011 20:11:35 GMT
Maybe so, but I was thinking of much further back than that. Besides, the "Time Lord Victorious" thing is a special case. Well the Christmas Special is a one off. One of the nice things about Doctor WHo is that things can vary greatly from one story to the next. So if one story doesn't appeal to you the next one might. I'm just a little worried about the possibility of the production crew do a major or entire rewrite of the show using "Time may be Rewitten". Reimagining Sci Fi series seems to be in vogue, and sadly it would be very easy to do this to Doctor Who.
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